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    Originally Posted by cnh57811 View Post
    Double Standard

    Is it just me or does anybody else notice that when we see posters say that they are going to embark on a cut where they will lose 3lbs per week and drop nearly 50lbs in 4 months, we tell them that it is too fast and they will lose too much lbm if they do it that way....Run a smaller deficit we say.

    But if a poster says that he has already done a cut where they lost 3lbs per week and dropped nearly 50lbs in 4 months, we tell them "Great work!"

    I sometimes wonder if it is better to cut hard and fast so you can quickly get back to bulking or if it makes sense for a moderate deficit to be run and to cut for twice the amount of time in hopes that less lbm will be lost.

    Just typing out loud here...wot?
    I would rather lose less LBM and cut for a longer amount of time. Muscle is hard for me to come by. I've definitely done the double-standard though. I just like to see people hit their goals
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    Originally Posted by cnh57811 View Post
    Double Standard

    Is it just me or does anybody else notice that when we see posters say that they are going to embark on a cut where they will lose 3lbs per week and drop nearly 50lbs in 4 months, we tell them that it is too fast and they will lose too much lbm if they do it that way....Run a smaller deficit we say.

    But if a poster says that he has already done a cut where they lost 3lbs per week and dropped nearly 50lbs in 4 months, we tell them "Great work!"

    I sometimes wonder if it is better to cut hard and fast so you can quickly get back to bulking or if it makes sense for a moderate deficit to be run and to cut for twice the amount of time in hopes that less lbm will be lost.

    Just typing out loud here...wot?
    Unless the person is obese its not ok to lose that much. id bet that a lot of the guys that do this have eating disorders or body dysmorphia or do not care how they look/feel when its all said and done. Also this generation wants everything NOW for little to no work which ties into that because you dont have to do anything, you dont even have to eat, people are lazy and impatient in general.
    If anyone with respectable lifts tried doing that when they were a normal weight, they are pretty much pissing away all of the work they put in unless its was a couple weel PSMF tops.
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    Originally Posted by cnh57811 View Post
    Double Standard
    For me it's not so much about the potential of losing LBM, it's the saying vs. doing. It's really easy to say you are going to lose 3 lbs a week for 4 weeks or whatever, doing it is a whole different thing. Losing 1-2 lbs per week for most people with a normal routine of school/work/both is hard enough. I think the people with more realistic expectations and more moderate goals in terms of rate of loss are in the end going to be successful.

    We see a disproportionate amount of "I lost 50 lbs in four months" posted here, simply because it's impressive, not because it's typical. I'll be the first to congratulate them, I couldn't do it, but I still don't think that it's a wise strategy for most.

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    Originally Posted by cnh57811 View Post
    Double Standard

    Is it just me or does anybody else notice that when we see posters say that they are going to embark on a cut where they will lose 3lbs per week and drop nearly 50lbs in 4 months, we tell them that it is too fast and they will lose too much lbm if they do it that way....Run a smaller deficit we say.

    But if a poster says that he has already done a cut where they lost 3lbs per week and dropped nearly 50lbs in 4 months, we tell them "Great work!"

    I sometimes wonder if it is better to cut hard and fast so you can quickly get back to bulking or if it makes sense for a moderate deficit to be run and to cut for twice the amount of time in hopes that less lbm will be lost.

    Just typing out loud here...wot?
    I prefer to cut hard and fast. IMO, loss of muscle is largely exaggerated on these forums. Even if you lose some muscle on a cut, you'll likely gain it back quickly once you start bulking due to muscle memory.

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    Originally Posted by matman1813 View Post
    I'd say that overall the loss of LBM thing is blown way out of proportion. Some people tell people that have only been lifting for 6 months to take it slower because they will lose LBM. Come on, they have been lifting for 6 months, how much LBM do they think they have gained? Adequate protein intake + lifting = no need to worry about it in this situation.
    I often wonder about this as well.

    Originally Posted by Serpentarius View Post
    Unless the person is obese its not ok to lose that much. id bet that a lot of the guys that do this have eating disorders or body dysmorphia or do not care how they look/feel when its all said and done. Also this generation wants everything NOW for little to no work which ties into that because you dont have to do anything, you dont even have to eat, people are lazy and impatient in general.
    If anyone with respectable lifts tried doing that when they were a normal weight, they are pretty much pissing away all of the work they put in unless its was a couple weel PSMF tops.
    I wouldn't neccessarily call this guy obese, but he did exactly what my op was about and he looks great now. Albeit, it sounds like he is worn out and tired of cutting, so he should probably not continue at the pace he is going.
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    Originally Posted by csb5731 View Post
    For me it's not so much about the potential of losing LBM, it's the saying vs. doing. It's really easy to say you are going to lose 3 lbs a week for 4 weeks or whatever, doing it is a whole different thing. Losing 1-2 lbs per week for most people with a normal routine of school/work/both is hard enough. I think the people with more realistic expectations and more moderate goals in terms of rate of loss are in the end going to be successful.

    We see a disproportionate amount of "I lost 50 lbs in four months" posted here, simply because it's impressive, not because it's typical. I'll be the first to congratulate them, I couldn't do it, but I still don't think that it's a wise strategy for most.
    Definitely agree with this. If somebody can actually stick it out, than great on them. Most people can't, so that is probably why it is discouraged.

    Originally Posted by igglesphan View Post
    I prefer to cut hard and fast. IMO, loss of muscle is largely exaggerated on these forums. Even if you lose some muscle on a cut, you'll likely gain it back quickly once you start bulking due to muscle memory.
    Agreed. If somebody has only 12-15 lbs to cut and they want to do it hard and fast, I think that would be ok (provided that lifts do not suffer too much). It is those folks who have 50+ lbs to lose who will most likely burn out if they cut hard though. They should probably do it slower. Statistically speaking, they have a better chance to succeed because of the length of time required to cut all that fat.
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    Originally Posted by MaxwellGuns View Post
    What are all of your goals?
    Pushing exercises develop stronger wrists
    If you can't do a push-up position plank for very long, maybe try machine push exercises or a lift bench press (free weight).

    Kettle bells are very versatile. You can do traditional exercises or some more complex things that work your whole body. One move that I like to show people is the "kettle bell swing".
    I know this is a few pages late but I passed out early last night.

    My short term goal is to lose fat, long term goal is to have functional and explosive strength.

    I don't have access to the bench press, and from what I understand machines / bench press isn't very useful for functional strength? Been reading that in several different body weight / strength building books. Mostly looking for exercises that would require the body working in synergy.

    Am doing pushups every day throughout the day and holding planks to make wrists stronger. Probably will start with some of the more traditional kettlebell exercises then move to the ones that conditioned the Soviet army. I heard lots of good things about the swing . Will try not to face my TV while doing it lol.
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    Wow. My arms are so incredibly sore from my boxing workout yesterday, nothing else is though, except abs cos I worked them really hard on wednesday, then they were sore yesterday and we did ab exercises lol, ouchh. Wonder if they're actually sore from punching (which I sucked at, I could only hit hard when I was targeting a ball, and not a human lol, it's a mental block), or jumping rope? Which is quite heavy for the arms as well.
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    Originally Posted by justanothagirl View Post
    Wow. My arms are so incredibly sore from my boxing workout yesterday, nothing else is though, except abs cos I worked them really hard on wednesday, then they were sore yesterday and we did ab exercises lol, ouchh. Wonder if they're actually sore from punching (which I sucked at, I could only hit hard when I was targeting a ball, and not a human lol, it's a mental block), or jumping rope? Which is quite heavy for the arms as well.
    broken hand twice fighting a suspect crew checking in

    Heads is hard.

    The mental block is good, wish I had it.
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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    broken hand twice fighting a suspect crew checking in

    Heads is hard.

    The mental block is good, wish I had it.
    Ouch lol, must have hit them hard. Situations like that ask for it though.

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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    broken hand twice fighting a suspect crew checking in

    Heads is hard.

    The mental block is good, wish I had it.
    Should have just pistol whipped 'em. Save your hands, you need them.
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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    broken hand twice fighting a suspect crew checking in
    is the person really still a suspect if you're fighting them?
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    Originally Posted by cunfewzed View Post
    is the person really still a suspect if you're fighting them?
    Suspect/report-defendant/charged-convict/jail yes

    jargon mostly but bad guy is synonymous to each

    Either way when they challenge to fight I always oblige, who am I to deny them? Fuk all that wrestling around to put cuffs on.
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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    Either way when they challenge to fight I always oblige, who am I to deny them? Fuk all that wrestling around to put cuffs on.
    As would I!

    Not many professions where fighting someone is ok
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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    Suspect/report-defendant/charged-convict/jail yes

    jargon mostly but bad guy is synonymous to each

    Either way when they challenge to fight I always oblige, who am I to deny them? Fuk all that wrestling around to put cuffs on.
    > Would sh*t self if you and ronnie got out of a car ready to throw down.....
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    Why was Ronnie allowed to be a cop whilst full of illegal substances?
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    Originally Posted by matman1813 View Post
    Why was Ronnie allowed to be a cop whilst full of illegal substances?
    I suspect a rx and 5-7 panel testing. srs
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    I don't understand any of that lol.
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    Das ist deutsch für mich
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    Guys! I have to share some info with you. I've been taking Xtend right. I noticed this stuff is EXCELLENT to maintain fresh breath, 100% better than fresh mints/chewing gum. My breath is incredibly fresh when I drink this stuff and even the next day. I think bacteria don't like this stuff or die from it or something. Anyways, thought I would share. : )

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    Originally Posted by Znik View Post
    Absolutely brilliant.
    Sorry to read about your condition. I'm assuming your headaches worsen during training? I can't even imagine... Strong transformation!


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    lol! gotta love independent movies....
    The movie was Paradise L*ve. A dramedy, mostly tragic. Even the trailer has nudity so I can't post it. It's highly giffable. Lots of u gon get r*ped moments!

    No spoilers: I picked up tickets for a secret screening held two nights ago and the movie turned out to be Skyfall! One of the people I was with produces action films so he and his wife started critiquing the film as soon as the credits started rolling, lol. I was sleepy/in a highly suggestible state and by the time we parted I couldn't remember my own gut reactions to the film. I'll have to see it again on my own.

    My brother and his wife are also in film. They're pushing hard to wrap up final edits on their first feature film, a low budget independent, so I'm on my own a lot but I have a rental car so I have some freedom. I might be working on a short film while I'm out here... We'll see.

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    Originally Posted by justanothagirl View Post
    Guys! I have to share some info with you. I've been taking Xtend right. I noticed this stuff is EXCELLENT to maintain fresh breath, 100% better than fresh mints/chewing gum. My breath is incredibly fresh when I drink this stuff and even the next day. I think bacteria don't like this stuff or die from it or something. Anyways, thought I would share. : )
    Genuinely interested/10

    This pre-workout I take on VERY rare occasions (iForce Maximize Intense) makes my mouth taste like **** and it seems that any saliva I produce after taking it is just foul and disguising, not even gum helps.

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    Originally Posted by justanothagirl View Post
    Guys! I have to share some info with you. I've been taking Xtend right. I noticed this stuff is EXCELLENT to maintain fresh breath, 100% better than fresh mints/chewing gum. My breath is incredibly fresh when I drink this stuff and even the next day. I think bacteria don't like this stuff or die from it or something. Anyways, thought I would share. : )
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    Originally Posted by justanothagirl View Post
    Guys! I have to share some info with you. I've been taking Xtend right. I noticed this stuff is EXCELLENT to maintain fresh breath, 100% better than fresh mints/chewing gum. My breath is incredibly fresh when I drink this stuff and even the next day. I think bacteria don't like this stuff or die from it or something. Anyways, thought I would share. : )
    When I was a dental assistant, learned most stuff that freshens your breath does only that ....even when mouthwash is advertised that it kills most of the bacteria in your mouth, it fails to tell you that your mouth goes back to almost the same amount of bacteria only minutes later.
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    I don't have access to the bench press, and from what I understand machines / bench press isn't very useful for functional strength? Been reading that in several different body weight / strength building books. Mostly looking for exercises that would require the body working in synergy.
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    Originally Posted by StitchT View Post
    Genuinely interested/10

    This pre-workout I take on VERY rare occasions (iForce Maximize Intense) makes my mouth taste like **** and it seems that any saliva I produce after taking it is just foul and disguising, not even gum helps.
    I've been drinking the lemon-lime one so I can only speak for that one. It's good. I'm also gonna get the pink and blue one most likely they've been getting good reviews.

    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
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    Not a fan of Xtend?

    Originally Posted by missladyj View Post
    When I was a dental assistant, learned most stuff that freshens your breath does only that ....even when mouthwash is advertised that it kills most of the bacteria in your mouth, it fails to tell you that your mouth goes back to almost the same amount of bacteria only minutes later.
    Well I don't know the science behind it, just that my breath has been super fresh since I've been using it.

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