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    Shoulders the most underworked muscle group in terms of aesthetics?

    People seem to think triceps, biceps and chest are the most eye popping muscles on a guy, anyone think shoulders are pretty overlooked?

    Hooge delts and wide shoulders can make a guy look like a baws.
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    I think traps and lats are important too dude, its all about muscle symmetry/being lean for aesthetics imo
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    Everything I do revolves around shoulders. I persnally think shoulders is the most asethetic part of the body. Just look at zyzz and jailbaitwarrior (no homo)














    Ok just alittle homo
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    shoulders for a lot of people are hard gainers, but I agree, they can shape your body. Also, for me looking at peoples shoulders is a way to tell if natty or not.
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    symmetry is important, but honestly I feel shoulders especially side delts are more important.

    Side delts, lean, narrow waist = automatically aesthetic, unless there is something freakishly ugly about you lol.
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    Originally Posted by Jagd24 View Post
    shoulders for a lot of people are hard gainers, but I agree, they can shape your body. Also, for me looking at peoples shoulders is a way to tell if natty or not.
    What if someone has great shoulder (and trap) genetics and specialises on them?

    I never understood these vague correlational factors as a guarantee of anything. (Until a guy is 240lbs shredded, natch )
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    Agree, been hitting delts/traps hard to get them to catch up and I finally have symmetrical shoulders.

    Also a wide back with a narrow waste
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    Originally Posted by Penile_Dementia View Post
    symmetry is important, but honestly I feel shoulders especially side delts are more important.

    Side delts, lean, narrow waist = automatically aesthetic, unless there is something freakishly ugly about you lol.
    When you said narrow waist, it should be 30-34"?
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    I always thought it was

    1. chest
    2. shoulders
    3. biceps
    4. triceps

    that said, if you have major imbalances then it doesn't matter if you have a 42" chest or not.
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    "Wide Shoulders" are mostly the bone structure and that's genetic.

    <----- Decent shoulders but narrow frame so I look like a fridge
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    Originally Posted by Penile_Dementia View Post
    What if someone has great shoulder (and trap) genetics and specialises on them?

    I never understood these vague correlational factors as a guarantee of anything. (Until a guy is 240lbs shredded, natch )
    never said anything was guarantee, but like its been posted if the symmetry is off...to me it makes me say "hmm" not saying its a tell all, at all.
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    Originally Posted by RepTillFailure View Post
    When you said narrow waist, it should be 30-34"?
    Some people have a 34 inch waist on a small frame that is just fat. Many people have a wide waist but look aesthetic. Some people's waist are wide but very narrow from a side view leading to a small measurement. Who cares about measurements. It "should" be who gives a fuk... A waist that is relatively narrow on a frame is something that is visually apparent, not measured.

    If you've got a six pack, your waist doesn't look like Jay Cutler's, and wide, well developed side delts, you'll probably look pretty aesthetic.

    This is what people get wrong about Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Sorry, you ain't gonna look that aesthetic just by starving yourself to being very lean. He brought delts, traps, abs and nothing else to that movie and looked like a God. Or at least an aesthetically appealing athlete. Take away the shoulder development and he wouldn't look half as athletic.
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    spot on. what pops out at you? (Yeah his position somewhat emphasizes it too)

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    Originally Posted by 4za View Post
    spot on. what pops out at you? (Yeah his position somewhat emphasizes it too)

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    Originally Posted by 4za View Post
    spot on. what pops out at you? (Yeah his position somewhat emphasizes it too)

    he reminds me of a viking

    dem delts looking like armor
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    shoulders are my strongest muscle, genetics ftw. feels good man
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    Originally Posted by 4za View Post
    spot on. what pops out at you? (Yeah his position somewhat emphasizes it too)

    [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/T5ksL.jpg[IMG]
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    definitely, i don't get why all the phaggots are so obsessed with chest and biceps.
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    Shoulders should absolutely overpower everything else.

    They are the weakest link on your upper body regardless. 'A chain is only as strong as its weakest link' and all.

    This present trend of ginormous triceps/biceps is ridiculous. It makes your shoulders look narrower than they actually are and certainly puts them in a much weaker position. What's the point of that extra muscle when your shoulder itself can't even remotely keep up? I think this separates the insecure guys who just want to look murderous from the guys who actually will break every bone in your body by accident. It's like having spoilers on a really chitty pickup truck.
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    Rear delts to be on point,

    so much lacking on many people.

    I try to hit them first thing in my work out
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    Not really as they are used as synergists in alot of exercises e.g. rows, bench press, pull overs. If anything they are over-worked.
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    Originally Posted by Devils212 View Post
    Not really as they are used as synergists in alot of exercises e.g. rows, bench press, pull overs. If anything they are over-worked.
    The rotator cuff is frequently overworked while the rear and side delts tend to still be under developed in size and strength

    Regularly build up strength in and do a bunch of heavy benches one day, rows the next, shoulders the next, and you may grind down your cuff and joints while still having weak and undeveloped rear and side delts, so you are primed in every possible way for shoulder injury through a combination of the worst aspects of overwork and underwork.
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    Key to aesthetics that can be applied to most of the lifting population is:

    - No/less front delt work
    - More side delt work
    - Proportionate upper chest : lower chest
    - No freaky arms, especially triceps.
    - Little oblique/abs work
    - Calves, calves, calves and calves

    In other words, size should be:

    Legs > Back > Chest > Shoulders = Traps > Arms = Calves > Forearms
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    agree 100% with this thread. a few weeks ago a guy made a thread about chest being the number one muscle for aesthetics and i just shook my head. its all about shoulders, especially when you get the side AND rear poppin out nice. so many casual gym goers just do shoulder presses and maybe throw in some lateral raises (which are usually done much too heavy and w/ incorrect form). that used to be me but i realized my shoulders looked like shyt so i dropped the weight and now i use 10-15 lbs for lateral raises and it works great.

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    Originally Posted by xRedStaRx View Post
    Key to aesthetics that can be applied to most of the lifting population is:

    - No/less front delt work
    - More side delt work
    - Proportionate upper chest : lower chest
    - No freaky arms, especially triceps.
    - Little oblique/abs work
    - Calves, calves, calves and calves

    In other words, size should be:

    Legs > Back > Chest > Shoulders = Traps > Arms = Calves > Forearms
    Proportionally I would actually prioritise forearms ahead of upper arms. Especially because every manual labourer and farmer has bigger forearms than 95% of gym rats.
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    Shoulders make or break any physique (serious)

    bishes will think a guy with broad shoulders is 'stronger' (more alpha) than most dudes, even if the comparison dude has like 10 lbs+ more mass. My one buddy has very broad shoulders and nothing else about him is impressive in the least, yet bishes are always mirin him over bros of similar facial aesthetics and greater mass. Just one case, but im sure lots of people can relate
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    Originally Posted by Penile_Dementia View Post
    What if someone has great shoulder (and trap) genetics and specialises on them?

    I never understood these vague correlational factors as a guarantee of anything. (Until a guy is 240lbs shredded, natch )
    Yeah I always encounter this too actually. when I get a crazy shoulder pump, you can see all the striations and **** and I have mild body acne, so some people automatically assume
    i'm on the gear, which is just not true. I have low bf and wide shoulders as a result of being an ecto. I have a super hard time getting a bigger chest, though. I find people either have one or the other, it takes a lot of work to have both.
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    Originally Posted by Penile_Dementia View Post
    The rotator cuff is frequently overworked while the rear and side delts tend to still be under developed in size and strength

    Regularly build up strength in and do a bunch of heavy benches one day, rows the next, shoulders the next, and you may grind down your cuff and joints while still having weak and undeveloped rear and side delts, so you are primed in every possible way for shoulder injury through a combination of the worst aspects of overwork and underwork
    Regarding the rotator cuff this is a big problem when benching IMO as many people lock out when they shouldn't as it over-exerts on the rotators and joints which can be avoided if you stop just before locking out.

    I'm not sure if you can over-work the delts if the synergists are hitting different parts on different days e.g. day 1 rows hitting rears, day 2 bench anterior, etc. So in this regard in theory they shouldn't be overworked as each part of the delts should be getting more than enough rest if you aren't doing the same exercises every day. The laterals are the only part of the deltoid that isn't a synergist in other exercises that I'm aware of, so if you want to do any direct shoulder work then make sure it is lateral orientated e.g. shoulder presses, etc.
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