Hey you, wake up, having muscles doesn't make you a better fighter!

[bodyhard]

Last night my BIL and I were roaming the streets for gas stations that were open and the line was short. (we found one)

It was f'cking cold as hell last night, so everyone was bundled up. Two guys are arguing I have no idea about, one of the guys takes off his coat and his shirt, dude was f'cking build like a house! He starts yelling at the guy flexing/tensing while putting his finger in the guys face.

The second dude was on the thin side (who knows maybe under his clothes he was ripped) but he was calm and kind of smiling with a smirk, he kept telling the big dude to keep his distant. Well I guess the big dude thought muscles make you a fighter (he took his shirt off to look intimidating ) because he mushed the guys face and within a couple of minutes the skinny guy put it on him and put the guy to sleep, cops came running over but the fight was over and the big dude was f'cking snoring

Why do some people think if you work out and get bigger, you magically become a better fighter?

[MrNismo]

Damn my life is boring I never see anything!

If you think about it though -- all other things being equal in terms of experience and mentality, the bigger guy should win. Bad to assume the smaller guy is not more experienced or has a more killer attitude though as this big guy found out the hard way

[mslman71]

Not that I have a lot of experience, but whoever is doing the most talking/yelling seems to be the one that is least prepared (or perhaps the most afraid).

My father is the most calm and collected person and when he was young he was pretty scrappy. I've seen him get into it a couple of times and the funny thing is he never said a word or hesitated. No BS, when he decided it was on that was it, there was nothing to talk about and he turned mean like no one I've ever seen. He told me that he actually enjoyed fighting and did so as an amateur for a while. Me, I hate it. His attitude kept me in line when I was young without him ever having to do anything

[taf1968]

Rule # 1: There is always someone tougher than you are

Rule #2: It might be the next guy you decide to start crap with



Agree that all-things-being-equal, size is the advantage. But things are not always as "equal" or as skewed to one side as they may appear.

[bodyhard]

I just wonder why people think muscle will magically make you a better fighter.

Here is the thing if you suck at fighting before you started working out, you will suck at fighting after you gained muscle, is that simple.

I am pretty sure this guy thought his size was going to intimidate the dude, funny thing, the look on the guy, although he was yelling and being very animated, showed fear. I am more than sure the smaller guy read that as well.

The only thing I did not agree with the smaller guy was allowing the bigger dude to mush his face, that one touch could have been a blow that ended the fight before it even started. So even the small guy in my view was not experienced.

[mslman71]

I hope that people will be less inclined to fight me (or f*ck with me) because I have some size. Anyone still willing to go at it will likely kick my ass so I prefer to keep to myself. Stepping up like a peacock and getting leveled, well, that's what he deserved. Don't bluff if you're not ready to be called on it.

[pazzadean]

My security in work one is bout 6.5 doesn't work out smokes drinks all that and he puts people to sleep all the time, they get mouthy and boom lights out but looking at him you'd never think this! Just shows u never know what people are capable of

[bodyhard]

I hope that people will be less inclined to fight me (or f*ck with me) because I have some size. Anyone still willing to go at it will likely kick my ass so I prefer to keep to myself. Stepping up like a peacock and getting leveled, well, that's what he deserved. Don't bluff if you're not ready to be called on it.

Tempers are flaring here in NY and people are on edge. I fear this sh!t is going to get worse before it gets better and no matter your size right now you upset the wrong person chances are they are going to lose it.

[mal1ce]

A friend of mine is like that, very average looking and unassuming, you'd never guess by looking at him that he's a merc.
Expert hand to hand and blade fighter, could seriously gut you in .5 seconds with a plastic spoon.

[polishedball]

I fought much better at 165 (mma) with very little muscle; now i am way too slow. Though be tempted to walk into a dojo again to see what i can do. In a sick way I miss hitting people and getting hit. I agree with the calmness is what to watch for as when you look at it as sport enjoyment you tend not to have the rage.

[bodyhard]

In a sick way I miss hitting people and getting hit.

I say this all the time and people think I am nuts, so hard to explain.

Glad I am not alone on this.

[nvrstopworking]

I say this all the time and people think I am nuts, so hard to explain.

Glad I am not alone on this.

Why not join an MMA or boxing gym then?

Sounds like it could be pretty therapeutic for you.

[polishedball]

Why not join an MMA or boxing gym then?

Sounds like it could be pretty therapeutic for you.

I know i wasn't addressed but for me I only have time for one compulsive activity the IRON.. with a wife n family I don;t have time for both.

[induced_drag]

Size if large enough can make a difference.

Here is a vid of a totally untrained 250lb bodybuilder (former Mr Utah) vs a 150lb trained elite MMA fighter.

Match is fairly close till the end, when the MMA guy finally got him in an arm bar. Now this fighter is an elite guy....so put the 250lb guy against just a guy who has been in a few bar fights and if large enough (and tough enough), I think it can make a difference). But as the vid shows, technique can overcome size difference. But there are very few trained fighters running around the streets.

[frozensparky]

Totally agree that more muscle doesn't make you a better fighter. I would much rather fight when I'm in the low 200's. I'm a lot faster plus I have more cardio. Right now I'd have to put a guy out quickly or I'd b sucking wind. Man I can't even have sex right now without sounding like darth vader after ten minutes... Ok five... Ok ok fine 2!!! But its a great 2

[taf1968]

Totally agree that more muscle doesn't make you a better fighter. I would much rather fight when I'm in the low 200's. I'm a lot faster plus I have more cardio. Right now I'd have to put a guy out quickly or I'd b sucking wind. Man I can't even have sex right now without sounding like darth vader after ten minutes... Ok five... Ok ok fine 2!!! But its a great 2

LOL . . . damn, I'm on re-charge.

[danap3681]

The moral of this story is...





























I can kick BH's ass and hand it to him on a plate!

[Nomad0498]

That's funny!! I never was much of a fighter well I never started any. Now that I am trying to get big I don't think I would have any problems. I am also 41 so I would be smart enough to TRY to avoid the conflict!

[kh971]

The moral of this story is...





























I can kick BH's ass and hand it to him on a plate!

"WIN" we can close the thread now.

[lunchbreak]

In a fight on the street there is no way in hell I would want to end up on the floor where my opponent's mates can stick the boot in. I've seen a guy lose all his front teeth in a fight and it's not pretty. Not much use being a tiny technical fighter if I can only grapple on the floor to win.

[geer_matt]

Just look at the UFC, take for instance Chuck Liddell, in my opinion he never seemed to be in all that great a shape (physique wise) but boy he be knocking people out.

[Sen8or]

Reminds me a little of a scene from a classic NZ flick - Once Were Warriors.

[frozensparky]

Reminds me a little of a scene from a classic NZ flick - Once Were Warriors.

That has got to be one of the all time most depressing movies ever. Good flick though, love that scene.

[bodyhard]

Why not join an MMA or boxing gym then?

Sounds like it could be pretty therapeutic for you.

I did joined a boxing gym and one thing I could say, fighting those guys in the ring, while very fatiguing I knocked a lot of them on their ass. Everyone in the gym thought I was a boxer and even thought I boxed professionally.

I am looking around for some MMA, stuff.

The moral of this story is...





























I can kick BH's ass and hand it to him on a plate!

Yes yes you will

[TonyNail]

I agree, I come from a family of bouncers and bar brawlers and no one is over 5'8 LOL.

[Sen8or]

That has got to be one of the all time most depressing movies ever. Good flick though, love that scene.

The sequel is even more so, but still a good watch (what becomes of the broken hearted)

[taf1968]

In a fight on the street there is no way in hell I would want to end up on the floor where my opponent's mates can stick the boot in. I've seen a guy lose all his front teeth in a fight and it's not pretty. Not much use being a tiny technical fighter if I can only grapple on the floor to win.

In general, I agree . . . going to the ground in a street fight is a last option because of the fact you are leaving yourself open to other attackers or weapons being pulled by the other guy (plus a lot can happen when landing on concrete, wood, etc). There are a lot of bad things that can happen. I am a 2nd degree black belt in Kempo Jujitsu and taking it to the ground outside the dojo would be my last choice. Although if it ends up there, "you are where you are" and you deal with it as best and as fast as you can.

With that said, though, there are still plenty of things a skilled smaller guy can do to a larger guy without going to the ground--depending on what the smaller guy has been trained to do (and what the other guy knows or doesn't know). Joints can be manipulated, targeted strikes can be effective, positioning/distance comes into play, etc.

[justboo2u]

I just wonder why people think muscle will magically make you a better fighter.

Here is the thing if you suck at fighting before you started working out, you will suck at fighting after you gained muscle, is that simple.

I am pretty sure this guy thought his size was going to intimidate the dude, funny thing, the look on the guy, although he was yelling and being very animated, showed fear. I am more than sure the smaller guy read that as well.

The only thing I did not agree with the smaller guy was allowing the bigger dude to mush his face, that one touch could have been a blow that ended the fight before it even started. So even the small guy in my view was not experienced.

Perhaps a bit more tolerant of blatant stupidity than others we know.
I, too am hard-pressed to suffer fools (of all sorts). Particularly those who think they are all that.

[Brackneyc]

Perhaps a bit more tolerant of blatant stupidity than others we know.
I, too am hard-pressed to suffer fools (of all sorts). Particularly those who think they are all that.

No kidding. Those of us who actually "are" all that, have no tolerance for those who only "think" they are all that.

[bodyhard]

No kidding. Those of us who actually "are" all that, have no tolerance for those who only "think" they are all that.

And then there is bodyhard,