Bad or good cutting diet?

[Dutchk1d]

Weighed in this morning at 216, 19 years old, 6'1


Breakfast: Oatmeal
OJ

Mid-morning: 1 cup low fat yogurt

Lunch: Medium Lean Chicken Breast
1 Cup Broccoli

Mid afternoon: Scoop Whey Protein

Dinner: Medium Lean Steak
Baked Potatoe


Calories: ~1800
Protein: ~185g
Fats: 59g
Carbs: 107 g


Edit; problem I ran into on earlier diet was I'd feel completely full after eating around this many calories (For a big guy, I can only force myself to eat so much)

[lactobacillus]

Sux. No micronutrient variety. Better get a multi-vit since you will be deficient in a lot of ****

I have a hard time believing that adds up to 272g protein also

[BigStyloglossus]

You would not want to exceed 2g/kg body mass/day protein, protein overconsumption breaks your kidneys.

Consuming large amount of carb with adequate amount of protein (1.2g to 1.7g/kg body mass) is best in helping repairing your muscles.

[WonderPug]

You would not want to exceed 2g/kg body mass/day protein, protein overconsumption breaks your kidneys.

That's utter nonsense.

High protein intake is only a problem for individuals with preexisting kidney disease. See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262767/

OP: Your total energy intake is too low as is your dietary fat intake. Your dietary protein intake is higher than it needs to be, but if that's your preference, it's fine. Micronutrient intake looks deficient.

I strongly urge you to read the stickies at the top of the nutrition subforum.

[Ptrulli]

What's your calorie Maintence level?

In terms of protein you should be taking in 1g per lb so in your case 216g.

[BigStyloglossus]

[QUOTE=WonderPug;983546683]That's utter nonsense.

From Sports Nutrition textbook 2nd edition by Jeukendrup (2010), page 192, review of DIFFERENT papers:

"The RDA of protein for general population is 0.8 to 1.2g/kgbw/day; the recommended protein intake for strength athletes is generally 1.6 to 1.7 g/kgbw/day, about twice the value for the general population. The recommended protein intake for endurance athletes is usually 1.2 to 1.8g/kgbw/day of protein, although in extreme situations the amount may rise to as much as 2.5 g/kgbw/day."

[WonderPug]

^ You're very confused. Please read my reply again.

[Dutchk1d]

Sux. No micronutrient variety. Better get a multi-vit since you will be deficient in a lot of ****

I have a hard time believing that adds up to 272g protein also

lol math may have been a bit dumb. last diet i was on had ~220. and at the moment, I've got a multi that I'm taking

edit: after redoing math, it added up to around 185, my bad

[BigStyloglossus]

Read as told. In the end it says: more evidence is needed to determine the relation between protein intake and renal function in normal individuals.

What are you trying to show me? To get the most up-to-date information, I recommend you to read the textbook. It's excellent!

[lactobacillus]

Read as told. In the end it says: more evidence is needed to determine the relation between protein intake and renal function in normal individuals.

What are you trying to show me? To get the most up-to-date information, I recommend you to read the textbook. It's excellent!

research moves faster than textbooks. by the time they're bound, they already start becoming outdated

[WonderPug]

Read as told. In the end it says: more evidence is needed to determine the relation between protein intake and renal function in normal individuals.

From which you extrapolate "protein overconsumption breaks your kidneys" and you set a number by stating "You would not want to exceed 2g/kg body mass/day protein"

This is clearly erroneous and not even vaguely supported by your claim that read it in a textbook.


To get an understand about research on the topic of appropriate protein intake for those engaging in resistance training, please see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2129150/

[BigStyloglossus]

research moves faster than textbooks. by the time they're bound, they already start becoming outdated

True but, look at those research papers date (2005) and the text published date (2010)...

Papers can claim various results and ideas based on one research. Texts summarize a broader research literature. Some scientists even tried to make money by making erroneous statements that would boost sales of particular supplements.

[BigStyloglossus]

^ I have taken a class on sports nutrition and I remember reading that number somewhere in the book (don't remember the page).

Let's say I made it up, wouldn't it still make sense if the recommendation for resistance athlete is 1.5 to 1.7g.

Let's forget about the numbers all together. High protein intake does pose health risks such as kidney stones, and that's what I meant by "breaks your kidneys".
High dietary protein adds work load to your kidneys, because body wants to eliminate that extra nitrogen from the breakdown of protein. This nitrogen is eliminated as urea.
Often, high protein intake is accompanied by high fat intake (if your source is meat), always think twice what you put into your body.
Search high protein intake risks and you will see by yourself.

[AlwaysTryin]

Often, high protein intake is accompanied by high fat intake (if your source is meat), always think twice what you put into your body.
Search high protein intake risks and you will see by yourself.

And?? What's wrong with fat

[BigStyloglossus]

And?? What's wrong with fat

Fat in meat mostly saturated fat and high in cholesterol = bad for health

[chameleonism]

Fat in meat mostly saturated fat and high in cholesterol = bad for health

I hope your knowledge of exercise science isn't as bad as your knowledge of nutrition.

[BigStyloglossus]

Okay tell me the truth then (srs)

[AlwaysTryin]

Okay tell me the truth then (srs)

Saturated fat is fine in most consumed amounts, new studies show that..

posted before

[/quote]...the body actually makes more cholesterol (in the liver) than most people would eat in a day. As well, the body tend to adapt to changing dietary cholesterol intakes. When you eat less dietary cholesterol, the body will make more; when you eat more, the body makes less.

And this is why a lot of the concern over dietary cholesterol per se is a bit misplaced; for most people the intake of dietary cholesterol has little to no impact on blood cholesterol in the first place. It’s worth mentioning that a certain percentage of people seem to be responders to dietary cholesterol intake in terms of how their blood cholesterol is affected however.

Rather, it is the intake of specific types of triglycerides that seems to have a far larger role on blood cholesterol levels; exercise also plays a role and there are strong genetic factors which determine blood cholesterol levels as well.[/quote]

[rolandszi]

Weighed in this morning at 216, 19 years old, 6'1


Breakfast: Oatmeal
OJ

Mid-morning: 1 cup low fat yogurt

Lunch: Medium Lean Chicken Breast
1 Cup Broccoli

Mid afternoon: Scoop Whey Protein

Dinner: Medium Lean Steak
Baked Potatoe


Calories: ~1800
Protein: ~185g
Fats: 59g
Carbs: 107 g


Edit; problem I ran into on earlier diet was I'd feel completely full after eating around this many calories (For a big guy, I can only force myself to eat so much)

eat full cream yogurt.

[gynogon]

You would not want to exceed 2g/kg body mass/day protein, protein overconsumption breaks your kidneys.

Consuming large amount of carb with adequate amount of protein (1.2g to 1.7g/kg body mass) is best in helping repairing your muscles.

ive also heard protein over consumption can turn into fat if youre eating more protein then youre muscles can absorb at any one time.

[BigStyloglossus]

True. In order of magnitude on the effect on blood cholesterol: Trans fat; saturated fat; dietary cholesterol.
Trans fat raises blood cholesterol fastest, followed by saturated, then cholesterol. Maybe cholesterol not a big concern.

Yes, too much protein than needed turn to fat or glucose (gluconeogenesis) since protein doesn't have a storage form in the body.