LOL at American gun culture.

[bailey1106]

Nutsy you should be a lobbyist for the nra. Srs

[germanviking]

texas > australia

why is op so mad?

Texas


Australia

[ocpunkelite86]

One month back there was a video released by Aussie TV news showing a policeman taking aim at a burglar in someone's backyard tellig him to show his hands etc. That was a quick response I guess. But I dunno really.

I'll just list some stuff. On phone.

Burglars aren't after a confrontation. I know this. My family was burgled four times. First time I think they broke in. Other three times we got a security system and they couldn't get in. Car stolen by aboriginals at one point. No man should die over a few valuables.

Get a dog. scurity system, cameras, steel screens, home and contents insurance, trim hedges and bush surrounding house, security flood lights.

If you hear an intruder? You should get out of the house asap.

Identifying an intruder is not easy without exposing yourself to a confrontation.

Talked about the other points before.

LOL you know what every burglar is like right? You can safely assume all burglars do not want confrontation?

Strong intelligence

Hear an intruder... leave your home...

Sooooooo... you are to roll over and allow intrusion on to your private property and have your things you have worked for taken from you? no thanks jeff.

Dog, security system, camera, steel screens, security flood lights.... or a simple $500 handgun with ammo

You want people to live in a prison of a home that's pretty sad dude

[ocpunkelite86]

im all for owning a gun, but wtf do you need an ak-47 or barrett 50 cal for?

wouldnt a shotgun or 9mm be effective?

I know it is for defense, but we have an army for fighting wars so our citizens dont have to. we dont need access to assault rifles

Our MILITARY is made of CITIZENS you *******

The right to own firearms is the natural right of self preservation and to defend yourself if at any time you need to defend yourself... from another person... from a gang of people... or an unlawful government.

[srsnotsureif]

lol, i need an ar15/50 cal because I want them.

[suave2000]

oh looks it's this thread again....

[ftblplyr46]

Maybe you should take the time to read an opposing opinion from an intelligent person. I dare say, you might learn a thing or two.

Maybe you should cliff that sh!t. Aint no one gonna be reading all that.

[Carson92]

One month back there was a video released by Aussie TV news showing a policeman taking aim at a burglar in someone's backyard tellig him to show his hands etc. That was a quick response I guess. But I dunno really.

I'll just list some stuff. On phone.

Burglars aren't after a confrontation. I know this. My family was burgled four times. First time I think they broke in. Other three times we got a security system and they couldn't get in. Car stolen by aboriginals at one point. No man should die over a few valuables.

Get a dog. scurity system, cameras, steel screens, home and contents insurance, trim hedges and bush surrounding house, security flood lights.

If you hear an intruder? You should get out of the house asap.

Identifying an intruder is not easy without exposing yourself to a confrontation.

Talked about the other points before.

I guess you can't fix stupid.

[ftwrestler]

Our MILITARY is made of CITIZENS you *******

The right to own firearms is the natural right of self preservation and to defend yourself if at any time you need to defend yourself... from another person... from a gang of people... or an unlawful government.

i understand the our military is our citizens, but they are supplied assault weapons in a controlled environment. My wife is in the military. i am not anti-gun or military in any way, but some control is necessary

[alphama1e]

As a citizen of a country where guns and any item that can be perceived as a weapon is entirely illegal , I am envious of Americans right to protect themselves. We have criminals here , who are violent and do brake the law by wielding and using weapons and firearms. We as law abiding peaceful citizens are denied the right to defend ourselves from such people , which makes me wish i lived in texas or florida or some state where you can own firearms.

Making guns illegal doesnt stop criminals from using them , only stops innocent civilians from having one to protect themselves from them . As someone who has been burglarized [I was not present at the time of the B&E] I wish i had some sort of option to defend my family from a potentially violent intruder [not all intruders are violent , im aware that a good chunk are betas looking to steal stuff] .

what other option is there? challenge a crook to a fist fight? , if he has a knife go to your kitchen grab a knife and proceed to medieval duel him?

[MVHagey]

Australia

Lmao @ the cheerleader effect

[FA4LIFE]

all the world brahs need to know is that all gun crimes committed in the US are done by <single digits law abiding gun owners. I think it's lower than 5 %.

Sure Australia may work cuz they never had guns, but the states have a history of guns, can't just ban them and expect them to vanish from the face of the earth or criminals to voluntarily hand them over.

[ocpunkelite86]

i understand the our military is our citizens, but they are supplied assault weapons in a controlled environment. My wife is in the military. i am not anti-gun or military in any way, but some control is necessary

NO one who is for guns that I have ever met or talked to is against CONTROL

What people are against is the illogical restrictions to law abiding citizens.

So I have no clue what the point is you are trying to get across is.

Control is wanted by everyone but the small minority of crazies.

[nutsy54]

LOL you know what every burglar is like right? You can safely assume all burglars do not want confrontation?

After all, these examples never actually happened... (Or so the OP would have us believe). Notice that none of them involved a criminal with a firearm, but an armed victim was able to effectively defend themselves and end the crime in progress:

After locking up, a female employee of Cakes and Confections 4U was leaving the business through a back door when she realized she was cornered by two strange men. One man struck her in the jaw while the other ripped off her necklace and earrings. When the men then attempted to sexually assault the woman, she produced a concealed .32 cal. firearm from her waistband and fired. Both men immediately dropped the stolen jewelry and ran. It was last reported that the assailants were still at large. After the incident, the woman said her firearm saved her life and that she had a strong message to all women, “If you don’t have a gun or you’re scared of guns, get familiar with them and get a gun.” (FOX Carolina 21, Landrum, SC, 8/29/12)

Scott Stith was in his bedroom when he heard a loud crash coming from the first floor of his home. He grabbed his .45 cal. pistol and crept downstairs to investigate. He spotted the silhouette of a man, but did not fire because he had teenage sons in the house and was not 100 percent sure of his target. He called out only to discover the man was an intruder who had broken through the glass of the back door. Stith held the 29-year-old intruder at gunpoint until police arrived. Everyone involved was reportedly unharmed. (Sandusky Register, Milan, OH, 9/29/12)

Brianne Rodriguez heard a knock at her front door just before 9 a.m., but ignored it. A few minutes later, Rodriguez heard loud noises coming from her bedroom. When she went to investigate, she discovered a man wearing a ski mask in her home. The confrontation led to a struggle and Rodriguez was pushed to the floor and kicked in the face and ribs. The masked man then grabbed her screaming 2-year-old daughter and bolted for the door. Rodriguez quickly retrieved a shotgun she kept in her bedroom and followed. Upon seeing the gun, the man dropped the child and fled. He escaped with Rodriguez’s purse and some jewelry, but Rodriguez and her daughter sustained no serious injuries. (KSEE 24 NEWS, Fresno County, CA, 8/28/12)

Several other examples, and many years of prior history, with various combinations of armed/unarmed violent criminals and victims who did or didn't need to fire their weapons:
http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/armed-citizen/

[nutsy54]

Burglars aren't after a confrontation.

You need to spread the word, because these Australian criminals didn't get the memo...

10/22/2012
Two intruders assaulted a woman and ransacked her western Sydney home after breaking into the property as she slept.
Police say two men forced their way into the house at Auburn about 3:00am today.
The woman has been taken to hospital where she is being treated for minor injuries and shock.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-2...vasion/4326276

11/5/2012
Police in Kempsey are looking for a gang of six people who terrorised an elderly couple in their home on Friday night.
The group of five men and a woman forced their way into a South Kempsey home at around 10:30 pm (ADST).
Police say they threatened the 77 year old male occupant and his 60 year old wife with long, sharpened tomato stakes.
They then ransacked the house and stole cash, mobile phones and the couple's car.
It was later found burnt-out in nearby bushland.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-0...vasion/4353266

11/8/2012
A man with suspected links to an outlaw motorcycle gang may face deportation to England after being jailed yesterday for a violent home invasion on Queensland's Sunshine Coast.
Leslie David Gadd, 43, pleaded guilty to charges including acts intended to maim and robbery with violence relating to an incident at Little Mountain in April last year.
The Supreme Court in Brisbane yesterday heard Gadd had shot a man in the thigh after breaking into his house looking for drugs and money.
Gadd and an accomplice found $6,000 worth of cannabis in the pantry and threatened to shoot the man again unless he opened a safe.
The resident of the house was also hit several times with a cricket bat and an ornamental sword but managed to escape.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-0...vasion/4361008

11/22/2012
Five men have been charged in relation to a number of home invasions and armed robberies across Sydney.
Police say two of the men allegedly broke into a man's home at Haberfield, in Sydney's inner-west, at 5.30am (AEST) on Thursday.
The duo allegedly struck the man with a wooden bat before stealing the keys to his car.
They then fled the scene with a group of males outside the house.
Officers later located the stolen car at a fast food restaurant car park about 5km away at Hurlstone Park.
They arrested five men aged between 16 and 19 and later charged them with a number of other offences, including armed robbery and aggravated break, enter and steal.
It is alleged the five were involved in several other home invasion and armed robbery incidents within the Sydney metropolitan area.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...ome-invasions/

11/6/2012
Police are investigating a home invasion at Salisbury Downs last night.
At about 9pm, 5 males described as being of Aboriginal appearance and allegedly armed with firearms, forced their way into the house on Norbury Drive and assaulted an occupant.
He sustained a hit to the head and was taken to the Lyell McEwen hospital for treatment.
The man's wife and daughter were threatened and items were stolen before the offenders ran off down an alleyway alongside the Salisbury primary school.
http://www.sapolicenews.com.au/more-...ury-downs.html

11/23/2012
Eastern Adelaide Police are seeking information from the public after a woman was assaulted at North Adelaide in the early hours of this morning.
At about 2am, the 21-year-old woman was walking along Pennington Terrace, passed St Peter's Cathedral when a man who was sitting on the steps grabbed her from behind and dragged into the grounds of the church.
The woman struggled with the man for a short moment then managed to break free leaving her handbag behind.
http://www.sapolicenews.com.au/more-...-adelaide.html

[BrbBowflexing]

Australia

lol pls go

[ftwrestler]

NO one who is for guns that I have ever met or talked to is against CONTROL

What people are against is the illogical restrictions to law abiding citizens.

So I have no clue what the point is you are trying to get across is.

Control is wanted by everyone but the small minority of crazies.

i was stating my opinion. i was not making a point. and the you called me a *******

*******

[Farley1324]

Over 10 years ago they were implenting this tech on West Aus LEO's. Given the exponential rate of tech growth I'm certain that they could be implemented easily and cost effectively.

Sounds like a business opportunity.

Get off your fat lazy ass and go make some money with it!

[infrum]

Sounds like a business opportunity.

Get off your fat lazy ass and go make some money with it!

Would bet my left testicle that there are a plethora of firearm tech and safety patents who hold the monopoly already. Just no one wants to invest in it due to yokel culture.

[wings_unhinged]

I like being armed. All citizens should be able to protect themselves if necessary.

[infrum]

Nra propganda

Anecdotal evidence should not play a huge influence in the deciding laws.

As oir old PM said...

The murder rate in the US is roughly four times that in each of Australia, New Zealand, and Britain. Even the most diehard supporter of guns must concede that America's lax firearms laws are a major part of the explanation for such a disparity.

Research published in 2010 in the American Journal of Law and Economics found that firearm homicides, in Australia, dropped 59 per cent between 1995 and 2006. There was no offsetting increase in non-firearm-related murders. Researchers at Harvard University in 2011 revealed that in the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102 deaths. There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur laws.

Wheres your rebuttal for that?

[infrum]

Still posting false claims and making up imaginary statistics to support your position, huh?

47% of Americans own a firearm, not your absurd 90% claim.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/se...hest-1993.aspx

Misread some stats.

I meant that there are 9 firearms to every 10 Americans. Basically saying that for those 1 in 2 that own firearms, they more than likely own more than one. Becuase MURIKA.

[Kiknskreem]

Research published in 2010 in the American Journal of Law and Economics found that firearm homicides, in Australia, dropped 59 per cent between 1995 and 2006.

Wheres your rebuttal for that?

Criminals must be getting better at hiding the evidence.

[Carson92]

Misread some stats.

I meant that there are 9 firearms to every 10 Americans. Basically saying that for those 1 in 2 that own firearms, they more than likely own more than one. Becuase MURIKA.

9 firearms for every 10 Americans =/= 1 firearm for every 2 Americans. That is statistically wrong and skewing and assuming facts.

[srsnotsureif]

Anecdotal evidence should not play a huge influence in the deciding laws.

As oir old PM said...

The murder rate in the US is roughly four times that in each of Australia, New Zealand, and Britain. Even the most diehard supporter of guns must concede that America's lax firearms laws are a major part of the explanation for such a disparity.

Research published in 2010 in the American Journal of Law and Economics found that firearm homicides, in Australia, dropped 59 per cent between 1995 and 2006. There was no offsetting increase in non-firearm-related murders. Researchers at Harvard University in 2011 revealed that in the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102 deaths. There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur laws.

Wheres your rebuttal for that?

How about go phuck yourself? Thats my rebuttal. Why do you care?

[TrollingStoned]

How about go phuck yourself? Thats my rebuttal. Why do you care?

This is every gun argument at it's fundamental level.

[infrum]

How about go phuck yourself? Thats my rebuttal. Why do you care?

[srsnotsureif]

Reds gonna red.

Keep copy/pasting someone elses arguments.

[infrum]

Criminals must be getting better at hiding the evidence.

Well I imagine that such a fierce law would bolster Police efforts and contribute to an overall better Law Enforcement across Australia. If anything, these stats are even made more significant by the probability that Police would be able to report criminal activity more thoroughly than before.



BRB let's share a train of thought into America's hallmark. 'Statistics show the that over the past 30 years, the more gun ownership increased, the more the amount of reported crimes decreased.'

Because a Law Enforcememt agency would operate better when they're actily pursuing crimes commited amongst a nation where everyone has firearms? **** I wouldn't blame them if they're not there to report every crime. It's just an unrealistic expectation on such a stressed police force.

[infrum]

Reds gonna red.

Keep copy/pasting someone elses arguments.

How does it feel to pride yourself amongst a state that is now famously known for a twisted mass shooting? Up there along with columbine.