Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 39
  1. #1
    Registered User fraherg's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2009
    Location: New Zealand
    Age: 52
    Posts: 21
    Rep Power: 0
    fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    fraherg is offline

    How do you get big

    Hi Guys
    I have a quick question that I have been pondering, I am 40 and have a good diet and know my calories to maintain and bulk and have done Kris Gethins 12wk trainer and am looking at his DTP course as well, however my question is how do you get a decent size, there are some guys in my gym who's arms are huge however I watch them train and in all honesty I dont see them pushing weights that are that are massively heavier than mine, I am wondering if maybe there is something I am missing? When i watch bodybuilders train on Youtube or on films etc the weights they use are seriously heavy, but when I watch the guys in my gym, they have a decent size to them and dont seem to lift massively heavy weights, I am 5ft5 and my BW is 145lb, my BF% is 10%. My bench is 198lb for 3 reps which I am happy with but keep looking to improve, I cannot squat or DL my hack squat is only at 180lbs as I cannot be to forcefull on my squats due to a current back problem, but my leg press is 550LB for reps and I could do more, I think my lifts are pretty ok, and about average for my size etc, but I just wonder on a daily basis if anyone else feels the same or maybe how to take that step up that gets you on the road to getting huge?
    Cheers for any pointers guys
    Gra
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    Hungry Smelly bull's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Michigan, United States
    Posts: 3,256
    Rep Power: 20892
    Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Smelly bull is offline
    My usual recommendation of doing the bill Starr 5x5 program applies here. Find the program, program your weights, and follow it to a "t". The program is a proven program, don't screw around with it.

    Eat big. To get big, you have to eat big.

    Rest.

    As to no squats or deads, well, those are great mass builders, you have to fix the injury problem (maybe it is form?). And yes, Leg presses will build mass, I just like the squats better.

    Best of luck.
    400# Bulgarian bicep curl
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    Registered User fraherg's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2009
    Location: New Zealand
    Age: 52
    Posts: 21
    Rep Power: 0
    fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    fraherg is offline
    Hi Mate
    cheers for the reply, I will check out that program now, my back issue is due to a problem with my pelvis and spine and i am undergoing physio and medical stuff to fix which is why i dont put any undue strain on it and DL & Squats just seem to agrivate it, hack squats I find are fine as are leg presses, but once its all fixed I hope to start DL again
    Gra
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    Bootless Errand ironwill2008's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2008
    Location: United States
    Posts: 85,695
    Rep Power: 1680970
    ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz ironwill2008 has the mod powerz
    ironwill2008 is offline
    Originally Posted by fraherg View Post
    ..... I cannot squat or DL my hack squat is only at 180lbs as I cannot be to forcefull on my squats due to a current back problem.......

    ......how to take that step up that gets you on the road to getting huge?
    Your first step in making progress towards getting 'huge' is to deal with your back problem. No routine, program, or nutrition plan can substitute for not being able to lift increasingly heavy poundages.


    GL
    No brain, no gain.

    "The fitness and nutrition world is a breeding ground for obsessive-compulsive behavior. The irony is that many of the things people worry about have no impact on results either way, and therefore aren't worth an ounce of concern."--Alan Aragon

    Where the mind goes, the body follows.

    Ironwill Gym:
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpost.php?p=629719403&postcount=3388


    Ironwill2008 Journal:
    https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=157459343&p=1145168733
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Registered User fraherg's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2009
    Location: New Zealand
    Age: 52
    Posts: 21
    Rep Power: 0
    fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    fraherg is offline
    Hi Cheers for the reply, I am sorting the back issue out, (well i have been to the GP and am awaiting my appoint with the physio) and once I am all sorted I will be back DL & squats,
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    Registered User leroylavey's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2012
    Location: Stanton, California, United States
    Age: 35
    Posts: 65
    Rep Power: 0
    leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10)
    leroylavey is offline
    Hey fraherg,

    Those big guys you see lifting those light weights know the secret and the secret is form and weight control. They are lifting the weights with full conscious. Contraction.

    The difference is power lifter vs bodybuilder. Power lifter is focused on how heavy the weights and a Bodybuilder is focuses on controlling the weights and not let the weight control you.

    Learn your bodytype. If your a ectomorph then you should lift somewhere in your 8 rep max range.

    Hope that helped.
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    Registered User polishedball's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2009
    Location: United States
    Age: 52
    Posts: 1,281
    Rep Power: 4922
    polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) polishedball is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    polishedball is offline
    you show up; consistency. No matter how bad I feel or what excuse I can come up with, I still go.
    My journal, not detailed, but heck I never keep track of much anyhow. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121196291&p=863931421#post863931421

    leader in trailing technology
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    Long Drive Athlete bigtallox's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2008
    Location: Sandy, Utah, United States
    Posts: 6,988
    Rep Power: 16041
    bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    bigtallox is offline
    Originally Posted by leroylavey View Post
    Those big guys you see lifting those light weights know the secret and the secret is form and weight control. They are lifting the weights with full conscious. Contraction.

    The difference is power lifter vs bodybuilder. (snip) A Bodybuilder is focuses on controlling the weights and not let the weight control you.
    So you really think a powerlifter squatting 1000 pounds doesn't have to control the weight, or lift the weight with "full conscious"? ( Hint, you're wrong. ) I'd be willing to bet that the OP just isn't seeing all of the big guys training, they're probably squatting and deadlifting unlike the OP.


    Originally Posted by leroylavey View Post
    Learn your bodytype. If your a ectomorph then you should lift somewhere in your 8 rep max range.
    Broscience.
    Qualifying for long drive contest with 328 yard drive
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKrGuFlqhaA

    2017 Utah State Longest drive. This one went 328 and got me into finals
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-_3HrZzI4

    2017 Rockwell challenge. 325 yards
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeuB2rPMcBA
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    that **** cray koolskool's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Posts: 712
    Rep Power: 396
    koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    koolskool is offline
    Diet. you've got to come to grips with what it's going to take for you to gain LBM.
    If you are an ecto- it could be a very high amount of calories.
    ----------start -------------- current

    squat---135x5----------------265x5
    bench---135x1---------------230x1, 195x5
    dead----155x5---------------325x1, 305x5
    military-70x5----------------130x5
    chins----BWx8--------------+70x2
    dips-----BWx14------------ +80x5
    BOR -----115x5--------------205x3
    db row---55x8---------------100x7
    inc DB press------45x5------80x3, 75x7
    seated DB press--35x5------60x4
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Registered User leroylavey's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2012
    Location: Stanton, California, United States
    Age: 35
    Posts: 65
    Rep Power: 0
    leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10) leroylavey has a little shameless behaviour in the past. (-10)
    leroylavey is offline
    Hey bigtallox,

    A powerlifter is focused on moving weights. Like implementing tonnage theory etc. A bodybuilder focuses on stimulating hypertrophy. What I was trying to communicate is form. Form is primary, weight is secondary. For some people they sacrifice their form for heavier weights.

    I have a interesting question. Why does a weight lifter and a bodybuilder have different physiques?

    Because I'm still a new member they won't allow me to post any links from youtube. but go to youtube and type in "Train with Kai IV ARMS". The video is 20 mins and 33 seconds long. You don't have to watch the full thing. You can fast forward to 14.30-20.33 which is the most important part because it really revolutionized the way I thought about lifting.

    Let me know what you think.

    I hope that helps.
    "Your body is the mirror of your mind"

    www.MuscleInTheMaking.com
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Powerlifting in disguise induced_drag's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Age: 51
    Posts: 11,952
    Rep Power: 212604
    induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    induced_drag is offline
    Originally Posted by leroylavey View Post
    Hey bigtallox,

    A powerlifter is focused on moving weights. Like implementing tonnage theory etc. A bodybuilder focuses on stimulating hypertrophy. What I was trying to communicate is form. Form is primary, weight is secondary. For some people they sacrifice their form for heavier weights.

    I have a interesting question. Why does a weight lifter and a bodybuilder have different physiques?

    Because I'm still a new member they won't allow me to post any links from youtube. but go to youtube and type in "Train with Kai IV ARMS". The video is 20 mins and 33 seconds long. You don't have to watch the full thing. You can fast forward to 14.30-20.33 which is the most important part because it really revolutionized the way I thought about lifting.

    Let me know what you think.

    I hope that helps.
    Sorry to burst your bubble dude.... Look at the programs of most of the top natural bodybuilders and you will see a commonality, most all move some insane weights on basic compound movements. Kai, can preach all he wants, (and I have seen his vids)...but there is no getting around the tension generated by lifting heavy loads. You can not "think" this tension into play. Fatigue can only fool your muscles part way and the stimulation from it is not as superior as the heavy weight itself.

    The primary difference between a powerlifter and a bodybuilder is a powerlifter will at times try to shift loads as little as possible whereas a bodybuilder may intentionally focus loads on an area. Eg powerlifter squatting low bar and wide stance compared to a bodybuilder high bar squat close stance.

    In the end....at least what I have seen.....is big muscles come for the ability to move big weights.

    Read this....It is what just about all my training is based upon and touches on the ideas of what type of training is really good "bang for the buck"

    http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/...hilosophy.html
    RAW lifts
    635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
    585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
    420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
    535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Canadian in Korea Juggertha's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2012
    Location: Hong Kong
    Age: 50
    Posts: 1,712
    Rep Power: 8853
    Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Juggertha is offline
    Originally Posted by leroylavey View Post
    Hey bigtallox,

    A powerlifter is focused on moving weights. Like implementing tonnage theory etc. A bodybuilder focuses on stimulating hypertrophy. What I was trying to communicate is form. Form is primary, weight is secondary. For some people they sacrifice their form for heavier weights.

    I have a interesting question. Why does a weight lifter and a bodybuilder have different physiques?

    Because I'm still a new member they won't allow me to post any links from youtube. but go to youtube and type in "Train with Kai IV ARMS". The video is 20 mins and 33 seconds long. You don't have to watch the full thing. You can fast forward to 14.30-20.33 which is the most important part because it really revolutionized the way I thought about lifting.

    Let me know what you think.

    I hope that helps.
    I'm going to lean towards this. While I do think absolute weight eventually comes into play, far too often I see people MOVING weight in the gym without putting the stress on the desired areas... and then complain about lack of growth.

    Two people can go through the same plane of motion and have very different focus' and results.
    I don't lift weights, I flex under duress.

    My 12 month progress thread
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=155962953&p=1113020323#post1113020323
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    Registered User fraherg's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2009
    Location: New Zealand
    Age: 52
    Posts: 21
    Rep Power: 0
    fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0) fraherg has no reputation, good or bad yet. (0)
    fraherg is offline
    cheers, my body type is meso or endo, leaning towards meso. i am deffo not ecto lol
    cheers for the replies guy, really appreicate the advice
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Registered User h4xk0's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2010
    Location: ljubljana, Slovenia
    Age: 47
    Posts: 138
    Rep Power: 192
    h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10) h4xk0 is on a distinguished road. (+10)
    h4xk0 is offline
    My first advice would be NOT to compare yourself to others, how or how much they lift and stuff.
    My guess-> You're probably older then those guys, haven't been going to the gym for as long as they have and if you really are older your test levels are lower then those of a 25yo.

    Second: As others have stated.. proper diet, focus and proper form when doing exercises. Make that mind-muscle connection. And REST. You won't grow if you don't have enough time to regenerate. Well.. you will but much slower.

    Third: If you're looking at natty way of doing stuff, then you might wanna give Jim Wenlder's 5/3/1 (http://www.strstd.com) a go to gain some strength or Layne Norton's P.H.A.T. (power hypertrophy adaptive training) to do both gain strength and size. PHAT is not a program per say, but is a guide. The idea is that natty need to be strong to grow (and i agree ). You do a couple of power days, followed by hypertrophy days. The stronger you get the heavier weight you can do in hypertrophy phase thus grow bigger . I'm giving 5/3/1 a go starting this weekend.
    Last edited by h4xk0; 11-07-2012 at 12:52 AM. Reason: Typo
    my blog: http://missionsuperbody.blogspot.com/
    My workout log: ->http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=139180333&p=976686193#post976686193<- hopefully this year I'll post more here ;).
    Reply With Quote

  15. #15
    Hungry Smelly bull's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Michigan, United States
    Posts: 3,256
    Rep Power: 20892
    Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Smelly bull has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Smelly bull is offline
    Originally Posted by leroylavey View Post
    Hey fraherg,

    Those big guys you see lifting those light weights know the secret and the secret is form and weight control. They are lifting the weights with full conscious. Contraction.

    The difference is power lifter vs bodybuilder. Power lifter is focused on how heavy the weights and a Bodybuilder is focuses on controlling the weights and not let the weight control you.

    Learn your bodytype. If your a ectomorph then you should lift somewhere in your 8 rep max range.

    Hope that helped.
    Hmm...powerlifters have to focus on control, otherwise gravity takes over. Try benching in the 400+ out of control..bad things happen.

    I never believed in the rep range/body type relation. I was born skinny, I was skinny until I discovered lifting large and eating.

    Why does a powerlifter and bb have different physiques? I will start off and say I have gone to numerous powerlifting meets and the lower weight classes, many are ripped. Most people here would kill to have their physiques. Why the difference? Diet comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

    And I tarely take advice from someone along the likes of Kai Greene or any other enhanced bodybuilder. I spent to much time in "unlearning" off all the bioscience these guys push.
    400# Bulgarian bicep curl
    Reply With Quote

  16. #16
    Registered User JOHN GARGANI's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2004
    Location: Connecticut, United States
    Age: 72
    Posts: 12,657
    Rep Power: 50532
    JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    JOHN GARGANI is offline
    In the end....at least what I have seen.....is big muscles come for the ability to move big weights.
    ID: I think your quote would have been better if it ended with : "to move biggerweights"

    The goal, as always , is some sort of progression...and one of the easiest progressions to follow is higher weight...

    whether it will result in "BIG" weights, in the end, or not, is individually and genetically determined..meaning, there are those of us who will NEVER lift more than a certain amount....

    as we APPROACH that amount, that is when training becomes even more specific, since, we are not going to be adding weight forever, the methodology eventually supercedes the actual amount of weight you lift, by sheer laws of diminishing returns.

    if you consistently try to lift more than your body can really handle, it equates to injuries and setbacks, and then you start the climb again....

    I mean, just look at my sig line: "Lift as MUCH as you can, for as MANY reps as you can,
    while in complete control of the exercise."

    when CONTROL starts to break down, you are close to whatever your current maximum is...doesn't mean you might not exceed this at some point, but currently, you are there....

    this is where consistency comes into play, as already pointed out by another poster in this fine thread.
    Lift as MUCH as you can, for as MANY reps as you can,
    while in complete control of the exercise.
    Reply With Quote

  17. #17
    Registered User JOHN GARGANI's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2004
    Location: Connecticut, United States
    Age: 72
    Posts: 12,657
    Rep Power: 50532
    JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    JOHN GARGANI is offline
    Originally Posted by polishedball View Post
    you show up; consistency. No matter how bad I feel or what excuse I can come up with, I still go.
    Originally Posted by Juggertha View Post
    I'm going to lean towards this. While I do think absolute weight eventually comes into play, far too often I see people MOVING weight in the gym without putting the stress on the desired areas... and then complain about lack of growth.

    two other great replies, both repped.....if we can keep the eventual and inevitable troll out of this thread, it can be a very thought provoking one...
    Lift as MUCH as you can, for as MANY reps as you can,
    while in complete control of the exercise.
    Reply With Quote

  18. #18
    Powerlifting in disguise induced_drag's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Age: 51
    Posts: 11,952
    Rep Power: 212604
    induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    induced_drag is offline
    Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI View Post
    ID: I think your quote would have been better if it ended with : "to move biggerweights"

    The goal, as always , is some sort of progression......
    Yes, I agree 100% with your addition! (as usual!) Funny how simple it is when you boil it all down. Some want to believe it has to be so complex. This is exactly what people do with nutrition too!
    RAW lifts
    635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
    585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
    420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
    535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
    Reply With Quote

  19. #19
    Long Drive Athlete bigtallox's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2008
    Location: Sandy, Utah, United States
    Posts: 6,988
    Rep Power: 16041
    bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) bigtallox is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    bigtallox is offline
    Originally Posted by leroylavey View Post
    A powerlifter is focused on moving weights. Like implementing tonnage theory etc. A bodybuilder focuses on stimulating hypertrophy. What I was trying to communicate is form. Form is primary, weight is secondary.
    I think people who insinuate that form isn't important in powerlifting, understand nothing about powerlifting.

    Originally Posted by leroylavey View Post
    For some people they sacrifice their form for heavier weights.
    But correct form ENABLES MORE WEIGHT TO BE LIFTED.


    Originally Posted by leroylavey View Post
    I have a interesting question. Why does a weight lifter and a bodybuilder have different physiques?
    The biggest difference is diet.
    Qualifying for long drive contest with 328 yard drive
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKrGuFlqhaA

    2017 Utah State Longest drive. This one went 328 and got me into finals
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-_3HrZzI4

    2017 Rockwell challenge. 325 yards
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeuB2rPMcBA
    Reply With Quote

  20. #20
    Registered User JOHN GARGANI's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2004
    Location: Connecticut, United States
    Age: 72
    Posts: 12,657
    Rep Power: 50532
    JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    JOHN GARGANI is offline
    Originally Posted by OX
    I think people who insinuate that form isn't important in powerlifting, understand nothing about powerlifting.
    very true, and if you watch powerlifting events, you do NOT see sloppy form....as expected, it has it's own set of skills.

    however, grant us this modification in that thought: Form is relative to what you are trying to do: the powerlifter is trying to lift as much as possible: in order to do so, certain form can be essential, but the form is a means to THIS end: moving the weight.

    the Bodybuilider, on the other hand, cares more about hypertrophy and the elusive word "shape": so his "form" is concentrated on achieving those goals.

    The powerlifter couldn't give a hoot about whether his pecs are contracting strongly during a bench...so, again, his goals are different and his form is modeled around that goal.


    But you are right Oxie: form is just as important to a powerlifter.

    just shows the relativity of certain words we throw around here.
    Lift as MUCH as you can, for as MANY reps as you can,
    while in complete control of the exercise.
    Reply With Quote

  21. #21
    Powerlifting in disguise induced_drag's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Age: 51
    Posts: 11,952
    Rep Power: 212604
    induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    induced_drag is offline
    Originally Posted by bigtallox View Post
    .
    The biggest difference is diet.

    Quoted for truth.


    Take Dave Gulledge as an example. Pretty stout powerlifter right?. Looks like a powerlifter does he not?






    Oh wait! When he drops weight, he does not make a bad bodybuilder either!

    Not seeing a lot of deficiencies in his physique from powerlifting only. (but true if he were a pure bodybuilder he may focus on some specific parts rather then specific lifts). Pretty impressive physique though.




    RAW lifts
    635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
    585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
    420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
    535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
    Reply With Quote

  22. #22
    All the way from the UK clive's Avatar
    Join Date: Nov 2003
    Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain)
    Age: 64
    Posts: 8,064
    Rep Power: 235478
    clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) clive has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    clive is offline
    Originally Posted by fraherg View Post
    there are some guys in my gym who's arms are huge however I watch them train and in all honesty I dont see them pushing weights that are that are massively heavier than mine, I am wondering if maybe there is something I am missing?
    Apart from the fact these guys in the gym are probably big due to being younger and lifting longer, they might well just have bigger builds anyway.
    I've been lifting for 13 years and feel I've done well but I still work with guys that are bigger than me with wider shoulders and thicker necks (not difficult) and I know for a fact they've never worked out in their lives.
    Best to enjoy the improvements you make on your own body rather than compare yourself to others.
    Reply With Quote

  23. #23
    Registered User JOHN GARGANI's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2004
    Location: Connecticut, United States
    Age: 72
    Posts: 12,657
    Rep Power: 50532
    JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    JOHN GARGANI is offline
    Best to enjoy the improvements you make on your own body rather than compare yourself to others.
    Clive! old buddy, great to see you in this thread!

    and yes, your words of advice are golden to the original poster, of whom, admittingly, we have "sort" of hijacked his thread slightly.....

    keep this one going guys!
    Lift as MUCH as you can, for as MANY reps as you can,
    while in complete control of the exercise.
    Reply With Quote

  24. #24
    Registered User dave43's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2010
    Age: 50
    Posts: 346
    Rep Power: 256
    dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50) dave43 will become famous soon enough. (+50)
    dave43 is offline
    Originally Posted by Smelly bull View Post
    Hmm...powerlifters have to focus on control, otherwise gravity takes over. Try benching in the 400+ out of control..bad things happen.

    I never believed in the rep range/body type relation. I was born skinny, I was skinny until I discovered lifting large and eating.

    Why does a powerlifter and bb have different physiques? I will start off and say I have gone to numerous powerlifting meets and the lower weight classes, many are ripped. Most people here would kill to have their physiques. Why the difference? Diet comes 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

    And I tarely take advice from someone along the likes of Kai Greene or any other enhanced bodybuilder. I spent to much time in "unlearning" off all the bioscience these guys push.
    With all due respect...I think Kai Greene is a bad example of a pro pushing bro science. If anything Kai is in tune with correct form and preaches alot of good advice. I have learned alot from his videos. Now if you had said Branch warren I would have been in total agreement.
    Reply With Quote

  25. #25
    that **** cray koolskool's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2012
    Posts: 712
    Rep Power: 396
    koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250) koolskool has a spectacular aura about. (+250)
    koolskool is offline
    ^This.
    I've watched several of Kai's videos. I have learned a great deal. Also he's a very humble dood.
    And swole.
    ----------start -------------- current

    squat---135x5----------------265x5
    bench---135x1---------------230x1, 195x5
    dead----155x5---------------325x1, 305x5
    military-70x5----------------130x5
    chins----BWx8--------------+70x2
    dips-----BWx14------------ +80x5
    BOR -----115x5--------------205x3
    db row---55x8---------------100x7
    inc DB press------45x5------80x3, 75x7
    seated DB press--35x5------60x4
    Reply With Quote

  26. #26
    Powerlifting in disguise induced_drag's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Age: 51
    Posts: 11,952
    Rep Power: 212604
    induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) induced_drag has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    induced_drag is offline
    Originally Posted by dave43 View Post
    With all due respect...I think Kai Greene is a bad example of a pro pushing bro science. If anything Kai is in tune with correct form and preaches alot of good advice. I have learned alot from his videos. Now if you had said Branch warren I would have been in total agreement.
    While true Kai makes some good points....I too agree that taking his philosophies as the best way forward may not be the best move. His ideas of training, this lighter weight MMC philosophy, does not necessarily share the same results for a non-enhanced trainee. Not to say NOTHING is of value....but I would instead look to top level natural bodybuilders as to what they do. Most of their routines are based on moving fairly large weights in compound movements. I think you would be surprised just how strong some of those guys are! They of course do iso work, and pump work...but much less of it then the "Pros" do. Their volume of training is generally much less as well.

    Again....he is one of the best at what he does and hold a ton of knowledge, but those methods may not yield the best results in un-aided training.
    RAW lifts
    635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
    585x7 Dead reps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yf2ZkdNNNQ
    420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
    535 Squat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdgVaiTi4-8&feature=youtu.be
    Reply With Quote

  27. #27
    Registered User JOHN GARGANI's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2004
    Location: Connecticut, United States
    Age: 72
    Posts: 12,657
    Rep Power: 50532
    JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) JOHN GARGANI has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    JOHN GARGANI is offline
    right, ID, because these guys have built a solid foundation with compound and heavy BEFORE modifying their approach to current needs...

    similar to guys like Mentzer and Dorian , who, espoused very few sets LONG after they had put in years of heavy and multiple set workouts....

    I think I mentioned way back in this thread that form is relative to what stage you are in , BB-wise, as needs change as time goes on.....
    Lift as MUCH as you can, for as MANY reps as you can,
    while in complete control of the exercise.
    Reply With Quote

  28. #28
    Canadian in Korea Juggertha's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2012
    Location: Hong Kong
    Age: 50
    Posts: 1,712
    Rep Power: 8853
    Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000) Juggertha is a name known to all. (+5000)
    Juggertha is offline
    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    Quoted for truth.


    Take Dave Gulledge as an example. Pretty stout powerlifter right?. Looks like a powerlifter does he not?






    Oh wait! When he drops weight, he does not make a bad bodybuilder either!

    Not seeing a lot of deficiencies in his physique from powerlifting only. (but true if he were a pure bodybuilder he may focus on some specific parts rather then specific lifts). Pretty impressive physique though.




    ID, while I really am impressed with this guy's build, I can't say it's reflective of most of the powerlifters I've trained with. If anything, he reminds me more of the Strongmen I've known.
    I don't lift weights, I flex under duress.

    My 12 month progress thread
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=155962953&p=1113020323#post1113020323
    Reply With Quote

  29. #29
    Registered User geer_matt's Avatar
    Join Date: Jun 2009
    Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, United States
    Age: 51
    Posts: 2,052
    Rep Power: 3960
    geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500) geer_matt is a glorious beacon of knowledge. (+2500)
    geer_matt is offline
    Compound movements, eat a lot, sleep a lot. There is your answer OP.
    Get your ass in the gym period!
    Reply With Quote

  30. #30
    Registered User Guinea-pig's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2009
    Age: 64
    Posts: 1,500
    Rep Power: 20990
    Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000) Guinea-pig has much to be proud of. One of the best! (+20000)
    Guinea-pig is offline
    Originally Posted by caaraa View Post
    A powerlifter is focused on moving weights. Like implementing tonnage theory etc.

    Yep, in powerlifting the most important factor is strength.
    Reply With Quote

Similar Threads

  1. How do you get big arms????
    By bodyhard in forum Over 35 Misc
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: 06-20-2012, 08:09 AM
  2. How do you get big? Legit question... PLEASE READ
    By Chilaha in forum Teen Bodybuilding
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 05-12-2012, 08:56 AM
  3. How do you get big CUT arms, not just BIG?
    By club350.com in forum Workout Programs
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 06-30-2003, 07:57 PM
  4. How do you get big?
    By Jonboy in forum Exercises
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 04-18-2002, 12:33 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts