Im still amazed/confused by my ability to have less than 100g of PRO and come out ok

[AlwaysTryin]

Low protein... lol

A lot of girlie vegans on this forum lol

[PerpetualMotion]

Pictures are notoriously deceiving and commenting on your own progress through simply perception isn't a clear cut indicator of progress. If you didn't measure BF% before and after then saying you maintained or lost very little LBM is deceiving since you really don't know. Cutting makes anyone look better. Then there's always the elephant in the room: how do we know progress wouldn't have been better with a larger intake?

That aside, I think an increase in carbs and a smaller deficit can make for a pretty successful low-protein cut.

I'm also with AlwaysTryin. No idea how anyone gets 60g of protein. I eat 400g of chicken and that's 92 off the bat.

[AlwaysTryin]

I'm also with AlwaysTryin. No idea how anyone gets 60g of protein. I eat 400g of chicken and that's 92 off the bat.

That's because they don't. There was someone (might be OP or the guy with the pics) claiming "low protein intake". Turns out he was only considering "complete" proteins as protein and didn't count the other 40g+ from beans, oats, nuts etc so in reality he was close to 1g/lb lol



Notice how no one who says 60g a day lists their diet

[EjnarKolinkar]

A lot of girlie vegans on this forum lol

Poor vegans. I could not make it as a vegan. Lacto-ovo vegetarian no prob, long as I have milk, eggs, and leather boots.

[Striation]

That's because they don't. There was someone (might be OP or the guy with the pics) claiming "low protein intake". Turns out he was only considering "complete" proteins as protein and didn't count the other 40g+ from beans, oats, nuts etc so in reality he was close to 1g/lb lol



Notice how no one who says 60g a day lists their diet

11/22/12 total calories: 2118
Fat(g) Carbs(g) Prot(g)
79.28 293.78 68.03 2118



1 medium apple - 1 0.23 19.06 0.36 72
1 small Bananas - 1 0.33 23.07 1.10 90
330 g CHILI 69 1657 14.06 28.58 26.66 343
89 g Cookie 4 292 19.04 61.38 4.82 433
1 Cupcake with Icing 10 153 5.26 32.54 1.37 178
105 g Cupcake with Icing 22 335 11.51 71.19 2.99 388
146 g fried turkey 91 1168 26.28 22.92 20.44 413
8 oz Milk (Nonfat) 5 118 0.41 11.00 7.73 79
1 small Orange - - 0.12 11.28 0.90 45
6 SALTINES - 193 2.04 12.76 1.66 77



http://fatsecret.com/Diary.aspx?pa=mdcs&id=956760

[AlwaysTryin]

http://fatsecret.com/Diary.aspx?pa=mdcs&id=956760

Your protein is well above 60g, so no point saying 60g

Daily Average:** Exercise: 2845kcal * Food: 2887kcal (Fat: 114.13g, Protein: 91.24g, Carbs: 383.68g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 65429kcal * Food: 66412kcal (Fat: 2624.99g, Protein: 2098.57g, Carbs: 8824.72g)

[Striation]

Your protein is well above 60g, so no point saying 60g

Review post 20, I said 80-100. Op said 60 on most days but even he said his average was 80.

[AlwaysTryin]

Review post 20, I said 80-100. Op said 60 on most days but even he said his average was 80.

Review post 33, I said no one eats 60g really overall, you posted your daily planner in response

[wrestler271]

Nothing was ever wrong with eating 100g of protein max, even at a higher bodyweight, take the app in the iPhone called my fitness pal, no matter what your goal is, it would always be between 60-80 protein, now that being said, it's just more efficient to have 1g protein/bw..maybe just for more muscle preservation or so..but me weighing 170 and eating 100 protein is totally fine

[Naeem11]

For those who only consume in the 80-100g protein, I am curious. Did you grow up eating like that? I personally grew up eating my meat and rice at almost every meal....and honestly would not feel comfortable cutting out that much meat out of my meals....I consume about 160g-185g on a given day. Sometimes up to 200....but that's not because I think I really need it or not, it's because it's how I enjoy my day.

Do those of you who consume the 80-100 range, do you do it because it's comfortable, did you grow up like this? or do you do it because you think it's optimal to convert the remaining macros to carbs or fat? Just curious to know an exact reasoning to try and wrap my head around it.

Solid perspective would be appreciated.

[PerpetualMotion]

http://fatsecret.com/Diary.aspx?pa=mdcs&id=956760

I don't even. It's like looking at that a diet journal of a 8-year-old. I'd probably be clinically depressed with such little meat.

[wrestler271]

For those who only consume in the 80-100g protein, I am curious. Did you grow up eating like that? I personally grew up eating my meat and rice at almost every meal....and honestly would not feel comfortable cutting out that much meat out of my meals....I consume about 160g-185g on a given day. Sometimes up to 200....but that's not because I think I really need it or not, it's because it's how I enjoy my day.

Do those of you who consume the 80-100 range, do you do it because it's comfortable, did you grow up like this? or do you do it because you think it's optimal to convert the remaining macros to carbs or fat? Just curious to know an exact reasoning to try and wrap my head around it.

Solid perspective would be appreciated.

It's preference, I mean I eat 170g a day, I just don't feel comfortable with 100 a day

[kenny878]

For those who only consume in the 80-100g protein, I am curious. Did you grow up eating like that? I personally grew up eating my meat and rice at almost every meal....and honestly would not feel comfortable cutting out that much meat out of my meals....I consume about 160g-185g on a given day. Sometimes up to 200....but that's not because I think I really need it or not, it's because it's how I enjoy my day.

Do those of you who consume the 80-100 range, do you do it because it's comfortable, did you grow up like this? or do you do it because you think it's optimal to [b]convert the remaining macros to carbs or fat[/b}? Just curious to know an exact reasoning to try and wrap my head around it.

Solid perspective would be appreciated.

do you suggest that by consuming more protein the carbs and fat will be stored as body fat?
de novo lipogenesis, the conversion of carbs to fat happens very rarely/never in the human body

on another note, i finished reading the study in full. good read. it's good to know that (at least on a bulk) only consuming 150g protein per day is fine for me. It leaves more room for them tasty carbs and fats

[TheBedouin]

Interesting topic, I've always wondered how hard the minimum protein intake numbers are.

http://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-...-bodybuilders/

Just something I came across.

Imo if you arnt losing strength and muscle mass over a month or two then you don't need to increase your protien intake

[Naeem11]

do you suggest that by consuming more protein the carbs and fat will be stored as body fat?
de novo lipogenesis, the conversion of carbs to fat happens very rarely/never in the human body

on another note, i finished reading the study in full. good read. it's good to know that (at least on a bulk) only consuming 150g protein per day is fine for me. It leaves more room for them tasty carbs and fats

Nah that's not what I was saying, never mentioned the storing of any fat. Was asking if those who eat low protein do it because they think it's the most optimal and efficient root because they know they can get away with it, or are they doing it because they are just plainly comfortable with their macros structured that way.

[Striation]

For those who only consume in the 80-100g protein, I am curious. Did you grow up eating like that? I personally grew up eating my meat and rice at almost every meal....and honestly would not feel comfortable cutting out that much meat out of my meals....I consume about 160g-185g on a given day. Sometimes up to 200....but that's not because I think I really need it or not, it's because it's how I enjoy my day.

Do those of you who consume the 80-100 range, do you do it because it's comfortable, did you grow up like this? or do you do it because you think it's optimal to convert the remaining macros to carbs or fat? Just curious to know an exact reasoning to try and wrap my head around it.

Solid perspective would be appreciated.

Laziness and it's cheaper. I grew up with meat, rice, and beans but I no longer have my parents to cook for me lawl.

I don't even. It's like looking at that a diet journal of a 8-year-old. I'd probably be clinically depressed with such little meat.

Thanks!

http://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-...-bodybuilders/

Just something I came across.

Imo if you arnt losing strength and muscle mass over a month or two then you don't need to increase your protien intake

That is the way I look at it.

[determined4000]

I don't even. It's like looking at that a diet journal of a 4-year-old. I'd probably be clinically depressed with such little food.

fixed

[Striation]

fixed

<------Dat 4 year old body.

[rand18m]

Pictures are notoriously deceiving and commenting on your own progress through simply perception isn't a clear cut indicator of progress. If you didn't measure BF% before and after then saying you maintained or lost very little LBM is deceiving since you really don't know. Cutting makes anyone look better. Then there's always the elephant in the room: how do we know progress wouldn't have been better with a larger intake?

That aside, I think an increase in carbs and a smaller deficit can make for a pretty successful low-protein cut.

I'm also with AlwaysTryin. No idea how anyone gets 60g of protein. I eat 400g of chicken and that's 92 off the bat.

You're technically correct as you know but not entirely, it would be a stretch imo to not be able to look as his pictures and see progress, regardless of how he got there.

That's because they don't. There was someone (might be OP or the guy with the pics) claiming "low protein intake". Turns out he was only considering "complete" proteins as protein and didn't count the other 40g+ from beans, oats, nuts etc so in reality he was close to 1g/lb lol





Notice how no one who says 60g a day lists their diet

I'm not sure why this bothers you as much as it seems to bother you? 60-80-100, does it really matter?

<------Dat 4 year old body.

I'm also not sure how this thread became about you? I will say that you are making good progress and however you are doing so, keep it up. If you like a low protein diet, then go for it! There are no absolute rules, and I don't recall you specifically saying you ONLY eat 60 grams of protein a day, nobody on this planet can say for sure how much protein they actually eat a day in reality so the entire point is moot.

[Dexter3000]

I'm wondering for how long these discussions will go on.

Until a few years back (at least for the majority of fitness enthusiasts) there was no other way than the 6 meals/day way. It was one of the ground rules of bodybuilding, regardless of your cutting/gaining goals. Only a few years ago this dude Martin Berkhan managed to break through with his views on this and here we are all fasting and trying to eat as much as possible in only 1 meal (yes I exaggerated, although it's happening a lot).

The protein requirements issue is probably a harder nut to crack, seeing as how this would turn the industry upside down, but I'm curious to see how the fitness world looks at this topic in 10, 20 years from now.

My bet would be that protein requirements are vastly overstated and the average gym-goer can perform just fine on way less than currently recommended. More importantly, I think many would benefit from worrying less about protein intake and instead find a way of eating that generally fits his/her lifestyle and preferences to achieve the goal without much effort. Effortless dieting beats worrying/stressing over 1.3 or 1.8 grams of protein per lb/kg/lbm whatever per day.

But then again, I don't take bodybuilding seriously and I look like ****.

[WonderPug]

My bet would be that protein requirements are vastly overstated and the average gym-goer can perform just fine on way less than currently recommended.

I'd bet that you would win that bet.

[Dujin77]

I'm wondering for how long these discussions will go on.

Until a few years back (at least for the majority of fitness enthusiasts) there was no other way than the 6 meals/day way. It was one of the ground rules of bodybuilding, regardless of your cutting/gaining goals. Only a few years ago this dude Martin Berkhan managed to break through with his views on this and here we are all fasting and trying to eat as much as possible in only 1 meal (yes I exaggerated, although it's happening a lot).

The protein requirements issue is probably a harder nut to crack, seeing as how this would turn the industry upside down, but I'm curious to see how the fitness world looks at this topic in 10, 20 years from now.

My bet would be that protein requirements are vastly overstated and the average gym-goer can perform just fine on way less than currently recommended. More importantly, I think many would benefit from worrying less about protein intake and instead find a way of eating that generally fits his/her lifestyle and preferences to achieve the goal without much effort. Effortless dieting beats worrying/stressing over 1.3 or 1.8 grams of protein per lb/kg/lbm whatever per day.

But then again, I don't take bodybuilding seriously and I look like ****.

Some really good points there.

I think for every study that shows results leaning toward less protein there will be 2 supplement company funded "studies" that claim otherwise. It will be an epic battle of science vs. bro-science, if the meal timing issue is any indication there will still be division on the matter and two schools of thought. Perpetuating myths seems to be the status quo of the fitness industry.

[rand18m]

I'm wondering for how long these discussions will go on.

Until a few years back (at least for the majority of fitness enthusiasts) there was no other way than the 6 meals/day way. It was one of the ground rules of bodybuilding, regardless of your cutting/gaining goals. Only a few years ago this dude Martin Berkhan managed to break through with his views on this and here we are all fasting and trying to eat as much as possible in only 1 meal (yes I exaggerated, although it's happening a lot).

The protein requirements issue is probably a harder nut to crack, seeing as how this would turn the industry upside down, but I'm curious to see how the fitness world looks at this topic in 10, 20 years from now.

My bet would be that protein requirements are vastly overstated and the average gym-goer can perform just fine on way less than currently recommended. More importantly, I think many would benefit from worrying less about protein intake and instead find a way of eating that generally fits his/her lifestyle and preferences to achieve the goal without much effort. Effortless dieting beats worrying/stressing over 1.3 or 1.8 grams of protein per lb/kg/lbm whatever per day.

But then again, I don't take bodybuilding seriously and I look like ****.

I'd bet that you would win that bet.

I I'll agree with that bet as well^^^!!!

Some really good points there.

I think for every study that shows results leaning toward less protein there will be 2 supplement company funded "studies" that claim otherwise. It will be an epic battle of science vs. bro-science, if the meal timing issue is any indication there will still be division on the matter and two schools of thought. Perpetuating myths seems to be the status quo of the fitness industry.

Is that ever correct!^^

It's easy to understand how it happens, but in reality hurts the overall cause. The hardest part for most is getting past the BS and sticking to the basics, which is what is known to work and what many fail to understand!

[Dexter3000]

Perpetuating myths seems to be the status quo of the human race.

FTFY

I don't claim to know the future but you can see the same thing happening right now; people trying to hang on to the "you need more proteins!!" school of thought, just like the bro's who couldn't accept you don't have to eat every 3 hours. People who eat 100g per day are showing it's not problem whatsoever and with enough time the norm will change.

It's in our nature to complicate things, I'm still not sure why but in general I think we believe the more we have to work for it the better the results will be. Even though it's not necessary, or even detrimental to the cause.

[rand18m]

FTFY

I don't claim to know the future but you can see the same thing happening right now; people trying to hang on to the "you need more proteins!!" school of thought, just like the bro's who couldn't accept you don't have to eat every 3 hours. People who eat 100g per day are showing it's not problem whatsoever and with enough time the norm will change.

It's in our nature to complicate things, I'm still not sure why but in general I think we believe the more we have to work for it the better the results will be. Even though it's not necessary, or even detrimental to the cause.

Because it can't be as simple as lift, eat, rest-repeat!

It is!!

[AlwaysTryin]

I'm not sure why this bothers you as much as it seems to bother you? 60-80-100, does it really matter?

Because people who claim to eat 60g daily don't. They might 1 day but most days are way over and never back it up

It's just like me saying "I got shredded drinking 1L coca cola (because I drank 1L once, whereas other days were 100ml).

See the point?

[rand18m]

Because people who claim to eat 60g daily don't. They might 1 day but most days are way over and never back it up

It's just like me saying "I got shredded drinking 1L coca cola (because I drank 1L once, whereas other days were 100ml).

See the point?

I saw your point, just didn't think it was that big of a deal, but that's just me!!

By the way, my wife doesn't eat a whole lot more than 60g a day average. Not on maintenance, but of course she weighs 112!!

[Striation]

Because people who claim to eat 60g daily don't. They might 1 day but most days are way over and never back it up

It's just like me saying "I got shredded drinking 1L coca cola (because I drank 1L once, whereas other days were 100ml).

See the point?

I just don't even know where you heard someone claiming this. Op said 80. Link to another poster?

[Striation]

I saw your point, just didn't think it was that big of a deal, but that's just me!!

By the way, my wife doesn't eat a whole lot more than 60g a day average. Not on maintenance, but of course she weighs 112!!

I would say that is plenty. I've averaged 67g for the last 10 days at 175-176.

[AlwaysTryin]

I just don't even know where you heard someone claiming this. Op said 80. Link to another poster?

OP said "most of the time 60g" and this other poster listed 60g

My brother is the same; no protein supplements, just about the 60-80 gram protein mark and he has a sizeable physique. Mind you he has been lifting for about 4 years so maybe the length has something to do with it???