Lost half a grand at the casino today (Poker brahs, need some advice)

[Joshyybaxx]

variance can be a bitch sometimes, that's why you never put your whole bankroll on the table... There's no sure things with poker, two pair is nice, but if the table has options of straights and other bull****, when he called your big bet did you think twice about the situation you're in or just go stupid and follow him into it after he pushed?

If it were me (and it's easy to talk **** in hindsight) but I play really really TAG...I would have pushed all in after the flop and you hit your 2 pair, it's not the nuts and you might have him run away but you get to play on another hand, you had your warning on after the flop that he was chasing/had something.

If you had of pushed all in after the flop and he chased on that the guys got more money than you and he can take those risks and it goes back to the first line, variance is a bitch. I get worried when I push with AA, I'll smash it on straights/flushes etc all day but I hate hate hate pocket pairs until I see the flop.

[BDub85]

Welcome to the game of luck. I will not get tired to repeat that poker is %80> luck, <20% skill. Was playing at PokerStars awhile ago. Opponent goes All-IN on pre flop, I call. His/Her cards are a pair of tens, mine are Ace and a Queen suited. I get an Ace on the Turn, he gets a 10 on the River and thus wins with a three 10's. Went from +$1500 to out of the table in a heartbeat. Now did I make a mistake by calling him? Don't think so. I watch professional poker a lot, those guys raise with K+10 and just cross their fingers that the opponent does not have an Ace or that they will get Kings or a Straight on the next 5 cards. Once again, fully depending on luck. Or those "aggressive" players who raise big sum on pre-flop or a flop just to scare off the short stack, what are the chances that the short stack next to them does not have have a pair of Aces sitting there?

Erm, his TT makes it a slightly unfair coin flip for you, regardless of the flop, turn, or river. The game is about mathematical expectation and game theory more than luck, although it does play a small part in it. Learn to pay attention and you will see there is more skill than luck. The pros raise with KT because they are balancing their strategy. If you always raise with AK, AQ, AA, or KK, your range is very easy to read. Plus these guys are excellent at putting YOU on a range so they can gain equity by their ability to outplay you postflop. Also, your position at the table is very important.

Oh and chances the short stack has AA, 220:1

[hellmuth316]

You say you bet strong off the flop, well how much did you bet and what would his implied odds be if he called to make his str8. If you make the right bet and he makes a bad call(not getting the pot odds) and still wins, well there is nothing you can do about it, except keep playing the same way as you'll make money in the long run. Sometimes you also gotta just let a hand go too, if you think you've been sucked out on get out, it's probably the toughest thing to master in poker.

^best comment in the thread

[Joshyybaxx]

Welcome to the game of luck. I will not get tired to repeat that poker is %80> luck, <20% skill. Was playing at PokerStars awhile ago. Opponent goes All-IN on pre flop, I call. His/Her cards are a pair of tens, mine are Ace and a Queen suited. I get an Ace on the Turn, he gets a 10 on the River and thus wins with a three 10's. Went from +$1500 to out of the table in a heartbeat. Now did I make a mistake by calling him? Don't think so. I watch professional poker a lot, those guys raise with K+10 and just cross their fingers that the opponent does not have an Ace or that they will get Kings or a Straight on the next 5 cards. Once again, fully depending on luck. Or those "aggressive" players who raise big sum on pre-flop or a flop just to scare off the short stack, what are the chances that the short stack next to them does not have have a pair of Aces sitting there?

Online is a different world, but if you had information on them and their play style it'd alter the answer to if you should have done it or not, play the person not the cards, some guys have the $$ to take bull**** risks and they hit occasionally, I like playing post flop purely because of this. Feelsbadman

[hellmuth316]

should i have just bet even harder? i expected this guy chasing the straight to fold w/ a strong bet on the flop

my luck man.

bet the highest best that you think the guy would call. you shouldn't think too hard about a bad beat anyways, just focus on other hands that are worth analyzing.

[liftTENhard]

i never play poker in casinos feels fukin slow as fuk man

blackjack/craps FTW

[Kenetics]

Welcome to the game of luck. I will not get tired to repeat that poker is %80> luck, <20% skill. Was playing at PokerStars awhile ago. Opponent goes All-IN on pre flop, I call. His/Her cards are a pair of tens, mine are Ace and a Queen suited. I get an Ace on the Turn, he gets a 10 on the River and thus wins with a three 10's. Went from +$1500 to out of the table in a heartbeat. Now did I make a mistake by calling him? Don't think so. I watch professional poker a lot, those guys raise with K+10 and just cross their fingers that the opponent does not have an Ace or that they will get Kings or a Straight on the next 5 cards. Once again, fully depending on luck. Or those "aggressive" players who raise big sum on pre-flop or a flop just to scare off the short stack, what are the chances that the short stack next to them does not have have a pair of Aces sitting there?

Except the pro's who raise with K10, what position are they in? What is the size of their stack? How many people are left in the hand? These are all factors when playing poker, and fish don't understand any of these things.

Also pocket tens pro flop are a slightly better hand than Ace Queen suited.

[KilaByte]

A troll post that goes 3 pages?

[theobelisk]

Guys like OP. Are why i got into poker.. Man i wish guys like u still played online.

Seriously tho.. making this post on a body building forum shows how much of a fish you really are. You think u gonna find real poker players offering up solid advice in the MISC ? lol

2+2 son.

[ZidaneValor]

was playing 1-2 NL

I flop top two pair, start betting strong from the beginning

but he got a straight on the turn

beat my top two pair heads up,

he went all in, and I had to call him.

I had Q 10

flop was Q 10 and some other card

turn came King and river some other card

he had 9 J

something like that, can't recall exact detail

That's a pretty easy fold. You have a middle two-pair. He's not going all-in on that board with AK. It's either a bluff, or you're beat.

[onestep]

Pretty stupid thread

Going by what you commented on (& the lack of detail), you don't seem to know anything about poker

No mention of what cards you're dealt, & the fact you can't even recall a card (despite being irrelevant) on the flop
No mention of suits
No mention of bet sizes
No mention of opponent history
No mention of position

2 pair is alright, but against an all in, there's many hands that still have you crushed

For example, on the flop - trips
For example, on the turn - a K came out, meaning your top 2 ain't top 2 anymore. A real possibility your opponent had KQ...

Without detail, no-one can comment if you played it right or wrong; in any case, if you're going to moan about this basic hand, you should probably quit poker, as you will have many many more nasty hands if you've played long enough

[BDub85]

Guys like OP. Are why i got into poker.. Man i wish guys like u still played online.

Seriously tho.. making this post on a body building forum shows how much of a fish you really are. You think u gonna find real poker players offering up solid advice in the MISC ? lol

2+2 son.

Bro we all make 10k/day. High stakes poker is a hobby we all share. We are all solid pros here.

[skeavs]

was playing 1-2 NL

I flop top two pair, start betting strong from the beginning

but he got a straight on the turn

beat my top two pair heads up,

he went all in, and I had to call him.



Needless to say, I'm pissed, really pissed off.

Jusre be happy its $500 and not something like 7000 im down about 10,000 this year

[210RobinHood]

Local poker pros in Vegas casinos make tons of money on plays like these. I see it over and over again where somebody with a big stack takes a negative expectation call and hits a big hand thinking about implied odds alone. I'm not sure what type of player you are, but you should always keep people guessing with your play. He could've read you as somewhat passive-aggressive with him having a loose table imagine making implied odds go through the roof for flush and straight draws. Trick is to not only know. but also create your own table image and use it to your advantage. Also, another biggie is think to yourself what could the other player have that would cause them to go all-in for such a huge chunk of change. Would you go all-in or call an all-in on the river with only two pair? If your answer is no, there answer is probably also no which means you're beat.

All in all, there are soooo many factors to consider in any hand (position, number of callers, stakes, table image of you and others, bankrolls, alcohol, etc.) Live and learn, that's how you get better.

Used to be a part-time pro. Man I miss having time to play more.

Add-on: Also with top 2 pair you can always go all-in after the flop if you feel you opponent is on a draw. Even if he hits his draw on the turn, you can still get a full house 1 in 12 times on the river, but at least you got it all-in with the best odds.

[AhDo]

Welcome to the game of luck. I will not get tired to repeat that poker is %80> luck, <20% skill. Was playing at PokerStars awhile ago. Opponent goes All-IN on pre flop, I call. His/Her cards are a pair of tens, mine are Ace and a Queen suited. I get an Ace on the Turn, he gets a 10 on the River and thus wins with a three 10's. Went from +$1500 to out of the table in a heartbeat. Now did I make a mistake by calling him? Don't think so. I watch professional poker a lot, those guys raise with K+10 and just cross their fingers that the opponent does not have an Ace or that they will get Kings or a Straight on the next 5 cards. Once again, fully depending on luck. Or those "aggressive" players who raise big sum on pre-flop or a flop just to scare off the short stack, what are the chances that the short stack next to them does not have have a pair of Aces sitting there?

any pocket pair > AQ suited and since he went all pre flop there is a good chance he had a pocket pair bro. wrong move

[SoulProvider]

in after 2 purr is the nuts, always.

[G0S9G]

Shipping with two pair and a possible straight on the board? Dun Goofed OP. Unless you're short stacked or have a sick read it's a bad call no matter wut

[pvjumper05]

strong username to post content/OP feel ratio