Understanding IIFYM (if it fits your macros)

[WonderPug]

IIFYM is basically the IQ test of the fitness world.

So true!!!

[alex2363]

This thread is epic. Wonderpug and JasonDB are awesome.

Edit: Holy shat, I posted this before I saw that last post. LMFAO!

In on thread.....

[alex2363]

That post should just replace the entire nutrition section.

Im with u on that

[alex2363]

There should be a IIFYM forum, all about IIFYM only. Who's in?

[BBqChicken1]

iifym doesnt work


trust me brah im jacked


ronaldo colman doesnt do it so

[n0useforaname]

What I've learned from Bodybuilding.com

- Sodium is bad
- Sugar is bad
- Pizza can only be made one way.. BAD
- Fast food is always bad and full of bad
- Supplements make you bigger than food
- Moderation is NOT an option
- Always eat "clean" and not "dirty"
- Green Peppers are always a better choice than Coke, even if you are athletic and hit your macros/micros for the day.
- Never use common sense, always listen to the guy who eats 10 cans of tuna a day, because he's ripped!
- Count your calories and what you intake but NEVER use IIFYM... it's stupid
- And finally... ERMEHGERD, PERP TERTS!

[naturalguy]

There should be a IIFYM forum, all about IIFYM only. Who's in?

that would be awesome, srs, this way all that talk can be in one section

[KouRon]

Or this could get stickied and all IIFYM discussion can be done here and not in over 9000 individual threads .

[JasonDB]

Or this could get stickied and all IIFYM discussion can be done here and not in over 9000 individual threads .

All sound nutritional advice is going to be based around the concept of hitting target numbers so honestly it would still be the main topic of the main nutrition forum even if it had its own forum or sticky so it is rather pointless.

[naturalguy]

All sound nutritional advice is going to be based around the concept of hitting target numbers so honestly it would still be the main topic of the main nutrition forum even if it had its own forum or sticky so it is rather pointless.

This is different because now it has a fancy acronym

[JasonDB]

This is different because now it has a fancy acronym

I would be happy to go back to calling it flexible dieting or even discretionary calories both very old concepts in bodybuilding nutrition. Again the problem with IIFYM as an acronym is that it is too simplistic and thus is an IQ test and requires people to think too hard which means it will breed ignorance and draw extremists. Flexible dieting is less confusing and was a good term on Lyle's part.

[naturalguy]

I would be happy to go back to calling it flexible dieting or even discretionary calories both very old concepts in bodybuilding nutrition. Again the problem with IIFYM as an acronym is that it is too simplistic and thus is an IQ test and requires people to think too hard which means it will breed ignorance and draw extremists. Flexible dieting is less confusing and was a good term on Lyle's part.

Agreed, it's been around forever, it's not a new concept. Bodybuilder's have been using different options for food since I can remember. I am going to show my age here but just to prove a point, back in the late 80's I went to a seminar with Vince Taylor (IFBB Pro) and through the whole seminar he drank a 2 liter, regular, fully leaded, Pepsi. When asked about it in the seminar he said he drank it all the time even during competition dieting. Not all bodybuilders only eat brown rice brahs.

To me the acronym is silly and I won't use it.

[JOSEF RAKICH]

Yes, I secretly mod all the IIIIIFFYYYMM threads


not srs

I am a temp mod in the Hell Raiser Training section only

[AlwaysTryin]

To me the acronym is silly and I won't use it.

This is exactly what I said earlier in the thread and have said since it arrived. I even petitioned to have the sticky on it removed cause it created 38271 threads a day

Stupid acronym + stupid people = ...

[TheEther24]

the OP is a good summation, but I honestly thought this was a generally understood concept for the most part, at least in this forum. When I logged in and saw a 5 star thread on first page with this title I thought it was a bump from 2010 or something. Josef, wasn't there a thread though a while back where you were against IIFYM and there was a lot of debate, or am I remembering incorrectly?

[paulosportz]

OooO nice.... Heres my own version
http://www.********.com/notes/paulos...21499684650046

[Juggertha]

You've been told wrong. Your body only reads cals & macros.

Look at it like this

Food 1: 20g protein (80 cals), 50g carbs (200 cals), 10g fat (90 cals)
Food 2: 20g protein (80 cals), 50g carbs (200 cals), 10g fat (90 cals)

These are real meals/foods that I consume. One is from McDonalds, and one is home made "healthy" foods (with carbs from low GI source).
Can you tell me which one is which?

I bought ground beef in a bag.

I also bought lean chicken breast in a bag.


Can you tell which from looking at the bags??

Doubt it.

There's obviously more to it than the simple breakdown you've given.

Agreed, it's been around forever, it's not a new concept. Bodybuilder's have been using different options for food since I can remember. I am going to show my age here but just to prove a point, back in the late 80's I went to a seminar with Vince Taylor (IFBB Pro) and through the whole seminar he drank a 2 liter, regular, fully leaded, Pepsi. When asked about it in the seminar he said he drank it all the time even during competition dieting. Not all bodybuilders only eat brown rice brahs.

To me the acronym is silly and I won't use it.

Did he also explain his cycling? The insulin or GH he was using? Chances are, he skipped over that part.

That's why I've never understood why people look towards Pros for dieting/supplement tips.

[necon76]

I bought ground beef in a bag.

I also bought lean chicken breast in a bag.


Can you tell which from looking at the bags??

Doubt it.

There's obviously more to it than the simple breakdown you've given.

Wat.

[dcdlm]

Wat.

wat x2

[Striation]

I bought ground beef in a bag.

I also bought lean chicken breast in a bag.


Can you tell which from looking at the bags??

Doubt it.

There's obviously more to it than the simple breakdown you've given.




Did he also explain his cycling? The insulin or GH he was using? Chances are, he skipped over that part.

That's why I've never understood why people look towards Pros for dieting/supplement tips.

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[PR1MO]

I bought ground beef in a bag.

I also bought lean chicken breast in a bag.


Can you tell which from looking at the bags??

Doubt it.

There's obviously more to it than the simple breakdown you've given.

[JOSEF RAKICH]

wat x2

wat x3

[layarph]

I bought ground beef in a bag.

I also bought lean chicken breast in a bag.


Can you tell which from looking at the bags??

Doubt it.

There's obviously more to it than the simple breakdown you've given.

You don't understand my point at all; this logic you have tried to compare it to, isn't the same logic that I used.

By using my example, just answer whether you can tell the difference between which food is which? Then we can discuss anything else. Can you tell the difference between those 2 meals from the information I gave you on the cal and macro breakdown?

[JasonDB]

I bought ground beef in a bag.

I also bought lean chicken breast in a bag.


Can you tell which from looking at the bags??

Doubt it.

There's obviously more to it than the simple breakdown you've given.




Did he also explain his cycling? The insulin or GH he was using? Chances are, he skipped over that part.

That's why I've never understood why people look towards Pros for dieting/supplement tips.

In the US, the UK and similar countries you can because the plastic bag is required by law to list the nutrition information and the weight of the meat. If companies are caught mislabeling they pay huge fines to the government.

Pros didn't use hgh and insulin in the 1980's.

[BBqChicken1]

In the US, the UK and similar countries you can because the plastic bag is required by law to list the nutrition information and the weight of the meat. If companies are caught mislabeling they pay huge fines to the government.

Pros didn't use hgh and insulin in the 1980's.

They ate sugar to spike their insulin to ultra anabolic levels..

[naturalguy]

Did he also explain his cycling? The insulin or GH he was using? Chances are, he skipped over that part.

That's why I've never understood why people look towards Pros for dieting/supplement tips.

He was pretty honest about "supplements", it was long time ago and I don't remember exactly what he said.


As far as the pros, never mind the "supplements", you are talking about the genetic elite so you are correct that a lot of what they do does not apply to the average person however you can learn some common things that they do that you can apply and adjust to your own goals.

[JasonDB]

He was pretty honest about "supplements", it was long time ago and I don't remember exactly what he said.


As far as the pros, never mind the "supplements", you are talking about the genetic elite so you are correct that a lot of what they do does not apply to the average person however you can learn some common things that they do that you can apply and adjust to your own goals.

It would have been a short list, they didn't have many different things available in the 80's to be fair.

Also your point regarding the genetic elite has to be taken into consideration also when it comes to many of their methods.

[naturalguy]

It would have been a short list, they didn't have many different things available in the 80's to be fair.

Also your point regarding the genetic elite has to be taken into consideration also when it comes to many of their methods.

Absolutely, most of these guys are born to build muscle, you can't just copy their diets, training and "supplements" and expect to look anything like them

[JasonDB]

Absolutely, most of these guys are born to build muscle, you can't just copy their diets, training and "supplements" and expect to look anything like them

Look at Zyzz... guy used real close to IFBB amounts of supplementation, ate like many pros, trained like many pros... looked good but I doubt he would have won a pro card.

[naturalguy]

Look at Zyzz... guy used real close to IFBB amounts of supplementation, ate like many pros, trained like many pros... looked good but I doubt he would have won a pro card.

I know guys in my local gym that take as much as some of the pros and look nothing like them