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    Runners

    I've recently started having sore knees here and there, even though I'm not even that experienced a runner - best 1 mile time = 7 min 30, best 2 mile = 17.30 ( or there abouts)

    anyway, i decided i would start running on grass as it's meant to be lower impact; but it seems with current climates, that just leaves shoes soaking wet (literally) and covered in mud. Whats the alternative though?

    concrete is clean but high impact on joints
    grass is wet/messy but not as damaging

    is there anything that can be done to clean/dry shoes out in a few hours time? or any alternative to grass? Now is the time to be upset.
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    Try getting fitted for running shoes by a reputable shop. Proper footwear could help joint problems. How many miles per week?
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    Just an idea but you could look into some coaching as well. I personally hate running but I do know many people that run with crappy technique which puts additional stress on certain joints.

    Anyway, here's a couple running articles to chew on that I found interesting.

    http://articles.elitefts.com/trainin...-human-part-1/
    http://articles.elitefts.com/trainin...-kenyan-story/
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    Originally Posted by cnh57811 View Post
    Try getting fitted for running shoes by a reputable shop. Proper footwear could help joint problems. How many miles per week?
    I figure im an over pronator, just bought a pair of addidas falcon elites which should be okay. Cant really afford 150+ on shoes, especially if running on muddy/waterlogged grass.
    Only run about 10 - 15 miles a week.
    This week only 3 miles in because my shoes got waterlogged and have been drying since monday.
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    Originally Posted by j1akey View Post
    Just an idea but you could look into some coaching as well. I personally hate running but I do know many people that run with crappy technique which puts additional stress on certain joints.

    Anyway, here's a couple running articles to chew on that I found interesting.

    http://articles.elitefts.com/trainin...-human-part-1/
    http://articles.elitefts.com/trainin...-kenyan-story/
    nice, thanks
    I'll give those a read
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    run on concrete, get good running shoes, good synthetic socks. If you get sore, stop and rest, let it heal to get stronger...then continue. If you have never ran, you should expect to have all sorts of problems because your body has never done that activity, running is super easy once you get past the starting issues.
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    Originally Posted by Serpentarius View Post
    run on concrete, get good running shoes, good synthetic socks. If you get sore, stop and rest, let it heal to get stronger...then continue. If you have never ran, you should expect to have all sorts of problems because your body has never done that activity, running is super easy once you get past the starting issues.
    As an avid runner I can confirm this.
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    Originally Posted by Serpentarius View Post
    run on concrete, get good running shoes, good synthetic socks. If you get sore, stop and rest, let it heal to get stronger...then continue. If you have never ran, you should expect to have all sorts of problems because your body has never done that activity, running is super easy once you get past the starting issues.
    I'm a little bit concerned about long term damage from continuous high impact concrete steps? arent damaged joints and ligaments fairly common among those who frequently run on concrete? - something like 2.4x the body weight coming down on the knee join each step (cant remember source)
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    Originally Posted by PopAteMyHeart View Post
    As an avid runner I can confirm this.
    The only running you do is to the pop tart aisle

    Originally Posted by Flexz0r View Post
    I'm a little bit concerned about long term damage from continuous high impact concrete steps? arent damaged joints and ligaments fairly common among those who frequently run on concrete? - something like 2.4x the body weight coming down on the knee join each step (cant remember source)
    Run with correct form and you will find there is no impact. Are you actually trying to become a runner? If not then dont run and just do some other low impact cardio, there is no point in running if you dont want to get good at it.
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    Originally Posted by Serpentarius View Post
    The only running you do is to the pop tart aisle
    Lmao I was hoping you'd see my comment
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    Originally Posted by Serpentarius View Post
    The only running you do is to the pop tart aisle


    Run with correct form and you will find there is no impact. Are you actually trying to become a runner? If not then dont run and just do some other low impact cardio, there is no point in running if you dont want to get good at it.
    I fairly enjoy it so would really use running to maintain good health, don't really play any sports and hate public swimming pools lol
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    Ok well since you want to do it, if they are sore, wait til 90% of the pain/soreness has subsided, then go back out. The body needs to strengthen the ligaments and tendons that are basically atrophied since the body is meant to be a running body and you may experience joint pain and chronic soreness at the tibia until you "break in" your body.
    Slowly increase your mileage once you get comfortable and learn how to control breathing, run with better form, etc...if you get tired too fast early in a run, its because you are running too fast. Even with the times you posted you should be able to get a 5k non stop around 25 mins which is decent for a beginner if you pace yourself. Just be patient since getting started is the hard part.
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    Originally Posted by Serpentarius View Post
    If you get sore, stop and rest, let it heal to get stronger...then continue. If you have never ran, you should expect to have all sorts of problems because your body has never done that activity, running is super easy once you get past the starting issues.
    Strong this. You also made mention in other post in this thread about SLOWLY increasing mileage which is the smartest thing you can do. I have seen countless injuries and even had some myself from being a bit over zealous and pushing the body to run more and more when its not ready for it.
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    When you run, do you land with the heel first (heel strike)?
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    If you have a track close by (local high school perhaps), sometimes it's made of a softer material. My old high school installed a new track and football field; the field itself is turf, and the surrounding track is some type of rubbery material that is definitely lower impact than concrete or asphalt. No idea what you have in your area, but if you're lucky that might be another option for you.
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    Originally Posted by deebee83 View Post
    If you have a track close by (local high school perhaps), sometimes it's made of a softer material. My old high school installed a new track and football field; the field itself is turf, and the surrounding track is some type of rubbery material that is definitely lower impact than concrete or asphalt. No idea what you have in your area, but if you're lucky that might be another option for you.
    ^This. Every indoor(and most outdoor) tracks I have ever been to are made of the hard rubber, which is much lower impact than concrete and asphalt.
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    Running is great but some people's bodies handle it better than others.

    If you have serious goals in running (e.g. compete in fun runs etc) , then i agree you have to run on the road and build up your volume and intensity SLOWLY. The problem a lot of people encounter is that runnngwise, their cardio vascular system improves it's condiitoning faster than their muscular skeletal system and that is when injuries occur.

    If you are running just for cardio for your physique goals then i see no harm running on grass or on a treadmill.
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