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    Is milk good or bad i'm not sure

    After reading this article and many like it /saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/ im not sure anymore.What are you guys thoughts on that ? youtube.com/watch?v=DTo5TulJLU8 . I'm sorry i cant post links only 7 posts please check them out.
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    I'm not sure about the scientific studies, such as the one that states milk consumption in the 20s drastically increases hip fractures in old age. Hard to isolate one thing across 45+ years where surely the subjects weren't monitored and the study across a broad group. There is blood and bacteria in milk, but damn does it mix well with my protein shake and cereal. Watch Food Inc. it'll **** with you if this bothered you. youtube.com/watch?v=QqQVll-MP3I&feature=BFa&list=PLEAF4E0AB414DD7B7
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    Milk is fine. I'm pretty sure infants are fed milk as their primary source of energy and nutrients.
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    Originally Posted by iviicrociot View Post
    I'm not sure about the scientific studies, such as the one that states milk consumption in the 20s drastically increases hip fractures in old age. Hard to isolate one thing across 45+ years where surely the subjects weren't monitored and the study across a broad group. There is blood and bacteria in milk, but damn does it mix well with my protein shake and cereal. Watch Food Inc. it'll **** with you if this bothered you. youtube.com/watch?v=QqQVll-MP3I&feature=BFa&list=PLEAF4E0AB414DD7B7
    Wow This is more scary then a horror movie. Oh well then i guess i should drink my milk and not worry about it lol.
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    can't imagine my diet without milk
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    I saw a study somewhere that says - "It does a body good!" Just be careful to avoid the mustaches it can create....for some reason when people drink milk their mustache doesn't match their normal hair color.
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    I don't drink milk for this reason: http://www.cancerproject.org/surviva...tate_dairy.php
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    Stop putting foods into "good" and "bad" categories. The context of the entire diet is vastly more important than individual foods.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    I don't drink milk for this reason: http://www.cancerproject.org/surviva...tate_dairy.php
    Men who choose to avoid dairy products reap other nutritional benefits, such as a reduction in total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol intake.

    Hehehe. Barnard is a vegan with a clear bias. Gotta sell those books.
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    I liek milk.
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    Originally Posted by necon76 View Post
    I liek milk.
    "I can't stand milk and dairy! Imma bodybuild without that crap!

    Oh snap, I'm down to 30lbs of whey. I'd better order more! Oh, and it's my cheat day, so I'd better pick up some ice cream and yogurt to go with my cheeseburger and buttered baked potato."
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    Well if milk is bad then I'm phucked
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    In B4 milk is for babies
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    Originally Posted by Andrew_S View Post
    Men who choose to avoid dairy products reap other nutritional benefits, such as a reduction in total fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol intake.

    Hehehe. Barnard is a vegan with a clear bias. Gotta sell those books.
    Yeah not the best site. It was the first link that came up. Harvard is a better source.
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...ory/index.html
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    Yeah not the best site. It was the first link that came up. Harvard is a better source.
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...ory/index.html
    Their reasoning for not getting calcium from milk...


    Lactose Intolerance

    If you're lactose intolerant, why would you drink milk? I have a friend allergic to peanuts, so I shouldn't eat peanuts?

    High Saturated Fat Content

    Not even going to bother...

    Possible Increased Risk of Ovarian Cancer

    Without digging into this, how does this effect a male...? And...

    No statistically significant associations were observed between intakes of milk, cheese, yogurt, ice cream, and dietary and total calcium intake and risk of ovarian cancer. Higher lactose intakes comparing ≥30 versus <10 g/d were associated with a statistically significant higher risk of ovarian cancer, although the trend was not statistically significant (pooled multivariate relative risk, 1.19; 95% confidence interval, 1.01-1.40; Ptrend = 0.19). Associations for endometrioid, mucinous, and serous ovarian cancer were similar to the overall findings.

    Discussion: Overall, no associations were observed for intakes of specific dairy foods or calcium and ovarian cancer risk. A modest elevation in the risk of ovarian cancer was seen for lactose intake at the level that was equivalent to three or more servings of milk per day. Because a new dietary guideline recommends two to three servings of dairy products per day, the relation between dairy product consumption and ovarian cancer risk at these consumption levels deserves further examination.


    Probable Increased Risk of Prostate Cancer

    The referenced studies for this one were based on questionnaires sent to various people.
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    In nine separate studies, the strongest and most consistent dietary factor linked with prostate cancer was high consumption of milk or dairy products. In the largest of these, the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study, men who drank two or more glasses of milk a day were almost twice as likely to develop advanced or metastatic (spreading) prostate cancer as those who didn’t drink milk at all.
    http://www.health.harvard.edu/newswe...r_and_diet.htm

    PS. this study was done with over fifty thousand male health professionals, who are probably, in my opinion, capable of filling out questionnaires reasonably accurate.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    Yeah not the best site. It was the first link that came up. Harvard is a better source.
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...ory/index.html
    OP forget the link you provided in the top as it's full of bias and crap!! This ^^ link is a much better source, and Mrpb, I don't know if you've read the link you provided, but it encourages moderate dairy consumption.
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    Originally Posted by rand18m View Post
    OP forget the link you provided in the top as it's full of bias and crap!! This ^^ link is a much better source, and Mrpb, I don't know if you've read the link you provided, but it encourages moderate dairy consumption.
    Yes I did read it. See the quote in my post above for more info.
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    I'm posted up all I'm going to. That link goes into the risks of a high fat diets consisting of red meat. It's the harvard site again...they don't link references to anything, so it wouldn't be that strange to assume they're using the same ones I already talked about above. There isn't any way to tell how and why they came up with their recommendations on that page. It's fine, I get it, you don't want to drink milk. It's cool.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    Yes I did read it. See the quote in my post above for more info.
    Like so many here you pick and choose information to fit your bias. Perhaps you should have posted the entire paragraph for a more complete picture, i.e. that the paragraph discussing studies linking dairy and prostate cancer were specifically targeting dietary calcium and not dairy per se, and it also states that that information is preliminary and much more work is needed. Also the recommendations at the end of the article suggests moderate dairy consumption in a diet that provides calcium until more clear recommendations can be made because to date nobody truly knows what the optimal recommendation is and what has been used may be too high.

    Please don't pick and chose your information to fit your bias.
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    Originally Posted by Andrew_S View Post
    I'm posted up all I'm going to. That link goes into the risks of a high fat diets consisting of red meat. It's the harvard site again...they don't link references to anything, so it wouldn't be that strange to assume they're using the same ones I already talked about above. There isn't any way to tell how and why they came up with their recommendations on that page. It's fine, I get it, you don't want to drink milk. It's cool.
    You must have gotten redirected as it took me to an article that is specific to dietary calcium and it references everything. No discussion of high fat and red meat.
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    Originally Posted by rand18m View Post
    You must have gotten redirected as it took me to an article that is specific to dietary calcium and it references everything. No discussion of high fat and red meat.
    The link I quoted was

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/newswe...r_and_diet.htm

    I'll check it again when I'm not on the iPod, but didn't see anything beyond that. Thanks for the heads up.
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    Originally Posted by Andrew_S View Post
    The link I quoted was

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/newswe...r_and_diet.htm

    I'll check it again when I'm not on the iPod, but didn't see anything beyond that. Thanks for the heads up.
    Nope the mistake is mine, I got his two links mixed up, sorry for the confusion!
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    Originally Posted by rand18m View Post
    Like so many here you pick and choose information to fit your bias. Perhaps you should have posted the entire paragraph for a more complete picture.
    I understand that's what it may seem like but I only quoted the part that influenced my decision to give up dairy.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    I understand that's what it may seem like but I only quoted the part that influenced my decision to give up dairy.
    You only quoted what you wanted to hear, which is nothing more than bias and has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. If you are going to site anything, you have to take into account the conclusions you don't like or didn't expect. You have decided milk is bad for reason X, the article makes mention of reason X, so therefore you feel good about that conclusion being accurate, when the conclusion from your article was to use dairy products moderately as a good source of calcium. Just the opposite of what you wanted to hear!

    Now you understand?
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    Randm18, maybe I didn't explain myself very clearly. I'll try it again. I personally don't drink milk because higher milk intake has been relatively consistently associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer.

    I in no way meant to suggest that people should follow Harvard's advice. There for I did not quote it.
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    Originally Posted by Mrpb View Post
    Randm18, maybe I didn't explain myself very clearly. I'll try it again. I personally don't drink milk because higher milk intake has been relatively consistently associated with an increased risk of prostate cancer.

    I in no way meant to suggest that people should follow Harvard's advice. There for I did not quote it.
    Unfortunately I'm not the one missing the point, but oh well. Have a good day!
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