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    What Percentage of Your Clients are getting blood tested?

    I know a big part of getting your clients results will be determined on how well there internal chemistry is balanced aka hormones, blood, etc

    How many of your clients are you recommending get blood tests or do you have a certain partner or doctor that you work with?
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    I have never recommended that a client have a blood test done. If clients are having regular physicals, they should be having at least basic blood tests done. I would think that any hormone tests would be warranted if symptoms cause someone to visit their doctor. Do you recommend blood tests or work with a doctor?
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    Originally Posted by tbrady1pttools View Post
    I know a big part of getting your clients results will be determined on how well there internal chemistry is balanced aka hormones, blood, etc

    How many of your clients are you recommending get blood tests or do you have a certain partner or doctor that you work with?
    Hey Travis, I send my clients to an endocrinologist located in Holladay. The only time I do it is if the client is following their nutrition and exercise protocol consistently and not losing weight, which is very rare but does happen. The clinic I send them to is very thorough and runs over 14 blood tests. The last client I sent came back pre-diabetic and is now on metformin, which should help her lose weight.
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    the gym im at Lifetime Fitness offers almost everything the doctor does as far Blood testing. We have RD's on staff to legally give them a plan behind it as well. We do everything natural though. I push all my clients to do it! I was just seeing who all else out there does it! Because if there testosterone is that of a teenager then they probably will have a tougher time putting on muscle in the gym!
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    Originally Posted by Mr.ILL View Post
    Hey Travis, I send my clients to an endocrinologist located in Holladay. The only time I do it is if the client is following their nutrition and exercise protocol consistently and not losing weight, which is very rare but does happen. The clinic I send them to is very thorough and runs over 14 blood tests. The last client I sent came back pre-diabetic and is now on metformin, which should help her lose weight.
    yea i remember you telling me that! i might have to work with him in special cases that dont work through lifetime!
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    Originally Posted by tbrady1pttools View Post
    the gym im at Lifetime Fitness offers almost everything the doctor does as far Blood testing. We have RD's on staff to legally give them a plan behind it as well. We do everything natural though. I push all my clients to do it! I was just seeing who all else out there does it! Because if there testosterone is that of a teenager then they probably will have a tougher time putting on muscle in the gym!
    What have been the most common results?
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    Originally Posted by tbrady1pttools View Post
    Because if there testosterone is that of a teenager then they probably will have a tougher time putting on muscle in the gym!
    In other words, you're pushing them to take steroids or HGH?

    I'm aware of this scam in the US. Steroids/HGH can be legally prescribed if the person has "low hormone levels". What is "low" is not defined in legislation, regulation, science or medical ethics. Therefore, anyone can be diagnosed as "low" and be legally prescribed steroids. And their results will thus be considerably greater than they might otherwise have experienced... "Oh my god, my trainer is a genius, he got me such great results!"

    Incidentally, teenaged males have quite high natural testosterone levels; someone with a BS in ExSci should know that. This is why they grow even if they do nothing. You think they put on 50lbs between 10 and 20 because of their low testosterone? In fact, the usual aim of testosterone supplementation - legal or otherwise - in athletes is to give them the hormonal profile of a teenaged boy. Thus the broadening chin, getting hairy and angry, and lots of zits.
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    Originally Posted by KyleAaron View Post
    In other words, you're pushing them to take steroids or HGH?

    I'm aware of this scam in the US. Steroids/HGH can be legally prescribed if the person has "low hormone levels". What is "low" is not defined in legislation, regulation, science or medical ethics. Therefore, anyone can be diagnosed as "low" and be legally prescribed steroids. And their results will thus be considerably greater than they might otherwise have experienced... "Oh my god, my trainer is a genius, he got me such great results!"

    Incidentally, teenaged males have quite high natural testosterone levels; someone with a BS in ExSci should know that. This is why they grow even if they do nothing. You think they put on 50lbs between 10 and 20 because of their low testosterone? In fact, the usual aim of testosterone supplementation - legal or otherwise - in athletes is to give them the hormonal profile of a teenaged boy. Thus the broadening chin, getting hairy and angry, and lots of zits.
    Agreed. What makes me happy about this profession is the amount of passion and the natural aspect of health and fitness. I wouldn't encourage any client to stick a needle in their arm let alone just to see why they aren't making progress. Everyone today wants to go straight to prescriptions and drugs when they don't have the heart to achieve their personal/fitness goals.
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    Incidentally, teenaged males have quite high natural testosterone levels; someone with a BS in ExSci should know that. This is why they grow even if they do nothing. You think they put on 50lbs between 10 and 20 because of their low testosterone? In fact, the usual aim of testosterone supplementation - legal or otherwise - in athletes is to give them the hormonal profile of a teenaged boy. Thus the broadening chin, getting hairy and angry, and lots of zits.

    THIS, except the angry part thats overhyped.
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    Originally Posted by KyleAaron View Post
    In other words, you're pushing them to take steroids or HGH?

    I'm aware of this scam in the US. Steroids/HGH can be legally prescribed if the person has "low hormone levels". What is "low" is not defined in legislation, regulation, science or medical ethics. Therefore, anyone can be diagnosed as "low" and be legally prescribed steroids. And their results will thus be considerably greater than they might otherwise have experienced... "Oh my god, my trainer is a genius, he got me such great results!"

    Incidentally, teenaged males have quite high natural testosterone levels; someone with a BS in ExSci should know that. This is why they grow even if they do nothing. You think they put on 50lbs between 10 and 20 because of their low testosterone? In fact, the usual aim of testosterone supplementation - legal or otherwise - in athletes is to give them the hormonal profile of a teenaged boy. Thus the broadening chin, getting hairy and angry, and lots of zits.
    Wow! That got blown up into something it wasn't... Holly ****!!!! I meant if a guys testosterone is as low as a teenagers then yeah there going to have time getting rid of the fat building muscle etc. at lifetime where I work we focus on everything naturally. We treat imbalances in the body through natural and herbal supplements. Never said a needle! Haha

    Our most popular test here is 4 point cortisol:dhea test. Look it up. I have gotten anazing results with clients doing that test! If trainers truly knew the benefits of testing clients you would never want to train a client again without knowing how the car engine is working aka- chemistry in the body.
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    Originally Posted by tbrady1pttools View Post
    Wow! That got blown up into something it wasn't... Holly ****!!!! I meant if a guys testosterone is as low as a teenagers then yeah there going to have time getting rid of the fat building muscle etc.[...] I have gotten anazing results with clients doing that test! If trainers truly knew the benefits of testing clients you would never want to train a client again without knowing how the car engine is working aka- chemistry in the body.
    If your tests are telling you that adolescent males have low levels of testosterone, then your tests are not very useful.



    Your knowledge of how the hormonal engine works is obviously lacking. You'll be sticking the engine in backwards, in fact.

    How on Earth did you pass your Exercise Science degree?
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    If someone had bad hormone levels like high coritsol all the time, low test and so on, I'd recommend sensible resistance training, a good diet, appropriate cardio, more sleep and stress/lifestyle management. But that's what I recommend to everyone anyway. Anything that can't be cured by the above is probably outside of out scope of practice anyway.
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    Almost all of my clients get blood tests and most submit copies of the lab work to me. Since I specialize in clients with Chronic Diseases (such as HIV/AIDS or Diabetes), having a complete understanding of associated metabolic issue allows me to make more informed recommendations for my clients health. Even older clients with lower testosterone have found a better quality of life due to HRT coordinated with a fitness routine and diet that takes advantage of this.
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    Originally Posted by tbrady1pttools View Post
    I know a big part of getting your clients results will be determined on how well there internal chemistry is balanced aka hormones, blood, etc

    How many of your clients are you recommending get blood tests or do you have a certain partner or doctor that you work with?
    I only recommend it for a small % of my clients when I feel signs warrant it. Both personal trainers and everyone looking to have a fitter lifestyle should keep their regular doctor in the loop, as they can catch things.
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