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    well this has escelated lol...


    the only "complete" protein sources I get are from greek yogurt which is 15g. cheese which is around 12g. and skim milk which makes up 30-50g. then i just eat bread and rice/pasta all day loaded up with olive oil
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    Originally Posted by Hyruliangoat View Post
    well this has escelated lol...


    the only "complete" protein sources I get are from greek yogurt which is 15g. cheese which is around 12g. and skim milk which makes up 30-50g. then i just eat bread and rice/pasta all day loaded up with olive oil
    So as I said previously, you consume more than 60-80g

    My post from earlier in the thread

    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    That's because they don't. There was someone (might be OP or the guy with the pics) claiming "low protein intake". Turns out he was only considering "complete" proteins as protein and didn't count the other 40g+ from beans, oats, nuts etc so in reality he was close to 1g/lb lol
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    Originally Posted by Dexter3000 View Post

    The protein requirements issue is probably a harder nut to crack, seeing as how this would turn the industry upside down, but I'm curious to see how the fitness world looks at this topic in 10, 20 years from now.

    My bet would be that protein requirements are vastly overstated and the average gym-goer can perform just fine on way less than currently recommended. More importantly, I think many would benefit from worrying less about protein intake and instead find a way of eating that generally fits his/her lifestyle and preferences to achieve the goal without much effort. Effortless dieting beats worrying/stressing over 1.3 or 1.8 grams of protein per lb/kg/lbm whatever per day.
    Originally Posted by Dexter3000 View Post

    I don't claim to know the future but you can see the same thing happening right now; people trying to hang on to the "you need more proteins!!" school of thought, just like the bro's who couldn't accept you don't have to eat every 3 hours. People who eat 100g per day are showing it's not problem whatsoever and with enough time the norm will change.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    So as I said previously, you consume more than 60-80g

    My post from earlier in the thread
    even then its no more than 100-120 so my point still stands that its low as hell.
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    Originally Posted by Hyruliangoat View Post
    even then its no more than 100-120 so my point still stands that its low as hell.
    120g (higher range) isn't low as hell at all
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    Originally Posted by Ghosting View Post
    Sir, you have interesting things to say.
    Was that sarcastic?
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    Originally Posted by Dexter3000 View Post
    Was that sarcastic?
    No (sorry, it sounded sarcastic, I should have said it wasn't). I thought you had an interestering outlook on our future. I didn't rep you?

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    Originally Posted by Ghosting View Post
    No (sorry, it sounded sarcastic, I should have said it wasn't). I thought you had an interestering outlook on our future. I didn't rep you?

    Edit : I guess I didn't. Repped
    Okay, thanks lol.

    It's fun to think about the future. Totally unrelated, but just look at cars for example; I bet in 50 years people are looking back and laughing at these stupid people in the 2000's driving in cars on a COMBUSTION engine running on oil and gas. How ****ing ancient is that?

    brb drilling into the earth to get oil while sun, wind and water energy are always and unlimited available


    Yes I drive a car and I love it, but things can be so much better. Although, the first electric car I'll drive has to look more many than the shyt I see on the streets today.


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    Also just thought I'd say, it's all well and good if people are doing well on 80g etc, but I love steak, eggs, bacon, cheese, kangaroo, GY etc so why wouldn't I want to eat lots of protein lol
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    Also just thought I'd say, it's all well and good if people are doing well on 80g etc, but I love steak, eggs, bacon, cheese, kangaroo, GY etc so why wouldn't I want to eat lots of protein lol
    This. Even if I didn't focus on protein intake, my love of meat, Dukend style parfaits and cheeses would make sure I'd never be deficient. Actually I think I'd eat more protein if I stopped tracking.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    Also just thought I'd say, it's all well and good if people are doing well on 80g etc, but I love steak, eggs, bacon, cheese, kangaroo, GY etc so why wouldn't I want to eat lots of protein lol
    I think (not that I agree with the following) some of it has to do with these "health gurus" and the way our society is heading. A lot of these massively skinny males are saying you don't need much protein. Making claims that protein ruins your health. Making it sound as if people that consume anything outside plant protein in small amounts will leave you a zombified overweight cancer health mess. Not saying this is everyones reason, but this seems to be the general belief out in the internet. I would provide links, but I am on a tablet.
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    bodybuilders usually overestimate their protein needs as they think more protein = more muscle growth
    While there is no evidence that a surplus of protein is bad in healthy individuals, you wont really gain more by eating more protein.
    1.5-2g/kg is more than enough.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    Also just thought I'd say, it's all well and good if people are doing well on 80g etc, but I love steak, eggs, bacon, cheese, kangaroo, GY etc so why wouldn't I want to eat lots of protein lol
    I use to get a lot more protein it just stopped over the past year roughly. and when I do eat meat it kills my appetite or makes my stomach hurt now lol. ate chicken for the first time in weeks a few days ago omg it was hell after
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    Originally Posted by graffiti36 View Post
    bodybuilders usually overestimate their protein needs as they think more protein = more muscle growth
    While there is no evidence that a surplus of protein is bad in healthy individuals, you wont really gain more by eating more protein.
    1.5-2g/kg is more than enough.
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    The point is not to have everyone follow our lead, the point is that you can get by with much less and be fine. There may be a day where meat is not readily available or you just don't feel like cooking. No need to freak in that situation.

    With this information if you think about it, it would be REALLY difficult to **** up a cut. You would really have to go out of your way as long as you're counting calories.
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    Originally Posted by Striation View Post
    With this information if you think about it, it would be REALLY difficult to **** up a cut. You would really have to go out of your way as long as you're counting calories.
    Your diet isn't exactly healthy model material but
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    oh and this is what 80g of protein does for you

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    Originally Posted by Hyruliangoat View Post
    oh and this is what 80g of protein does for you

    it poorly photoshops pictures of itself so the forearm and bicep don't line up?
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    Originally Posted by LegosInMyEgos View Post
    it poorly photoshops pictures of itself so the forearm and bicep don't line up?
    lmao at photoshop plsgo phaggot wanna see the original uncropped pic from my phone?
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    Originally Posted by Hyruliangoat View Post
    oh and this is what 80g of protein does for you ]
    We just went through this... Stop claiming 80g


    Originally Posted by Hyruliangoat View Post
    even then its no more than 100-120 so my point still stands that its low as hell.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    We just went through this... Stop claiming 80g
    we didnt go through anything. because thats assuming I eat the wquantaties I gave earlier like 50g of protein from milk. I dont get that everyday again as said before I might do 30 hell sometimes none at all. I dont eat the same amt everyday I go based on my appetite. holy crap at being so hostile about it lol. so it is not innacurate still to say 80. it would be more assuming I ate exactly what I listed but that doesnt happen everyday.
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    Originally Posted by Hyruliangoat View Post
    we didnt go through anything. because thats assuming I eat the wquantaties I gave earlier like 50g of protein from milk. I dont get that everyday again as said before I might do 30 hell sometimes none at all. I dont eat the same amt everyday I go based on my appetite. holy crap at being so hostile about it lol. so it is not innacurate still to say 80. it would be more assuming I ate exactly what I listed but that doesnt happen everyday.
    Just curious, do you count calories and/or macros at all or do you just eat whatever floats your boat?
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    Originally Posted by harharhar View Post
    Just curious, do you count calories and/or macros at all or do you just eat whatever floats your boat?
    I know just in my head from counting calries and stuff for the past what I normally get and im usually pretty close but for the past year ive just kind of gone based on how I felt in terms of macros. Cals I count though
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    Your diet isn't exactly healthy model material but
    And? This proves my point even further. You would REALLY have to go out of your way to **** up a cut.
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    Originally Posted by Striation View Post
    And? This proves my point even further. You would REALLY have to go out of your way to **** up a cut.
    My point was I wouldn't be taking diet advice from someone with a diet like that, I.e you
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    My point was I wouldn't be taking diet advice from someone with a diet like that, I.e you
    I never told anyone to eat my exact diet. What does what I eat have to do with not needing as much protein as many believe? The fact that a good deal of my protein comes from incomplete sources should really drive it home.
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    Originally Posted by Striation View Post
    I never told anyone to eat my exact diet. What does what I eat have to do with not needing as much protein as many believe? The fact that a good deal of my protein comes from incomplete sources should really drive it home.
    Just saying I wouldn't (as in me) go on one what person does/says (you) who's had a history of stupid extreme diets threads that haven't exactly got anywhere
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    This looks familiar. A post that includes a graph with no labels or explanations and a link to a journal that you most likely do not understand.
    i read some of it . its dry but understandable.
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    Originally Posted by Striation View Post
    <------Dat 4 year old body.
    As someone who's been there, you can get away with lower than optimal protein only for so long. When fattys start training, they can put on muscle and still cut some fat b/c off all that excess.


    At some point you're going to need to up you're protein (as I did). Personally, I dropped from about 280-290 to about 190 in a very quick amount of time, and lost alot of muscle due to such a large deficit. I'd never recommend it to anyone, ever
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