Is Shawn Ray complaining, or is he telling the truth? *VID*

[Whartonite2014]

[Hengman]

He has a valid point with stating that he is freely able to express himself. I think Shawn should have won in '94 personally only because I thought he looked like MR. O that day. However, he lost and that's that. For some other points he made, he tends to bitch too much for nothing because of his losses.

[Tyrbolift]

Truth.

Ray should have placed higher than he did for many contests, just because he put it all together, including fine posing. He was damn near perfect.

And in it's own way, even THAT can be a curse.

[NVious]

Truth. Ray should've had at least 1 Olympia.

[Ajthemeso]

he is 100% correct. ^ i agree he should have at least gotten one sandow.

[Unbiasedfan]

Complainning. Nothing wrong with that, he is doing his part.

2:45- if i looked like that i would simply stare at myself in the mirror all day, everyday.

[DavisForman]

Truth

[RoroCwalker]

Never saw that..wow..I've heard him complaining before about people focusing on size too much but to that extend?
Very interesting.

[Braveheart91]

He's complaining but it's the truth.

[ZBlacktt]

He'd always point out Yates gut and how that become the norm in the sport. Meanwhile Shawn had the body you'd see chiseled out of stone.

[dom1987]

Dorian is complaining that ray is complaining and so ray complains again at Dorian for complaining at him.

They both need to sit in the naughty corner until they have calmed down.

[spamy]

Shawn is right, Ronnie won one of Ray's Sandows undeservedly.

[TTimmerman]

Shawn is right, Ronnie won one of Ray's Sandows undeservedly.

wat

[spamy]

wat

I think Shawn deserved one (at least) of Ronnie's titles, I don't know which year anjd it's not based on solid facts, but I'm pretty sure he deserved one. Yes, sir...

[Gorky88]

I think Shawn deserved one (at least) of Ronnie's titles, I don't know which year anjd it's not based on solid facts, but I'm pretty sure he deserved one. Yes, sir...

Wat. Well it can never be solid facts in a bodybuilding show anyway. Ronnie destroyed everyone in 98-99-00

Even in 2001 I had him by a mile looking at pics and videos

[Loctus]

I think Shawn deserved one (at least) of Ronnie's titles, I don't know which year anjd it's not based on solid facts, but I'm pretty sure he deserved one. Yes, sir...

lolwot. Ronnie is 100% the right owner of every single Sandow on his mantelpiece. If anything it would be one of Dorian's that Ray should have.

edit: I mean, we all wish that Levrone/Ray/Wheeler and even Sonbaty had a Sandow of their own, but truth is there is only so many Olympias to spread around.. One a year. Everyone can't have one when Haney/Dorian/Coleman/Cutler are up on the stage too

[Unbiasedfan]

sarcasm?

[SammyJr]

lolwot. Ronnie is 100% the right owner of every single Sandow on his mantelpiece. If anything it would be one of Dorian's that Ray should have.

edit: I mean, we all wish that Levrone/Ray/Wheeler and even Sonbaty had a Sandow of their own, but truth is there is only so many Olympias to spread around.. One a year. Everyone can't have one when Haney/Dorian/Coleman/Cutler are up on the stage too

those 4 managed to get 2nd 10+ times

[spamy]

sarcasm?

Yep. People who are saying that Shanw deserved a Sandow first must explain why there have to be two weight classes in pro bbing and more weight divisions in the amateur contests. If they can explain why there are needed divisions based on weight/size like in the contact sports or where mass plays a role, then they have an argument for Shawn or any other smaller guy winning against a bigger guy. This discussion has turned into another stupid Yates bashing thread without any support. Of course no one has the balls to say anything negative about Ronnie using the same arguments.

[Ragana]

Pure truth...

Sort of like Branch winning the Arnold looking like the Frankenstein monster..

[FAN0FdaSport]

Yep. People who are saying that Shanw deserved a Sandow first must explain why there have to be two weight classes in pro bbing and more weight divisions in the amateur contests. If they can explain why there are needed divisions based on weight/size like in the contact sports or where mass plays a role, then they have an argument for Shawn or any other smaller guy winning against a bigger guy. This discussion has turned into another stupid Yates bashing thread without any support. Of course no one has the balls to say anything negative about Ronnie using the same arguments.

shawn vs dorian and shawn vs ronnie are completely different comparisons

[ROMMYromboid]

After viewing this footage, Shawn definatly does not come across as a good sport. He does not fit the following definition of what makes a good sportsman.

'Sportsmanship is an aspiration or ethos that a sport or activity will be enjoyed for its with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors. A sore loser refers to one who does not take defeat well, whereas a good sport means being a "good winner" as well as being a "good loser".'

Shawn also appears to not be a good looser but overall he was a good athlete.

Shawn is right, Ronnie won one of Ray's Sandows undeservedly.

I am suprised Shawn spoke about Dorian in the video, he could have used Ronnie name equally. Dorian has better size shape, proportions and definition than anyone in his era, he carried a small injury but in a recentish video explained how judging worked and why he won which made total sense. Dorian was a great sportsman.

[jamesyboi]

Yates would knock out Ray with 1 punch.

[Zachary533]

Yates would knock out Ray with 1 punch.

Yes because its all about that, isn't it? negged.

Shawn Ray is right with every sentence he said in this video.

[DavisForman]

Yep. People who are saying that Shanw deserved a Sandow first must explain why there have to be two weight classes in pro bbing and more weight divisions in the amateur contests. If they can explain why there are needed divisions based on weight/size like in the contact sports or where mass plays a role, then they have an argument for Shawn or any other smaller guy winning against a bigger guy. This discussion has turned into another stupid Yates bashing thread without any support. Of course no one has the balls to say anything negative about Ronnie using the same arguments.

No, it's that no one is stupid enough to use the same argument against Ronnie.

The argument that Shawn should have beaten Dorian can't be applied to Ronnie.

[ROMMYromboid]

No, it's that no one is stupid enough to use the same argument against Ronnie.

The argument that Shawn should have beaten Dorian can't be applied to Ronnie.

Forman, can you expand on why you have formed this opinion? Ronnie had his flaws just like any other athlete has them.

[FAN0FdaSport]

Forman, can you expand on why you have formed this opinion? Ronnie had his flaws just like any other athlete has them.

Ronnie's flaws = Dorian's?

You heard them in the video. Does Ronnie have the same ones? The only thing Shawn ever said about Ronnie in his early reign was "not the best quad separation"

Shawn admitted he got his ass handed to him by Ronnie in his final countdown dvd

[ROMMYromboid]

Ronnie's flaws = Dorian's?

You heard them in the video. Does Ronnie have the same ones? The only thing Shawn ever said about Ronnie in his early reign was "not the best quad separation"

Shawn admitted he got his ass handed to him by Ronnie in his final countdown dvd

Shawn was stating his opinion on Yates in the above footage, the judges did not have the same opinion = Yates won fair and square and was the better athlete. Ronnie had a huge flaw and that was his gut from the side, Shawn could have mentioned this.

[Unbiasedfan]

Ronnie had a huge flaw and that was his gut from the side, Shawn could have mentioned this.

Show me the mandatories.

[worldofwiz]

Yates would knock out Ray with 1 punch.

Size does not mean you can throw a punch.