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    Firearms experts need help

    Are single action revolvers still viable for self/home defense? I know any gun is better than no gun, but would you guys feel comfortable using one? I'm also split between .45lc and .357. Any advice?


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    The best gun for self defense is the one you carry.
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    Whichever gun you feel comfortable with and shoot the best will be the best for you. Generally though, single action isnt the best because in a life or death defensive situation, cocking the hammer back is a big problem. Most people dont even remember how many rounds they shot, I knew a guy who forgot to pump his 12g shotgun in such a situation.

    When I used to teach concealed carry courses, people who qualified with revolvers were not alout to shoot single action for the above reasons, if you need to pull your gun and use it, you dont want to have to do much more than point it and pull the trigger.

    If you havnt purchased the gun yet, I would suggest the ruger gp100 in the 3" version because it has a fixed rear sight, also a 357 mag will allow you to practice with 38spcl ammo (much cheaper). 45lc ammo can be hard to find and expensive when you do, I have seen it upwards of 50 dollars for a box of 50 compared to 25 dollars/100 rds of 38spcl.

    If you plan to carry this weapon daily and want a revolver, id suggest a ruger sp101 in 357 mag. Those cowboy guns are cool and there are some old timers who conceal carry those things but its not for everybody, you cant safely carry one cocked, and in a defensive situation, the fact of the matter is that you may simply forget to cock it and not fire any shots.

    dot think for one second that you can beat the statistics and draw, cock, get a good aim and fire for a one stop shot, its simply not the reality. For a defensive pistol you really should look at something you can point and shoot.

    I dont think im an expert but I was a firearms training instructor for 2 different PDs and an LEO for 12 years before moving to govt work where I still do the occasional instruction course for new candidates and q courses for existing employees.

    hope that helps, happy to answer any more questions.
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    A baseball bat is still viable for self defense when you get down to it. I know little about single action revolvers, but I know that some? do not have a opening cylinder w/ crane so you have to load/unload shells one at a time. Most people do not own a modern revolver because they think its outdated and inefficient. A cowboy single action..... thats even steeper
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    Originally Posted by Turbomunkey View Post
    A baseball bat is still viable for self defense when you get down to it. I know little about single action revolvers, but I know that some? do not have a opening cylinder w/ crane so you have to load/unload shells one at a time. Most people do not own a modern revolver because they think its outdated and inefficient. A cowboy single action..... thats even steeper
    yeah, exactly, so even if you manage to dump the 6 in it, there is no possible way to re-load in a tamely maner. this goes back to old school gunfighters who carried 2 revolvers.....shooting from both hands??? nope, just a second pistol in case one ran out of ammo.
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    Thanks for the input. But I think i used to wrong word, I meant to say home defense. I'm in Canada so CC is a big no no, and to some extent so is using deadly force. I'm thinking of the single action because, if i had to take it out, it would probably be when a burglar walks into my room. Distance would be like less than 15 ft. My other choice is a Norinco 1911a1.
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    Would be viable. Just Practice. Would be less forgiving than a hi cap semi.
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    Originally Posted by wwarlockk View Post
    Thanks for the input. But I think i used to wrong word, I meant to say home defense. I'm in Canada so CC is a big no no, and to some extent so is using deadly force. I'm thinking of the single action because, if i had to take it out, it would probably be when a burglar walks into my room. Distance would be like less than 15 ft. My other choice is a Norinco 1911a1.
    Why are these your 2 choices? Between the two run the 1911. Magzine fed and still a respectable round compared to the revolver offerings
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    Originally Posted by Turbomunkey View Post
    Why are these your 2 choices? Between the two run the 1911. Magzine fed and still a respectable round compared to the revolver offerings
    Price is an issue. In Canada, firearms are inflated. A Norinco, and Single action, I can get for around 350 each. Also as others mentioned, I can shoot .38's if i get the SA in .357.
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    He said home defense not a target pistol.
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    He said home defense not a target pistol.
    He said home defense not cowboy action competition
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    Economically, is it cheaper to shoot .357/.38 than .45 acp? I usually shoot surplus 7.62x39, thats like 10 cents/shot.
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    Alright guys, I figured it out. I'll probably get the revolver, as I might pick up a lever in .357 as well. Thanks for the help! The 1911 would be next.
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    Originally Posted by wwarlockk View Post
    Thanks for the input. But I think i used to wrong word, I meant to say home defense. I'm in Canada so CC is a big no no, and to some extent so is using deadly force. I'm thinking of the single action because, if i had to take it out, it would probably be when a burglar walks into my room. Distance would be like less than 15 ft. My other choice is a Norinco 1911a1.
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    Originally Posted by 13donniedarko View Post
    hng norinco 1911 go with this srs
    I would but I'd be tempted to mod the **** out of it. grips, extra mags, refinishing, etc. I'm gonna stop by the store, and see them in person.
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    Why is your selection so limited??? With so many good choices out there, the 2 you have listed (while both good in their own right) arent that great.

    Norinco is pretty shotty at best, If you want a 1911, go with something reputable, Some good companies make a decent 1911 that you wont have to mortgage a house for. Id say look at the ruger sr1911 and the springfield gi are both good places to start. Also Rock island armory puts out a pretty solid basic 1911 that goes for less than 400 bucks if you look around.

    As for the revolver, why is single action your only option? look into ruger sp101 and gp100 models, both are relativly affordable. You couuls also look into smith and wesson pistols.

    I know the urge to get something sooner than later can be strong, but I would highly consider waiting a bit, maybe using your money as a down payment on something good, if you buy cheap, you will just regret it and want something better. Ruger makes some 9mm pistols that can be found for under 300 bucks and are well known to be solid performers.

    I would highly look into guns that are well known for reliability and quality.

    -Sig Sauer: 226, 220,229....also the SP2022 is highly regarded and can be found for about 400 bucks/

    -Glock: 17/22, 19/23....cant really go wrong there

    -S&W: M&P pistols, airweight revolvers wtc, etc

    -Ruger: gp100, sp101, p95, p45....

    I would honestly look into something along those lines, you will be dissapointed if you cheap out for the first time. get something good. buy once, cry once.

    But let me again say, the Sig Sauer SP2022 is probably one of the best deals out there for a flat out kick ass pistol at a good price. they come in 9mm, 40cal, 357 sig.

    heres the link to it:

    http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/sp2022.aspx

    Also the ruger p95 is a great option at around 300 bucks, heres a link

    http://ruger.com/products/p95/models.html

    If money were an issue, I would buy either of those before considering a drop in quality. The two options I showed you represent a good price with no loss of quality.
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    An sp101 is like 700 dollars. The single action is 350-400 tops, so is the 1911. The polymer pistols don't really matter in Canada as we're only limited to 10 rounds . So the comparison between a Hi-cap guns and a 1911 isn't really an issue rounds wise. I won't be carrying it on me anyways (no cc or oc) so it being light weight or a bit hefty wouldn't matter to me. It's just something to keep locked in the safe in case I ever need it. But I'll check the ones you've listed, because my first choice would probably been a glock 19. Are norincos really that bad? I know the US banned their import, but in Canada they're pretty popular. I've talked with others, and they seem to be pretty well made (steel not finish lol)


    edit: Also the shape of the SA makes it "roll", so I thought it might help with the recoil
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    Originally Posted by China505 View Post
    Why is your selection so limited??? With so many good choices out there, the 2 you have listed (while both good in their own right) arent that great.

    Norinco is pretty shotty at best, If you want a 1911, go with something reputable, Some good companies make a decent 1911 that you wont have to mortgage a house for. Id say look at the ruger sr1911 and the springfield gi are both good places to start. Also Rock island armory puts out a pretty solid basic 1911 that goes for less than 400 bucks if you look around.

    As for the revolver, why is single action your only option? look into ruger sp101 and gp100 models, both are relativly affordable. You couuls also look into smith and wesson pistols.

    I know the urge to get something sooner than later can be strong, but I would highly consider waiting a bit, maybe using your money as a down payment on something good, if you buy cheap, you will just regret it and want something better. Ruger makes some 9mm pistols that can be found for under 300 bucks and are well known to be solid performers.

    I would highly look into guns that are well known for reliability and quality.

    -Sig Sauer: 226, 220,229....also the SP2022 is highly regarded and can be found for about 400 bucks/

    -Glock: 17/22, 19/23....cant really go wrong there

    -S&W: M&P pistols, airweight revolvers wtc, etc

    -Ruger: gp100, sp101, p95, p45....

    I would honestly look into something along those lines, you will be dissapointed if you cheap out for the first time. get something good. buy once, cry once.

    But let me again say, the Sig Sauer SP2022 is probably one of the best deals out there for a flat out kick ass pistol at a good price. they come in 9mm, 40cal, 357 sig.

    heres the link to it:

    http://sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/sp2022.aspx

    Also the ruger p95 is a great option at around 300 bucks, heres a link

    http://ruger.com/products/p95/models.html

    If money were an issue, I would buy either of those before considering a drop in quality. The two options I showed you represent a good price with no loss of quality.
    urine idiot, norinco is not shotty. look at "high end" brand name 1911s with parts breaking.
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    Originally Posted by wwarlockk View Post
    An sp101 is like 700 dollars. The single action is 350-400 tops, so is the 1911. The polymer pistols don't really matter in Canada as we're only limited to 10 rounds . So the comparison between a Hi-cap guns and a 1911 isn't really an issue rounds wise. I won't be carrying it on me anyways (no cc or oc) so it being light weight or a bit hefty wouldn't matter to me. It's just something to keep locked in the safe in case I ever need it. But I'll check the ones you've listed, because my first choice would probably been a glock 19. Are norincos really that bad? I know the US banned their import, but in Canada they're pretty popular. I've talked with others, and they seem to be pretty well made (steel not finish lol)


    edit: Also the shape of the SA makes it "roll", so I thought it might help with the recoil
    don't listen to him, also supposedly norinco was selling full autos to gangs in cali is why the import ban but it seems fishy.
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    Originally Posted by 13donniedarko View Post
    don't listen to him, also supposedly norinco was selling full autos to gangs in cali is why the import ban but it seems fishy.

    Any gun can break weather its a 3000 dollar gun or a 150 dollar one. Norincos are most certainly POS guns. The only reason they are popular in Canada is because with inflated gun prices, norincos are still pretty cheap. Norinco is a knock off company, they just make copies of other models.

    I dont know where you hang out, but Norinco is not a high quality weapon.

    "dont listen to him"

    you are a dumbass, I gave a ****load of good advice from experience, not internet reading and you say dont listen to me because I call Norinco ****ty? give me ****ing break. lol.
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    Originally Posted by China505 View Post
    Any gun can break weather its a 3000 dollar gun or a 150 dollar one. Norincos are most certainly POS guns. The only reason they are popular in Canada is because with inflated gun prices, norincos are still pretty cheap. Norinco is a knock off company, they just make copies of other models.

    I dont know where you hang out, but Norinco is not a high quality weapon.

    "dont listen to him"

    you are a dumbass, I gave a ****load of good advice from experience, not internet reading and you say dont listen to me because I call Norinco ****ty? give me ****ing break. lol.
    Late to this party, but you must have no experience with Norinco 1911's. They use some of the hardest steel of any manufacturer (they literally use rail road steel). They are incredibly desirable in the US as a base gun to customize. Also popular as a race gun base. Loose tolerances, but durable as sht and reliable. A lot of smiths wont mill them, and if they do, make you buy them a new cutter head.

    In their stock form they are no Wilson, but perfectly acceptable for SD/HD use unless something is wrong with it.

    To answer OP's question, I would feel confident with the 1911 as long as it has been adequately function tested and reliable. Lots of people have been using them for the same purpose for more than 100 years.

    If you want to stick with .357/.38, the lever gun that you mentioned would make a very capable home defense weapon. Quick handling, great cartridge, decent capacity, and throw it in the mud without thinking twice reliability. You arent going to be taking down squads of ninja assassins, but with limited resources/Canadian laws, its not a bad option.
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    A 150 clam used 12 gauge pump shotgun would make a far better home defense weapon than any pistol ever made. Have you no idea about what you speak or have you no experience whatsoever? It has to be one or the other or a combination of both because the question you asked is nonsensical in and of itself. This is not necessarily a bad thing, just ignorance. Ignorance simply means you don't know...........and that can be fixed.
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    Originally Posted by wwarlockk View Post
    An sp101 is like 700 dollars. The single action is 350-400 tops, so is the 1911. The polymer pistols don't really matter in Canada as we're only limited to 10 rounds . So the comparison between a Hi-cap guns and a 1911 isn't really an issue rounds wise. I won't be carrying it on me anyways (no cc or oc) so it being light weight or a bit hefty wouldn't matter to me. It's just something to keep locked in the safe in case I ever need it. But I'll check the ones you've listed, because my first choice would probably been a glock 19. Are norincos really that bad? I know the US banned their import, but in Canada they're pretty popular. I've talked with others, and they seem to be pretty well made (steel not finish lol)


    edit: Also the shape of the SA makes it "roll", so I thought it might help with the recoil
    An SA does sort of roll so it helps with recoil but a hot 45 LC is still a very stout round. A light cowboy load has very little pop about what a 45acp puts out in fact. The 1911 is by far the better choice but yes a SA is still viable for home defense just like any other gun. With the practice I've had I am confident I could make good use of one and my 45LC is my favorite pistol to shoot but that doesn't stop me from having a modern auto in the night stand.

    Of course non of this will matter since its going to be in your safe and useless when someone busts down your door at o-dark thirty. It will just become another part of the booty they steal from your home while you watch helpless because you kept your gun stored away instead of close by where it could be used.
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