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    "White rice better than brown rice because of anti nutrients in brown rice" True?

    I was reading a couple of websites that say brown rice contains phytic acid, which makes it less healthy than white rice they say. Here's one of them: http://nutritiondiva.quickanddirtyti...hite-rice.aspx

    Now those websites don't look like the most reliable to me but still I'd like to know if this is true.

    If so I might just replace brown rice with white rice.
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    just eat what rice you like better. brown is good, white is good.
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    Never mix white and brown rice...

    nutrients + antinutrients = catastrophic explosion
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    Originally Posted by SuffolkPunch View Post
    Never mix white and brown rice...

    nutrients + antinutrients = catastrophic explosion
    LOL!!

    I mix brown and black rice sometimes. I'll stay away from my rice cooker while it is cooking in case it explodes
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    Brown rice is probably better because it is a complex carbohydrate. There are so many "scientific" studies that could try to prove or disprove this. Eat whatever rice you like. I prefer white, but I've always eaten brown because most would say it's the better nutritional option.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    I was reading a couple of websites that say brown rice contains phytic acid, which makes it less healthy than white rice they say. Here's one of them: http://nutritiondiva.quickanddirtyti...hite-rice.aspx

    Now those websites don't look like the most reliable to me but still I'd like to know if this is true.

    If so I might just replace brown rice with white rice.
    Alan Aragon posted a study showing this a while ago (it was in a Paleo thread if you want to find it), so eat white rice if you prefer it. I know I sure as hell prefer white rice. Brown rice is groce.
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    Alan Aragon posted a study showing this a while ago (it was in a Paleo thread if you want to find it), so eat white rice if you prefer it. I know I sure as hell prefer white rice. Brown rice is groce.
    Would definitely like to read that. Can you point me towards it?

    I only found a Paleo thread in the female section:
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    ^^^ See:

    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    Re: brown rice vs white, technically, brown rice would be a slightly inferior choice to white rice from the standpoint of nutrient bioavailability & nitrogen retention.


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    Comparison of the nutritional value between brown rice and white rice

    Callegaro Mda D, Tirapegui J. Arq Gastroenterol. 1996 Oct-Dec;33(4):225-31.

    Cereals are considered an important source of nutrients both in human and animal nourishment. In this paper nutritional value of brown rice is compared to that of white rice in relation to nutrients. Results show that despite higher nutrients contents of brown rice compared to white rice, experimental data does not provide evidence that the brown rice diet is better than the diet based on white rice. Possible antinutritional factors present in brown rice have adverse effects on bioavailability of this cereal nutrients.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9...ubmed_RVDocSum

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    Effects of brown rice on apparent digestibility and balance of nutrients in young men on low protein diets

    J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 1987 Jun;33(3):207-18. .Miyoshi H, Okuda T, Okuda K, Koishi H.

    The effect of brown rice with low protein intake was studied in five healthy young men. Feces were weighed, the digestibility of nutrients was determined, and blood tests were made. Each subject followed a diet consisting mainly of polished rice for 14 days and one consisting mainly of brown rice for 8 days. Both diets contained 0.5 g protein per kg of body weight. The brown rice diet had 3 times as much dietary fiber as the polished rice diet. On the brown rice diet, fecal weight increased, and apparent digestibility of energy, protein, and fat decreased, as did the absorption rates of Na, K, and P. The nitrogen balance was negative on both diets, but more negative on the brown rice diet. The phosphorus balance on the brown rice diet was significantly negative, but other minerals were not affected by the diet. The levels of cholesterol and minerals in the plasma were not significantly different on the polished rice diet and the brown rice diet. Comparing these results with data on standard protein intake (Miyoshi, H. et al (1986) J. Nutr. Sci. Vitaminol., 32, 581-589.), we concluded that brown rice reduced protein digestibility and nitrogen balance.

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    Great. I'll be having some white rice starting tomorrow.
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    If you're at risk for type 2 diabetes stick with the brown rice. Pretty much the only published science I've seen on it. Now the question... brown rice or white rice with my pwo chipotle bowl tonight.
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    Originally Posted by iviicrociot View Post
    If you're at risk for type 2 diabetes stick with the brown rice. Pretty much the only published science I've seen on it. Now the question... brown rice or white rice with my pwo chipotle bowl tonight.
    If you're at risk for diabetes it won't matter what type of rice you eat. If you're not at risk for diabetes, it still won't matter what type of rice you eat.
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    Originally Posted by iviicrociot View Post
    If you're at risk for type 2 diabetes stick with the brown rice. Pretty much the only published science I've seen on it. Now the question... brown rice or white rice with my pwo chipotle bowl tonight.
    If you're referring to what I think you're referring to:

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    Was referring to bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e1454 a study that supports white rice increasing risk in type 2 diabetes and

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3024208/ supporting that brown rice reduces the risk.

    Anyway, not a doctor, but they are.
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    This thred again........ Yawn
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    When reheating rice, remember to make sure it is steaming hot.

    Otherwise, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacillus_cereus bacillus cereus can be an issue.

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    Originally Posted by iviicrociot View Post
    Was referring to bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e1454 a study that supports white rice increasing risk in type 2 diabetes and

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3024208/ supporting that brown rice reduces the risk.

    Anyway, not a doctor, but they are.
    Did you read my post from another thread I linked to? It included the following:

    Men and women who had high white rice intake were less likely to have European ancestry or to smoke and more likely to have a family history of diabetes.

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    brown rice intake was not associated with ethnicity but with a more health-conscious lifestyle and dietary profile. For example, participants with higher brown rice intake were more physically active, leaner, less likely to smoke or have a family history of diabetes, and had higher intake of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains and lower intake of red meat and trans fat.
    People who eat brown rice generally do so because they're health conscious. They're more physically active, leaner, less likely to smoke or have a family history of diabetes, and had higher intake of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains and lower intake of red meat and trans fat. How on Earth can one cherry pick that it's the brown rice making people less likely to develop diabetes and how can a researcher possibly adjust for all of those differences? Or are you going to stick with "not a doctor, but they are" and accept any of their conclusions?
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    Originally Posted by x-ray vision View Post
    People who eat brown rice generally do so because they're health conscious. They're more physically active, leaner, less likely to smoke or have a family history of diabetes, and had higher intake of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains and lower intake of red meat and trans fat. How on Earth can one cherry pick that it's the brown rice making people less likely to develop diabetes and how can a researcher possibly adjust for all of those differences? Or are you going to stick with "not a doctor, but they are" and accept any of their conclusions?
    Exactly my thoughts, however, considering that it has been published by the BMJ, and has a relatively interesting conclusion, I think some more research should be performed before I make I conclusion on whether white rice causes diabetes. But the idea will linger in the back of my head....
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    Originally Posted by bobdole12 View Post
    however, considering that it has been published by the BMJ, and has a relatively interesting conclusion
    Who published it and what conclusion was drawn is much less relevant than the facts that were used. The conclusion is based on cherry-picking one of multiple known correlations (not to mention that studies based on correlation are among the weakest kind).

    BTW, the conclusion is that brown rice "may lower risk of type 2 diabetes". They could have concluded that before they started.
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    Originally Posted by x-ray vision View Post
    Who published it and what conclusion was drawn is much less relevant than the facts that were used. The conclusion is ridiculous as it's based on cherry-picking a particular correlation (not to mention that conclusions based on correlation are among the weakest kind).
    That's exactly how epidemiology works, and is a vital start to coming up with a successful hypothesis and successful research. The hygiene hypothesis and asthma is a good example of this, as is genetical work, cherry-picking certain weak correlations and expanding the research into these. BMJ published because the stats are good, and anything with a dose response increases it's chance that it could be cause-effect.
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    That's exactly how epidemiology works, and is a vital start to coming up with a successful hypothesis and successful research.
    With all of those known risk factors for diabetes belonging to one group, I don't see how anyone with half a brain would support further research based on it. Anyway, I'm not talking about coming up with a hypothesis or whether further research should be done. My purpose in posting was awaring iviicrociot that concluding anything from that study regarding brown rice consumption lowering the risk for diabetes makes no sense based on the facts given in the study.
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    Originally Posted by x-ray vision View Post
    With all of those known risk factors for diabetes belonging to one group, I don't see how anyone with half a brain would support further research based on it. Anyway, I'm not talking about coming up with a hypothesis or whether further research should be done. My purpose in posting was awaring iviicrociot that concluding anything from that study regarding brown rice consumption lowering the risk for diabetes makes no sense based on the facts given in the study.
    I do admit we are going off-topic. And I was not stating that your advice in this thread was incorrect I was merely saying that a statement like this:-

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    I'm thinking the problem isn't the white rice.
    cannot be ruled out without further research. The problem may be white rice, the evidence is not strong enough to prove that it is, yet.
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    Originally Posted by bobdole12 View Post
    The problem may be white rice, the evidence is not strong enough to prove that it is, yet.
    The problems are known risk factors belonging to one group. Can any other particular thing also be a problem? Of course it can be. But I don't need that study to tell me that.
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    Isn't it safe to say though that white rice has a higher glycemic index than brown rice and starches that cause a rapid increase in blood sugar levels also cause insulin levels to rise more rapidly which has been associated with the onset of type 2 diabetes? I'm not demonizing white rice at all... the majority of the world's population depends on it for sustenance. I'm not saying that brown rice has more nutritional value or that it is superior to white rice. Was simply stating that white rice inherently poses a higher risk to those predisposed to diabetes than does brown rice because of the glycemic value. This would be the same argument made against white potatoes or sweet potatoes, white bread vs whole grain. Of course people who are bodybuilding don't care because a carb is a carb in their macro count. But, gastronomy would beg to differ when it comes to those sensitive to insulin and that's really the only circumstance I can see where brown rice may be a better choice than white rice based off of what we know.
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    Originally Posted by iviicrociot View Post
    Isn't it safe to say though that white rice has a higher glycemic index than brown rice and starches that cause a rapid increase in blood sugar levels also cause insulin levels to rise more rapidly which has been associated with the onset of type 2 diabetes?
    No. How many people eat white rice alone and in a fasted state?

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    Originally Posted by x-ray vision View Post
    No. How many people eat white rice alone and in a fasted state?

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    About 3 billion people, nearly half the world's population, depend on rice for survival. You know, all those people that fast because there's nothing to eat.
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    Originally Posted by iviicrociot View Post
    About 3 billion people, nearly half the world's population, depend on rice for survival. You know, all those people that fast because there's nothing to eat.
    http://www.patentlens.net/daisy/Rice...3649/3591.html
    GI is quite the myth. X-ray vision is referring to studies showing how GI affects insulin response, most of which are performed in a heavily fasted state.

    You are correct in stating that quite a lot of the population rely on rice as a mainstay of their diet. Interestingly, half the population do not have type 2 diabetes mellitus. High GI food, in it's nature, is also extremely calorific when eaten in large amounts. Large amounts of calories is associated with type 2 diabetes. Therefore, high GI food is naturally going to be associated with type 2 diabetes, until someone does a detailed study comparing equal calorific diets comparing high GI food vs low GI food, which is going to a bitch to perform.
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    Originally Posted by iviicrociot View Post
    About 3 billion people, nearly half the world's population, depend on rice for survival.
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    1. The first sentence after this: "About 3 billion people, nearly half the world's population, depend on rice for survival." is this: "In Asia as a whole, much of the population consumes rice in every meal." Even getting 30% of your calories from something else is going to render the GI of rice alone meaningless.

    2. This is a bodybuilding website. People that are reading this board generally are not depending on rice for survival. I'm going to estimate that that applies to 100% of the people here.

    3. If all you can get for the majority of your meals is white rice, worrying about getting diabetes should be among the least of your problems.
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    So why choose whole grains at all then? The same argument the OP makes can be applied to bleached enriched flour vs whole grain bread. http://www.naturalnews.com/030304_wh...ytic_acid.html Seems like a lot of people on bodybuilding.com advocate whole grain bread when bread is an option in people's diets.
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    Originally Posted by iviicrociot View Post
    So why choose whole grains at all then? The same argument the OP makes can be applied to bleached enriched flour vs whole grain bread. http://www.naturalnews.com/030304_wh...ytic_acid.html Seems like a lot of people on bodybuilding.com advocate whole grain bread when bread is an option in people's diets.
    Eat either. Phytic acid is not a major issue. Whole grain bread is a good source of fibre in my opinion, and fibre is vital.
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