Protein powder vs zero fat milk with egg whites!!

[imaduno]

which of the following do you think has more nutrition and is best to take right after workout,
whey protein powder OR 0%fat milk with three egg whites ?

[Asterix43]

Which has the faster absorption rate?

[PopeGregorius]

Which has the faster absorption rate?

Why do you think it makes any difference if it reaches the amino acid pool in 10 min or 20?

[imaduno]

come on guys its a simple question! i just want to know is it worth the money you pay for whey protein powder ?
is protein powder so much superior and better than getting your protein from milk and egg whites?

[jdtemple]

I don't like drinking my calories.

[azeeb]

What do you mean by worth the money? I would say the cost difference between protein powder and milk + egg whites is negligible.

[imaduno]

What do you mean by worth the money? I would say the cost difference between protein powder and milk + egg whites is negligible.

ok , forget about the money ,, what about the nutrition part?

[-=FLEX=-]

which of the following do you think has more nutrition and is best to take right after workout,
whey protein powder OR 0%fat milk with three egg whites ?

Huge difference in macros between those two choices.

Even with low-fat milk you're getting lots of grams of sugars that you won't see in the whey.

If you're just talking grams of protein you haven't given us enough info. How much milk? How much protein powder? What kind of protein powder?

Lots of variables...

As for what's best after a workout; whatever you like. It doesn't matter much. Real food is just fine.

[IsoCortex]

3.5 grams protein or so in an egg white, so depending on how much protein your milk has 3.5 x 3 + (protein in milk) = fair bit less than amount of protein in average whey protein... and who knows what your macros are?

[imaduno]

Huge difference in macros between those two choices.

Even with low-fat milk you're getting lots of grams of sugars that you won't see in the whey.

If you're just talking grams of protein you haven't given us enough info. How much milk? How much protein powder? What kind of protein powder?

Lots of variables...

As for what's best after a workout; whatever you like. It doesn't matter much. Real food is just fine.

whats macros?
one large glass of 0%fat milk thats about 9 grams protein + 3 egg whites each 3.5 grams of protein (3*3.5=10 grams ) so thats 19 grams of protein from milk and eggs. compared to any whey protein shake . maybe the whey powder has few more grams but the eggs are fresh and milk is milk plus its 0 fat not low fat.

[Mayor_West]

Macros= macronutrients, e.g. carbs, protein, fat.

The main difference between eggs and whey, is the total calories in each.

1 egg = 60 cals, 1g carbs, 6g fat, 9g protein
8 oz. fat-free milk = 86 cals, 12g carbs, 0g fat, 8g protein
1 scoop whey = 130 cals, 4g carbs, 2g fat, 24g protein

So the big advantage of whey is that you can get a lot of protein without taking in excess calories.

[ljimd]

Huge difference in macros between those two choices.

Even with low-fat milk you're getting lots of grams of sugars that you won't see in the whey.

If you're just talking grams of protein you haven't given us enough info. How much milk? How much protein powder? What kind of protein powder?

Lots of variables...

As for what's best after a workout; whatever you like. It doesn't matter much. Real food is just fine.

This^^^^^ much ado about nothing.

[-=FLEX=-]

whats macros?
one large glass of 0%fat milk thats about 9 grams protein + 3 egg whites each 3.5 grams of protein (3*3.5=10 grams ) so thats 19 grams of protein from milk and eggs. compared to any whey protein shake . maybe the whey powder has few more grams but the eggs are fresh and milk is milk plus its 0 fat not low fat.

not sure if trolling or just stupid

[Gijsss]

Protein powder obviously imo......
then you might aswell cook your egg whites and get a decent tasting meal instead of that bull****

[imaduno]

not sure if trolling or just stupid

neither ,
i just dont believe in manufactured nutrition's whether its vitamins or protein powder or what ever, i thought some one else here shares my point of view. and what i get ? some body calls me stupid!!!!

[mtpockets]

Which has the faster absorption rate?

This.


I do a shake after my workout

90 mins later 3 whole eggs and a meat of some kind usually lean ham or steak and a glass of choc milk.

[ironwill2008]

which of the following do you think has more nutrition and is best to take right after workout,
whey protein powder OR 0%fat milk with three egg whites ?

It won't make any difference. And neither will consuming either one "right after workout" or at some later time.




What's far more important is to simply eat to your daily macro/calorie requirement by day's end. The exact timing of your meals, and the exact nature of the protein sources is of secondary importance. You're free, of course, to split hairs here if you like, but in the big picture, there will be no difference in the outcome.




Much more information here:

*Alan Aragon/ Pre/Post Nutrition: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=123915821


And here:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...on-part-2.html

[bodyhard]

<----Will take the protien shake over the milk with eggs.

[michail71]

neither ,
i just dont believe in manufactured nutrition's whether its vitamins or protein powder or what ever, i thought some one else here shares my point of view. and what i get ? some body calls me stupid!!!!

Whey isn't any different than any other food source. It's a byproduct of cheese making and a more complete protein than you find from many other food sources.

To get the most nutrition from eggs they should be cooked with their yolks.

[MarkS51]

ok , forget about the money ,, what about the nutrition part?

Gotta eat a butt load of egg whites (which are NOT cheap) to equal my whey powder of choice and I don't want all the ancillary stuff in milk, like lactic acid.

I've used Natures Best Isopure Zero Carb whey protein for years. Mixed with water it has 50g protein per shake, 0 carbs and only 210cals per shake. I regulate my carbs elsewhere. It also happens to taste ok. Now, I'm 51 years old and carbs are more of an issue for me than a young guy so if you're young and looking to bulk than another type of the "weight gainer" variety might be better. When I first started I used to take Joe Weider's Weight Gainer shakes mixed with milk about 4-5 times a day. It worked. That was about 33 years ago and have been using whey and casein at night, ever since.

It's convenient, portable, cost-efficient, nutri-efficient (giving only what I want), tasty and it works. Maybe that's why EVERYBODY uses them, huh?

[PopeGregorius]

Huge difference in macros between those two choices.

Even with low-fat milk you're getting lots of grams of sugars that you won't see in the whey.

WPC is over 5% carbs from sugar, WPI has 0%.

come on guys its a simple question! i just want to know is it worth the money you pay for whey protein powder ?
is protein powder so much superior and better than getting your protein from milk and egg whites?

Whey, eggs, beef, fish etc. have the same Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein...ino_Acid_Score

We have to idea if its "worth the money", we don't know your finances.

The bottom line is : bodybuilders need extra protein to put on muscle, more protein than you generally get in the western pattern diet. The cheapest way to do get protein, with minimal carbs or fat, is whey or casein.

[imaduno]

It won't make any difference. And neither will consuming either one "right after workout" or at some later time.




What's far more important is to simply eat to your daily macro/calorie requirement by day's end. The exact timing of your meals, and the exact nature of the protein sources is of secondary importance. You're free, of course, to split hairs here if you like, but in the big picture, there will be no difference in the outcome.




Much more information here:

i read the links posted, i decided to stick to my diet of real food, and as for protein shake before or after workout its gonna be zero fat milk + egg whites.
its good enough for me.
Protein Supplements and Muscle Building
Perhaps the biggest myth and biggest surprise is that protein supplements are not proven to build muscle. According to the University of Missouri, despite the vast claims that nutrition companies may make, protein supplements are not clinically proven to enhance muscle development, strength or endurance. It is proven that excessive amounts of protein can hinder athletic performance and sabotage your fat loss goals,
Another misconception is that "the more protein you eat, the more muscle you will gain." This is not true. After you have reached your dietary protein requirements, any further protein consumption will be stored as fat or encourage several other undesirable side effects. Excess protein can cause kidney stress. When you eat or drink excessive amounts of protein, your kidneys must work harder to process the protein. Excess protein intake can lead to dehydration as well since your body and kidneys require more water to process the protein. Over time, eating too much protein could predispose you to osteoporosis because excess protein causes calcium to excreted through the urine. A calcium deficiency can cause weak bones and promote osteoporosis.
you can read more at livestrong.com (protein powder myth).



thanx for the info ironwill2008

[LowCarbDiabetic]

i read the links posted, i decided to stick to my diet of real food, and as for protein shake before or after workout its gonna be zero fat milk + egg whites.
its good enough for me.
Protein Supplements and Muscle Building
Perhaps the biggest myth and biggest surprise is that protein supplements are not proven to build muscle. According to the University of Missouri, despite the vast claims that nutrition companies may make, protein supplements are not clinically proven to enhance muscle development, strength or endurance. It is proven that excessive amounts of protein can hinder athletic performance and sabotage your fat loss goals,
Another misconception is that "the more protein you eat, the more muscle you will gain." This is not true. After you have reached your dietary protein requirements, any further protein consumption will be stored as fat or encourage several other undesirable side effects. Excess protein can cause kidney stress. When you eat or drink excessive amounts of protein, your kidneys must work harder to process the protein. Excess protein intake can lead to dehydration as well since your body and kidneys require more water to process the protein. Over time, eating too much protein could predispose you to osteoporosis because excess protein causes calcium to excreted through the urine. A calcium deficiency can cause weak bones and promote osteoporosis.
you can read more at livestrong.com (protein powder myth).



thanx for the info ironwill2008

First, if you get your nutritional information from Livestrong (which is full of misleading, conflicting and even incorrect information because any idiot can post there...) you'll be sadly disappointed in your progress.

Second, there's a difference between using protein powder and "excess protein". Those of us using protein powders and having success with them are not (for the most part) taking in excess protein. You have to take in a LOT of protein to have an excess. Most people venturing into bodybuilding don't get enough. I use whey powders myself because I simply can't get the protein I need quickly without supplementing unless I were to quit my job and spend all day in the kitchen... I don't have that much time (I currently eat 6-7 times a day) so I supplement with 2x protein shakes a day.

Third ... your "zero fat" milk is loaded with sugar, 12-13g of it depending on the source of nutritional information. Water and whey protein usually has 1-2g of sugar.

Fourth ... don't avoid fat. There is considerable evidence that shows reducing your fat intake dramatically will reduce your testosterone levels, and then any ideas of building muscle are out the window. When a dietician put me on a low-fat diet my body composition got worse - I gained fat and lost muscle.

You need a healthy combination of fat, protein and carbohydrate. The exact percentages of each macro (based on calories) depends on the individual and their activities, but there's lots of excellent articles out there which give you a good place to start. Most people weight-training need about 1g per pound of bodyweight daily as a minimum... some need more, others less, to see the gains they want.

As has been mentioned, check out anything by Alan Aragon on the subject of nutrition and macronutrient intakes, rather than relying on some Livestrong article. Aragon goes the extra mile in researching all sides of any topic and presenting the truth of the matter.

[MarkS51]

i read the links posted, i decided to stick to my diet of real food, and as for protein shake before or after workout its gonna be zero fat milk + egg whites.
its good enough for me.
Protein Supplements and Muscle Building
Perhaps the biggest myth and biggest surprise is that protein supplements are not proven to build muscle. According to the University of Missouri, despite the vast claims that nutrition companies may make, protein supplements are not clinically proven to enhance muscle development, strength or endurance. It is proven that excessive amounts of protein can hinder athletic performance and sabotage your fat loss goals,
Another misconception is that "the more protein you eat, the more muscle you will gain." This is not true. After you have reached your dietary protein requirements, any further protein consumption will be stored as fat or encourage several other undesirable side effects. Excess protein can cause kidney stress. When you eat or drink excessive amounts of protein, your kidneys must work harder to process the protein. Excess protein intake can lead to dehydration as well since your body and kidneys require more water to process the protein. Over time, eating too much protein could predispose you to osteoporosis because excess protein causes calcium to excreted through the urine. A calcium deficiency can cause weak bones and promote osteoporosis.
you can read more at livestrong.com (protein powder myth).
thanx for the info ironwill2008

And there you have it. You scoured the net to find the one bit of info that reinforced your predilection. Bravo. I always like to remember that the leading engineers of their day had proven mathematically that man could never fly. Oh well, guess all the millions of BB'ers and muscleheads through all the decades are wrong and Livestrong is right. Gosh, who knew?

Uhh, in case you didn't notice your "proof" refutes the very premise of a need for more protein. Sure, they focused on powders but are unequivocal about the basic premise. But at least its good to see that you agree that increased protein is required to build muscle because you're pretty adamant that you need to increase your protein intake irrespective of the article's admonitions against "excessive" protein intake and it's assertion it's all a myth. I guess it comes down to what's "excessive" vis. you and whether one is putting that protein to use through increased demand via muscle stress. How you take the protein is really besides the point. And btw, I've never heard anyone say "more protein equals more muscle" as though it had direct causation. It's the work that builds muscle as a response and it needs protein to accomplish that task.

There's a lot of methods and techniques and your source of protein of choice will probably work fine if you stick with it and with working out. After all, guys were gulping eggs to feed the muscle long before the widespread availability of protein powders. But there is no myth about requiring more protein to build muscle and if you think so, try working out harder and harder on just the RDA and see where it gets you.

[imaduno]

lots of question marks out there on this subject, heres another example from Muscle Works Magazine.

Bodybuilders require increased amounts of amino acids to repair and build muscle tissue. While many get this from egg whites, lean chicken breast and other natural sources; others turn to whey, the liquid that’s left over after milk has been curdled and filtered. Typically, the supplement is available in dehydrated form, which athletes use to make a liquid shake. When it’s pure, this supplement offers bodybuilders a fast, efficient way to meet their dietary needs. Unfortunately, when it’s not, consumers could be in for real problems. If you’re worried about potential protein powder side-effects; a recent study by Consumer Reports should have your full attention.

Disturbing Test Results

Recently, Consumer Reports magazine tested several popular brands of protein powder to see if they contained high levels of contaminants. Disturbingly, some of the hottest sellers tested positive for high amounts of toxic metals, including mercury, lead and cadmium. When consumed in even low doses, these toxins can cause all sorts of permanent side-effects, including kidney and brain damage.
Which Products Had the Highest?

In conducting its examination, Consumer Reports looked at 15 popular products. While some passed the test with flying colors, others weren’t so lucky. Tests confirmed that three servings of EAS Myoplex Original Rich Dark Chocolate Shake contained levels of arsenic and cadmium that exceeded USP limits, which define how much of these toxins a person can safely consume each day. Additionally, Muscle Milk Chocolate powder tested positive for four toxic metals in addition to arsenic. According to Consumer Reports, Muscle Milk faired worst out of all the supplements it tested, which is especially disturbing since the product is one of the most popular bodybuilding supplements on the market today.
Better Ways to Meet Your Needs

If you’re worried about protein powder side-effects, there are a variety of natural ways you can meet your nutritional needs. According to Consumer Reports, lean chicken breast, egg whites and milk not only provide as much protein as popular supplements; they tend to be a lot cheaper. Additionally, most experts agree that average, everyday consumers have no need for supplementation if they are eating a well-balanced diet.

That said, bodybuilders do tend to need substantial amounts of amino acids, and it may seem unreasonable to consume large amounts of meat and eggs several time throughout the day. If you are looking for a safer whey protein powder, consider Solgar Whey to Go, Jillian Michaels Natural Whey Vanilla Cream Shake or SixStar Muscle Professional Strength French Vanilla Cream – all of which passed the Consumer Reports test with flying colors.

so some passed the test and some didnt! at least if an egg is rotten u can smell it which is not the case with pro pwdr.

[pastorgbc]

neither ,
i just dont believe in manufactured nutrition's whether its vitamins or protein powder or what ever, i thought some one else here shares my point of view. and what i get ? some body calls me stupid!!!!

This is kind of a weird thread, but I found this statement ironic in light of the fact that you are drinking fat free milk. Fat free or skim milk is one of the most manufactured foods out there. Additionally there are risks inherent with raw eggs whites.

Protein also tastes better. But here is a thought; mix you milk and eggs with a scoop of whey, flavor of choice.

Ray

[pvsampson]

OP,it seems as though you have all the answers already.

So just drink your sh#tty tasting milk and crappy half eggs in the anabolic window and you won't have anything to argue about.

[imaduno]

every thing is processed to a certain degree,, i cant wake up every morning carry a bucket and go milk a cow!! skimmed milk is as good as it gets, at least for me. still after all, another reason for choosing milk+egg whites as protein shake after w/o is the low price i can get them at, a box of 30 "vegetarian fed" chicken eggs for less than $5 and skimmed milk powder "Regilait 0% fat" 700g for $10. the 30 eggs last 4-5 days cuz with evey whole egg i take 3 whites, as for milk i finish a can every 10 days.

[pvsampson]

Gotta admit,those eggs are cheap.Why zero fat milk though? Fat is not actually bad.

You haven't stated if you are cutting or not so curious as to the 0%.

[imaduno]

This is kind of a weird thread, but I found this statement ironic in light of the fact that you are drinking fat free milk. Fat free or skim milk is one of the most manufactured foods out there. Additionally there are risks inherent with raw eggs whites.

Protein also tastes better. But here is a thought; mix you milk and eggs with a scoop of whey, flavor of choice.

Ray

may be i,ll do that , change is healthy every while.

Gotta admit,those eggs are cheap.Why zero fat milk though? Fat is not actually bad.

You haven't stated if you are cutting or not so curious as to the 0%.

its not im that im cutting just got a belly i want to get rid of, like you said fat is not bad i take low fat beside 0%