Calling out brahs in WA, OR, CO, AR, NY, IL, OH, MA, and PA

[OminousD27]

The only people who will be doing this type of irresponsible **** are the people who are already doing it regardless of it's legality.

you cant honestly say that there will be no difference in weed use if made legal or not. Fear of getting caught keeps people in check and makes you more of a responsible person with your decisions. But whats the difference? Do you think employers will let you be stoned?

[scoveg13]

no, and thats because criminals are going to criminal. just like banning guns wouldn't work. I say keep it illegal and get the idiots off of the streets.

Thanks for the neg man. Real mature of you to neg someone for having a different opinion.

[puremb]

Paying taxes on drugs. Not even once.

Taxes are already being paid on it. Every time it passes to a new buyer it goes through a mark up in price, without that money going towards something useful that helps you in return. At least with a more formal setting were only looking at 1-2 markups from grower to retail, Instead from grower to buyer to buyer to buyer... until it finally reaches the consumer.

[Twist3dJok3r]

If alcohol is legal, why not weed.

[griepes]

yes alcohol should be illegal. they voted for it once, but now everyone thinks it's what you need to do to be cool. Just like 40+years ago with cigarettes. Eventually it will fade and people will realize it is just as dangerous as other drugs.
read above point pretty much same philosophy. I prefer to be in full control of my body at all times, why use some kind of inhibitor on myself that could lead me to make bad choices or injure myself/others.

"Marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form new memories and to shift focus. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia—parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. Therefore, learning, doing complicated tasks, participating in athletics, and driving are also affected."

Why should other people be barred from making that choice for themselves? Lol bad choices, yeah you might eat a whole bag of cheetos, that is the worst that would happen. Also could you please provide the link? inb4 .gov

Ill even look past wherever you got your info from, are those reasons enough that it should remain illegal? (Dont just say yes, give me some reasoning)

You clearly dont understand that prohibition is not that way to go it only causes more problems then it intends to "fix"

“Prohibition... goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control mans' appetite through legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not even crimes... A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our Government was founded.” - Abraham Lincoln

[scoveg13]

If you really think weed needs to still be illegal in this day and age than I really pity you.

brb watching a movie
brb writing
brb eatin' some snacks
brb enjoying music
brb cannabis has shown to reduce the effects of cancer
brb examining life and bettering myself
brb falling asleep easier
brb not throwing up like alcohol causes
brb not hungover
brb not beating my wife after along day of work (im speaking in general terms lol)

etc

[OminousD27]

Sorry but you will always have to pay more for a black market product.

Benefits to marijuana being legal: Tax money, people no longer being put in jail, significant blow to cartel operations, more jobs, controlled and regulated market, need I go on?

Your benefits are a contradiction. Yes sure, tax money. But with everything else, it will be taxed 100 times over because they know stoners will keep paying for it. Cartels will just use something else to keep there operations running, besides, do you believe individual operations wont be under attack from cartels if it is there source of income? More jobs go right back to taxes. If you get this big boom of production, yes it will be good, but eventually it will all come crashing right to the ground and you'll end up with unemployment just like today.

[puremb]

you cant honestly say that there will be no difference in weed use if made legal or not. Fear of getting caught keeps people in check and makes you more of a responsible person with your decisions. But whats the difference? Do you think employers will let you be stoned?

Fear of getting caught will still be a reality, just like why people don't routinely go into work drunk. I'm all for full punishment when being intoxicated at inappropriate times. The only difference is you won't be treated like a low life criminal and sent to prison, you'll be treated like an irresponsible adult. Come into work high? Get fired. Driving while blazed out of your skull? Get a DUI. Do it more than once? get your license taken away. Not sent to jail for your first offense.

[griepes]

you cant honestly say that there will be no difference in weed use if made legal or not. Fear of getting caught keeps people in check and makes you more of a responsible person with your decisions. But whats the difference? Do you think employers will let you be stoned?

Shouldnt one be judged on work performance not what recreational substances they like to partake in?

^and all that.

[m314]

Taxes are already being paid on it. Every time it passes to a new buyer it goes through a mark up in price, without that money going towards something useful that helps you in return. At least with a more formal setting were only looking at 1-2 markups from grower to retail, Instead from grower to buyer to buyer to buyer... until it finally reaches the consumer.

The wholesale price will also drop dramatically once it's legal. Growers charge thousands of dollars a pound because they're taking a huge legal risk. Remove the legal risk, and the price goes down. Even if the taxes are high, the final price at the store should be lower than what people pay on the black market now.

[scoveg13]

Fear of getting caught will still be a reality, just like why people don't routinely go into work drunk. I'm all for full punishment when being intoxicated at inappropriate times. The only difference is you won't be treated like a low life criminal and sent to prison, you'll be treated like an irresponsible adult. Come into work high? Get fired. Driving while blazed out of your skull? Get a DUI. Do it more than once? get your license taken away. Not sent to jail for your first offense.

This makes perfect sense, treat it like alcohol. To lock someone in a box for years at a time for smoking a plant that grow naturally is completely and immorally insane. (I've been listening to too much Joe Rogan lately lol)

[TurkeyMan1992]

Voting "No". I dont need potheads roaming around my neighborhood and having them influence kids to try this addictive drug.





























lol

[scoveg13]

Voting "No". I dont need potheads roaming around my neighborhood and having them influence kids to try this addictive drug.





























lol

brb going to a head shop and buying salvia instead lol

[OminousD27]

Shouldnt one be judged on work performance not what recreational substances they like to partake in?

^and all that.

what you do on your own time is fine. but can you say that weed doesn't effect your productivity?

[Strelok]

no, and thats because criminals are going to criminal. just like banning guns wouldn't work. I say keep it illegal and get the idiots off of the streets.

Right, because the last 80 years of prohibition have been a great example of how "getting the criminals off the streets" (lol) works and how it has reduced the usage of cannabis.

k

[Driftslut]

Theres so many biased articles supporting/discrediting it that there is no point to even attempt to argue about it.

Sadly this.

I guess that's what happens when politics, and every other mouth breathing retard out there tries to get involved.

I'm all for legalizing it for "recreational use"...but not for "medicinal purposes" yet.(I'm not saying that it doesn't have medicinal properties (because quite frankly, it does), but more research needs to be involved before calling or using it as "medicine")

Whats so bad about it then? Atleast give me that.

Since you asked...

Well, for one, you are inhaling something other than oxygen (and any other atmospheric gas). Tell me how that won't have any consequences.

(also it's highly impure, there are 400+ chemicals that make up the plant....components such as carbon monoxide, nitrosamines, and benzopyrene are in it)

[OminousD27]

Fear of getting caught will still be a reality, just like why people don't routinely go into work drunk. I'm all for full punishment when being intoxicated at inappropriate times. The only difference is you won't be treated like a low life criminal and sent to prison, you'll be treated like an irresponsible adult. Come into work high? Get fired. Driving while blazed out of your skull? Get a DUI. Do it more than once? get your license taken away. Not sent to jail for your first offense.

Well then your fight should be with whoever makes the charges for the crime. simply making something legal to change something unlawful doesn't produce the best results. Alot of charges for alot of crimes are ridiculous.

[m314]

Fear of getting caught will still be a reality, just like why people don't routinely go into work drunk. I'm all for full punishment when being intoxicated at inappropriate times. The only difference is you won't be treated like a low life criminal and sent to prison, you'll be treated like an irresponsible adult. Come into work high? Get fired. Driving while blazed out of your skull? Get a DUI. Do it more than once? get your license taken away. Not sent to jail for your first offense.

I don't understand why people think that legalization means everyone will get high all the time. People don't generally work or drive drunk like you said.

Some recent studies actually show a drop in traffic accidents and fatalities in places where it has been legalized or decriminalized. When cannabis consumption goes up, alcohol consumption goes down. People shouldn't drive high, of course, but high drivers are safer than drunk drivers. People get overconfident when they're drunk and end up taking more stupid risks. The opposite happens with marijuana users.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/0...raffic-deaths/

[scoveg13]

Right, because the last 80 years of prohibition have been a great example of how "getting the criminals off the streets" (lol) works and how it has reduced the usage of cannabis.

k

ahahahahaha

[griepes]

Your benefits are a contradiction.
1. Yes sure, tax money. But with everything else, it will be taxed 100 times over because they know stoners will keep paying for it.

2. Cartels will just use something else to keep there operations running, besides, do you believe individual operations wont be under attack from cartels if it is there source of income?

3. More jobs go right back to taxes. If you get this big boom of production, yes it will be good, but eventually it will all come crashing right to the ground and you'll end up with unemployment just like today.

Im sorry but whats the contradiction?

1. So you agree it will generate alot of tax money.

2. Drugs are like any other commodity so it relies on supply and demand, so for them to generate 60% of their icome from somewhere else is far fetched. Yes i do believe individual operations will be safe, did gangsters go after alchohol companies after prohibiton was repealed?

3. So if its a product that people will keep paying for how will it come crashing down? Im not saying making marijuana legal will fix economy but it would help.

[m314]

what you do on your own time is fine. but can you say that weed doesn't effect your productivity?

Weed has zero negative effects on my productivity. I'm never high at work, and I eat or vaporize very little if any during the week. What I do on the weekends has no effect on my job (unless I'm on call, in which case I'll stay sober).

[SkinnyNonlifter]

I don't understand why people think that legalization means everyone will get high all the time. People don't generally work or drive drunk like you said.

Some recent studies actually show a drop in traffic accidents and fatalities in places where it has been legalized or decriminalized. When cannabis consumption goes up, alcohol consumption goes down. People shouldn't drive high, of course, but high drivers are safer than drunk drivers. People get overconfident when they're drunk and end up taking more stupid risks. The opposite happens with marijuana users.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/0...raffic-deaths/

marijuana also simply does not affect your motor skills to the same extent that alcohol does. (not saying its safe to drive high)

[scoveg13]

Since you asked...

Well, for one, you are inhaling something other than oxygen (and any other atmospheric gas). Tell me how that won't have any consequences.

(also it's highly impure, there are 400+ chemicals that make up the plant....components such as carbon monoxide, nitrosamines, and benzopyrene are in it)

But cigs are legal still and contain around 500 different toxic chemicals...also you don't have to smoke marijuana, it can be baked with and you can also get concentrated forms of THC. The government doesn't give two ****s about your health so this isn't even a factor. It all comes down to big pharma lobbying to keep it illegal.

[SilverSpork]

Anyone against legalization with followup laws like being able to get a DUI or public intox while using MJ, is either incredibly ignorant and/or just plain stupid. No other way around it. Any argument against it is laughable, and always follows up with circular logic from the other side.

Just because it is legalized (If it is), does not mean everyone is all of the sudden going to be driving down the freeway stoned, operating excavators stoned, etc. It is ridiculously easy to get, whoever wants it while it is still illegal right now, can sure as hell get it. When it comes down to it, all you are doing by legalizing it is:

1) being able to tax it
2) taking power away from drug dealers. The DEA is failing big time and wasting money on the 'war on drugs'. Ironically if we were to legalize MJ, their war on drugs would be reduced somewhat (reducing income to dealers of hard drugs, etc).
3) not throwing otherwise harmless and good citizens in jail/prison over something so trivial

Use some common sense. I didn't even read most of this thread because I don't want to get irritated by some of the duller minds who've posted.

BTW I rarely, rarely, smoke. So don't think I'm some hippie 'pothead' that you anti MJ folks like to stereotype poeple as. I have an M.S. and have been employed as a geologist for almost 5 years now. I finished my undergrad early. I know doctors who smoke. Most people who use MJ you would never have guessed in your wildest dreams, and guess what.....they all contribute to society more than your sorry asses most likely do.

[twb]

I would vote to legalize if it was a choice in my state, but do not fool yourself into thinking MJ is harmless. It can have long lasting effects on people along with its potentially undesirable short term effects (not munchies).

People should be free to make their own choices. Legalizing it won't make people who have remained sober all this time want to go out and try it.

[moosecakes4all]

hurts no one but themselves? what about people that suffer from asthma and other bronchial issues that will have to inhale the second hand smoke from it?




no coffee or tea for me, but I understand your thinking. the problem is is that nationally it was deemed a drug for a reason (inb4 conspiracy theories). Also make note that smoking tobacco was thought to be good for you at one point also. Hell people even thought drilling holes into their skulls was a good idea at one point in human history. Does not make it safe.

Neurosurgeons still drill holes in people's skulls on a daily basis. Its called trepanation or craniectomy.

[YasiinBey]

no, and thats because criminals are going to criminal. just like banning guns wouldn't work. I say keep it illegal and get the idiots off of the streets.

i bet you think synthetic heroin (aka oxycontin) is okay to kill pain instead of weed for those who have to go through chit like chemo and painful surgeries

[griepes]

Sadly this.

I guess that's what happens when politics, and every other mouth breathing retard out there tries to get involved.

I'm all for legalizing it for "recreational use"...but not for "medicinal purposes" yet.(I'm not saying that it doesn't have medicinal properties (because quite frankly, it does), but more research needs to be involved before calling or using it as "medicine")

Since you asked...

Well, for one, you are inhaling something other than oxygen (and any other atmospheric gas). Tell me how that won't have any consequences.

(also it's highly impure, there are 400+ chemicals that make up the plant....components such as carbon monoxide, nitrosamines, and benzopyrene are in it)

So what more do you need for it be to deemed medical? Is not the living proof of it helping people enough? I do agree that there is room for it to be more refined and such.

On the first page I stated that inhaling smoke of any kind is bad for you, you can get the effects without smoking. Ok what negative impacts do those chemicals have on ones health directly.

what you do on your own time is fine. but can you say that weed doesn't effect your productivity?

It may for some, others not. And if it does affect your productivity then you should be fired for not doing a good job.

[MyBodyIsRdy420]

Came in expecting MISC to make me proud.

Leaving sad. I'm just glad that my state has MMJ already. It's terrible system, but it's much better than nothing.

[TheRejuvenated]

lol @ voting yes. dumb *******s