I am currently 380 pounds. Maybe more, because my scale has broken, laugh, because I did.
I am way out of shape, obviously. I am only 5'9, so I assume my BMI calculates to 56.1.
Basically, I have just cut out all soda from my daily life. I cannot walk much, as since I am so large, my inner thighs will cause a great deal of friction, which leads to scabs, cuts, and a great deal of pain.
I have convinced myself to eat Subway, like Jared. Is this a good or bad move?
Once I lose a nice amount of weight lost, I can do regular activities everyone else can do and I will become incredibly active.
I have read through a few threads here at B&B, and have browsed the main site, but can anyone offer their own insight or advice?
Thank you.
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Thread: 380 Pounds to 200 pounds, help.
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04-02-2007, 07:20 PM #1
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380 Pounds to 200 pounds, help.
August 2008 - 345lbs
January 2009 - 310lbs
June 2009 - 275
July 2009 - 264
Current Goal - 230
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04-02-2007, 08:52 PM #2
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/David630lbs/
This guy started at 630 lbs and managed to do it, never doubt for a second that you can also. Do what exercise you can for now, even if its not walking try to think of something that you can do without hurting yourself a lot. You can also try putting some kind of lube like vaseline on your thighs to help out with friction a bit. At your size you will start to see the weight fly off by fixing your diet alone. Subway is an alright place to start, I personally eat a lot of subs but you still have to be smart about it. I normally get tuna or chicken on whole wheat with cheese, lettuce, ranch, tomato, hot sauce, pickets & cucumber, turns out to be about 450 calories for a 6' which isn't bad.
The nice thing about your weight is your body really wants to get rid of it, and the amount of fat:muscle you are losing will be high for a while. This still doesn't mean you can skip on protein and expect to keep muscle, but I don't think that 1 g protein/lb bodyweight will be necessary.
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04-02-2007, 09:01 PM #3
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At you're weight, you would want to eat im guessing 2700 calories or less a day. Im not sure, I didn't run you're weight through a calculator, but just try that, and keep a journal of everything you eat, on ms excel or word. I'm trying to lose a little bit of belly fat as well. The way I look at it is, the sooner you start, the sooner you will finish and look good.
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04-02-2007, 09:29 PM #5
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Inner thigh chafing is probally the worst thing out there. I know, I still deal with it, and I know a good amount of other people - those who are acutally big and muscular around the leg area, also have the problem.
The solution is either some sort of lubricant - there are some spray on things you can get in the BB.com store, or, my favorite, spandex. Any material that confirms to the skin as well as provides an easy gliding surface which eliminates the friction there.
Same thing goes for tops. With my big man boobs, running in t-shirts really chaffed my nipples - no joke, so eventually I got myself some spandex - both pants and shirt, and wear them under the gym clothes, and the chafing and irritation is gone.
The idea there is to reduce friction - smooth feeling materials which do not move much (allowing for skin on skin contact between the thighs) are the best.
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04-02-2007, 10:18 PM #8
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http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1725271
Im doing it....read about how.....
Im taller and started out a bit lighter and im not even close to being done yet but it isnt as hard as you think.
Post any questions on my log I can explain to you everything I do in like a 3 page email...it isnt rocket science.
1st get the knowledge....
Then decide if its time or not...(I bitched about my weigh for 1.5 years before I actually was ready to do it)
Then just go at it in a smart gradual way....
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04-02-2007, 10:40 PM #9
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04-03-2007, 04:58 AM #10
think of it this way dude, the heavier you are, the easier it is to lose weight. because
1 - u can eat a fair amount of food
2 - the fatter you are, the faster you lose weight in the beginning
3 - you'll see progress fairly fast so you'll be pumped for more and more
i mean, at 380 hell u could be eating 4000 calories and still lose weight... lol! i gotta eat 2500, so that sucks
about subway, when i first decided to lose weight, i would eat subway everyday pretty much (i started over the summer and I worked full time, so for lunch i would go to subway) that worked fine for me. I lost over 50lbs.. from 211lbs to 160lbs.
so, start slowly, build a decent diet, and hit the gym! im sure you'll do fine, and trust me, you wont regret it!
good luck to ya!Inho ~
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04-03-2007, 07:13 AM #11
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Thanks everyone for your insight and advice
Involved in my job, I walk alot during the morning, so I am sure that will help me alot with this diet I will be pursuing
I don't want to consume 4,000 calories, I want to cut back right away and loose as much as possible, as quick as possible, whether it be healthy or not, I am sure me being at this current weight is more unhealthy than me loosing weight quickly.
This is quite funny, because I can't look at myself and say I weigh 380 pounds, I seriously do not look that heavy, I would say I look 250 at max
I recently had pictures taken which displayed me at a farther distance away, and I looked like a whale. I guess the mirror lies to us allAugust 2008 - 345lbs
January 2009 - 310lbs
June 2009 - 275
July 2009 - 264
Current Goal - 230
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04-03-2007, 07:16 AM #12
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04-03-2007, 07:26 AM #15
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Yes, I plan on eating subway, which should equal out to about 2000 calories a day, give or take on what I choose to eat, not including drinks and whatnot
I am trying to stay away from as much sugar as possible, such as contained in soda, and either drinking diet soda, or water.August 2008 - 345lbs
January 2009 - 310lbs
June 2009 - 275
July 2009 - 264
Current Goal - 230
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04-03-2007, 07:59 AM #16
Well at least you've decided to make these positive changes, just get all the info you can on fat loss, read the threads, read websites, ask ppl who know what they're on about, the more you know, the further you go. cheesy but true.
Also, progress will be slow, trust me, but as long as you stick with it, you're gonna start seein the improvements, and for example in the future when you've lost 3 stone you can think to yourself, imagine if i hadnt made those changes, I wouldnt have lost the weight and I probably would have put on three stone, its just little things like that that will help keep you on the right track. Also, get yourself a real diet, fair enough you want to eat at subway, so find out what you're gonna be eating, when you're gonna eat it, how many calories it has etc, good luck man.
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04-03-2007, 08:00 AM #17
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04-03-2007, 09:52 AM #18
I started out at 315... i ate a subway for lunch b/c it was close and fairly healthy. dropped sodas, fast food, and things with a lot of sodium. I also eat things like grilled chicken using a foreman grill(makes it easy) green beans and peas with no added salt, any lean meats, and 100% whole wheat breads... I dropped a ton of weight in a hurry. Right now though im going slower so i can keep my muscle. I was also doing 1 hour of cardio every morning on an empty stomach and waiting about an hour after b4 i ate. then did weightlifting in the evenings.
Hope this helps you out in some way. Good Luck Man!!Gamecocks/Broncos/Braves
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04-03-2007, 09:59 AM #19
1. I was nearly where you are last may (365lbs) and after much trial and error and doing it the wrong way first then correcting my course, I stand today at 308lbs, and still dropping. If I can do this, you can do this.
2. Make sure to get enough food, I know this sounds really wierd, but under eating is the absolute worst thing you can do right now as you will lose a lot of what muscle you do have (I know, I started there, I was worse off as far as being able to walk without being winded and strength after I lost 40lbs than when I started and I had to put loss on hold for a while to rebuild muscle while staying about the same weight)
3. Do what exercise you can, as you start to lose, up the exercise, and remember, walking and other cardio is not the extent of the exercise. Go to a gym or a friends house or whatever and LIFT, lift heavy. Lifting is actually more benificial to fat loss than cardio, plus at our size, we can do some killer negative BW loads to build muscle with (one of one upside I have found to being grossly overweight)
4. Good luck and keep us updated man.A diplomat . . . is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip. - Caskie Stinnett
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04-03-2007, 10:23 AM #20
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Thank you, I hope to the same as you, and I also hope to lose a ton of weight in little time, all this weight needs to go, I am tired of being large (and in charge )
Under eating Since I am 380, means I consume 5700 calories daily, maybe more if I am gaining weight, I don't know, broke the scale
I am working on consuming about 3000 calories a day. I can walk, but not long periods of time as soon the chaffing of the inner thigh will occur. I cannot imagine what running would do.
I want to lose some weight before I start building muscle, it will only delay my weight loss, once I lose some of the fat, I will feel comfortable gaining muscle, while continuing the weight loss.August 2008 - 345lbs
January 2009 - 310lbs
June 2009 - 275
July 2009 - 264
Current Goal - 230
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04-03-2007, 10:49 AM #21
forget the entire idea of weight loss... your goal should be FAT loss. If you drop from 380lbs and (to use an abitrary number here) 50-60% bodyfat to 300lbs and 60-70% bodyfat you are much worse off (and going down the bad road that I went downto start where I wanted to lose weight and didn't care what it was)... Muscle is the key to fat loss, and fat loss, not weight loss, makes you healthier.
gaining and maintaining muscle, both of which require a protein rich balanced diet and heavy weight training, are the keys to getting healtier and losing fat (which leads to weight loss as unless you start some serious training, with amazing genitics, AND massive amounts of steroids, your body will not support 380lbs lean).
Remember, your muscle is your bodies biggest means of using energy (calories). If you lose muscle (and without weight training in a caloric deficite, you will) you lose some of your ability to use energy, as you use less and less energy, and have the ability to use less and less energy, your weight and fat loss will stop.
The body in a caloric deficite, unless given a need to use the muscle mass you have, will naturally turn to muscle stores to break down for energy before fat stores because of a natural survival mechanism that we all have. This is why all of the fad diets don't work because at best, they stress cardio exercise which can actually help you lose muscle, and you end up losing lots of weight and gaining it back in most cases because you now use less energy, so when you go back to your old crappy eating ways, you actually store fat faster.
Even if it is only bodyweight exercises like bodyweight squats, situps, pushups, negatives on bench dips (unless you have really strong arms and can do a bench dip), negatives on pullups, etc, you must do some form of heavy anarobic exercise or it will be detrimental to your progress. Trust me on this man, I was almost exactly in your shoes last year, with almost the exact same mentality you have, and I made this exact mistake. Learn from my mistake instead of making it yourself please. I mean if I have to live with the setback from my mistake, I want to atleast help others avoid the same problem...A diplomat . . . is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip. - Caskie Stinnett
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04-03-2007, 05:31 PM #22
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04-03-2007, 11:45 PM #26
VERY bad move. You do not want to calculate your energy consumption based on your weight. Remember: each pound of fat only uses about 2kcals/day. If you calculate that with 15kcals/day instead, you are horribly off - in the wrong direction. Only ever use BMR calculations which take BF% and LBM into account.
I would still guess that that's to high, IMHO. I'd say start with 2500/day, and adjust from there. See also: http://www.obesityonline.org/slides/...enditure&dpg=4
We must keep in mind that this guy has a LOT (~200lbs) of fat to lose, thus is almost unlimited in the amount of calories he can draw from fat stores before muscle catabolism must occur. For the guy, at the given level of inactivity, the main problem might be to create a calorie deficit large enough to achieve motivational results.
Also, the question would be if it would make sense for the guy to try PSMF, VLCD, or UD2.0 first for a few weeks?
Again, I would be careful with those 4000kcals/day. If I calculate his LBM with 180lbs * 15kcals/day for 2700kcals/day, and 200lbs of fat * 2kcals/day for another measly 400, I only get a BMR of 3100kcals/day (and that may be high). Now if you add the very low possible activity level, and subtract some calories to be in the deficit, he ought to be fairly below 3000kcals/day, IMHO, if he wants to create a sizeable calorie deficit.
Wrong. It's about 6kcals/lbs of muscle per day. As opposed to fat, which is only about 2kcals/bs per day.
This is an important first step. Try to continue to further identify and eliminate the elements which have lead to your condition one-by-one, step-by-step. It is imperative to find a pace of progress which is sustainable to you. At your state, long term sustainability (say 1-2 years) is much much more important than short-term success, which will have you fall off the wagon after 2 weeks because the change is simply to much for your mind and flesh.
It is important to not overestimate your capailities, which leads to frustration and demotivation as much as does not doing enough, and not having any significant progress.
This is bad. You have to find a form of exercise that you can do comfortably (wel more or less). Trying to lose weight with diet alone is going to be not undifficult if attempted without increased physical activity.
You ought to take up weightlifting even if only at a low level at first: there are very few exercises which have the thighs chafing. Just be careful with what you do, concerning joints, tendons and bones. Getting a qualified(!) trainer might be an idea, if you can afford it. There are also several reliable trainers on this site (Michael Elias, John Prophet, Derek Charlebois, etc.) which can provide online nutritional and programming services (for a fee, obviously).
It IS a move which is what is important. In your condition ANY move in the right direction is a good move. Not to do anything is the bad move to take. However, as has been made clear in other posts, it may not be the optimal move.
You may want to read "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle" by Tom Venuto for a better understanding of the issues around fat and weight loss.
It would be much better to increase your physical activity along your weight loss, and every little bit of conditioning will help tremendously. Without that, it is going to be very difficult to have sustainable progress. The hard part is not to get discouraged by your current lack of endurance as this will take a few weeks to months to improve significantly - but you'll feel sooo much better. But you have to start NOW, to be there eventually.
Also note that it is really important, at least in the beginning, until you get a better feel for all of this, to log everything: your food intake as well as your exercises. It has been shown that one of the great obstacles to weightloss is that people drastically underestimate the calories they consume, and somewhat overestimate the calories the use through exercise.
Have you never wondered aout all those people complaining that they eat so little and train so much, and still can't lose weight, so it must be genetics or the thyroid or somesuch nonsense? In reality, most of those simply don't have a realistic view on what they actually consume and spend, caloriewise. See http://www.obesityonline.org/slides/...enditure&dpg=5 for some simple overview of this.
Make sure you are not one of those.
One recommendation would be to read the logs of people who are, or were in your shoes, to get a feeling for what you have to expect.
Regards,
AquiliusLast edited by Aquilius; 04-03-2007 at 11:57 PM.
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04-03-2007, 11:50 PM #27
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First off, congrats on making the choice to drop the weight. I was in a similar boat a year and a half or so, weighing in at 350 ish. I cut out soda (Still don't drink it to this day, nor do I miss it) and cleaned up my diet, but I did it a bit too quick, wanting results like you. Long story short, I ended up losing about 170 lbs in a little over a year.
I started by walking 1/4 mile on the treadmill a few times a week, then progressively increased the incline and distance. After a few months I got addicted to working out and started going wild, working out 7 days a week (Cardio and light weights everyday). Now I am at my goal weight, but I have sagging skin around my nipples with perfectly formed pecks (If I do say so myself, lol) which looks like ****. I also have an enormous amount of sag in my belly with stubborn fat that will not die (I am now doing a clean bulk like I should have focused on while losing fat slower, oh well, live and learn), all of this compliments of me wanting it gone now now now. I would do exactly what everyone else is suggesting, to implement a bit of strength training/weight lifting while focusing on fat loss and not weight loss.
As for something to replace soda, I use the generic no-calorie, no-sugar Crystal Light drink powder from Wal Mart (Cherry-Limeaide PWNZ) and drink it like crazy. Just rip the packet open, dump it in your bottled water, shake and you're done. Incredibly fast, and not a nasty calorie filled sugar bomb of death, lol.
Let me know if you need any inspiration or motivation man, YOU CAN DO IT!
Adam
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04-04-2007, 10:08 AM #28
In english bro....
WRONG. 35-50cals.
articles:
http://www.shapefit.com/exercise-que...-calories.html
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk...e_calories.htm
http://www.tsfitness.com/p/150,614.html
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question...5201545AAVd7NV
I can find plenty more articles where those came from...
thanks for playing tho.Gamecocks/Broncos/Braves
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04-04-2007, 02:58 PM #29
First of all, whoever you are, you are most definitely not my "bro" in any sense of the word.
Second, I maintain my position. Anyone stating the ~50kcals is just repeating the same old urban legend over and over and over again, without any scientific backing.
That's the problem in the internet world: one source copies this information from another source, without verifying it's correctness. In the end you have hundreds of sites quoting the same error, even if none of those can provide an actual root source for their information. This is especially the case for errors that everyone wishes to be true.
When we look at actual scientific studies, measuring the stuff, we always seem to see results around 5-6kcals for muscle, and around 2kcals for fat: http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/cals.htm
Just think about it: how much would e.g. a lean 220lbs guy (say 10% BF) have to consume just for maintenance, according to this?
Also consider that muscle is not even the tissue with the highest energy consumption (those are various organs, such as the heart ot brain).
As for links, here are some of mine:
http://www.optimalhealthpartner.com/...e%20burner.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cb15.htm (check #5)
http://www.bodyfatguide.com/BuildMuscleBurnFat.htm
I can dig up others like this, if you insist.
Regards,
Aquilius
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06-16-2007, 01:51 PM #30
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Well
I have failed.
I started the diet, it progressed for a few weeks, lost a few pounds, and I lost myself thinking I would be okay if I go to Taco Bell just one last time
well that last time turned out to be multiple times
I am where I started.. 380lbs
I am surprised I am still at this weight and not any higher.. I am rereading this thread head to toe and starting over.August 2008 - 345lbs
January 2009 - 310lbs
June 2009 - 275
July 2009 - 264
Current Goal - 230
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