The Bozz deep effect. A waddling supp misc drama continued

[TheMatzah]

It's a "whatever - godsmack" mood right now.

rock on bros

[|ceman]

BTW there ice... TARP has been payed back.. you failed to mention that, regaurdless of what it did or didnt do to stimulate the economy it did keep the economy from total collapse. you are makeing no sence at all.. you say its wrong for the feds to dictate your health care but your defending obama care... wtf?

I'm sorry, but I find it grossly humorous that you feel that TARP saved the economy from total collapse. Millions, if not billions of TARP funds went to paying huge bonuses to the criminals who orchestrated the 2008 collapse and 2009+ recession/depression. Instead of paying bonuses the feds should have funded the prosecution of those scoundrels.

I am not defending obamacare. It scares me. But I don't think that everything bad related to healthcare today should be blindly blamed on it either.

What do you do if person A gets hit by a semi and is brought to the hospital? Let him die because he has no insurance?

IIRC, in those situations Hospitals are required at the very least to help the person return to 'stable' condition.

And who do you think pays for it? If hospital A has 15% of their annual costs unpaid due to these situations, they have to increase the price of everything else to amortize the cost.
EVERYONE pays for it.

If everyone pays for it then
How is different from a national healthcare program?

Totally different. The cost of providing medical services to the uninsured gets built in to the cost of your insurance premiums.

This is exactly my logic. While the mechanism for spreading the cost may be different, the net result will be the same. Unless you deny care to people who can't afford it, the uninsured and underinsured will be subsidized by those with coverage and/or means to pay.

Again - federal programs of this magnitude scare me, but I do understand the idea of attempting to place some controls on a system that will proceed whether there is government involvement or not. Some elements of federal healthcare are good, but others are just plain nuts.

It's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' debacle.

[gachase21]

If everyone pays for it then

How is different from a national healthcare program?

everyone doesn't pay for it, just the ones with money

Totally different. The cost of providing medical services to the uninsured gets built in to the cost of your insurance premiums.

Re read post 3411 for all healthcare solutions answers, I'm running for pres now in 2016, under the waffle ticket

[ERGOGENIX]

Ohh, I get what you mean now. Current system: No way to recoup those losses effectively besides raising prices across the board for healthcare. Other system: These losses are already accounted for in insurance premiums so the hospital doesn't take a loss, and pass the cost onto paying customers.

How do we know if the increase in medical costs isn't less or equal to the cost of an increase in premiums across the board?

I'm sorry, but I find it grossly humorous that you feel that TARP saved the economy from total collapse. Millions, if not billions of TARP funds went to paying huge bonuses to the criminals who orchestrated the 2008 collapse and 2009+ recession/depression. Instead of paying bonuses the feds should have funded the prosecution of those scoundrels.

I am not defending obamacare. It scares me. But I don't think that everything bad related to healthcare today should be blindly blamed on it either.







This is exactly my logic. While the mechanism for spreading the cost may be different, the net result will be the same. Unless you deny care to people who can't afford it, the uninsured and underinsured will be subsidized by those with coverage and/or means to pay.

Again - federal programs of this magnitude scare me, but I do understand the idea of attempting to place some controls on a system that will proceed whether there is government involvement or not. Some elements of federal healthcare are good, but others are just plain nuts.

It's a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' debacle.

The other issue is that because the hospitals and insurance companies have to make a profit to keep their shareholders happy, their markups are much higher than their actual costs. The entire system is rigged, in that the hospitals raise their prices to make money, and then the insurance companies pass on the increases to the consumer. There is ZERO incentive to control costs.

[gachase21]

The other issue is that because the hospitals and insurance companies have to make a profit to keep their shareholders happy, their markups are much higher than their actual costs. The entire system is rigged, in that the hospitals raise their prices to make money, and then the insurance companies pass on the increases to the consumer. There is ZERO incentive to control costs.

This is fixed by creating open competition

[ERGOGENIX]

This is fixed by creating open competition

That would be a good step for sure, but administrative costs in the US system are way too high. Most docs have several people on staff who do nothing but fight with insurance companies all day.

[Diesel0022]

Keep Cell Technician, or change to:

OgreStrength
Massthetic

[|ceman]

This is fixed by creating open competition

Isn't that what we have now?

[gachase21]

That would be a good step for sure, but administrative costs in the US system are way too high. Most docs have several people on staff who do nothing but fight with insurance companies all day.

true, this as I stated earlier, fixes that

- cap malpractice suit payments( similar to most states workman comp schedule payments per body part) reducing the embedded liability cost in healthcare. malpractice insurance is embedded into the medical supplies, drugs, facilities, employees, everything surrounding health care. 1/3 of total healthcare cost is in embed liability insurance
- have a voucher system national healthcare plan with open competition- everyone gets a voucher for healthcare, kinda like food stamps, where they can pick their plan and doctors of their choice, providers then compete for their business. get rid of the closed competition state to state laws. This will reduce price by creating competition and everyone having coverage/able to pay.. one of the other biggest current cost of healthcare is the amount of people cared for who still can never pay. I.e the helicopter bill that carried be to the hospital was 23k- most of which was liability cost and only 1 in 5 patients can act pay for the ride.
- fix medicare pricing control- as long as medicare will automatically pay 55k for a 1k device to be implanted in me, the private sect er will continue to charge that amount also.

It is inevitable we will have national healthcare, weather we agree with it or not. Might as well do it right if we are going to do it, not like some of the bad examples we have seen in other countries.

[mrdead]

no means no, not even "just the tip"

Even if I take you out for dinner and a movie...???

[gachase21]

Isn't that what we have now?

no, not even close, many states of insane state by state and county by county rules closing and stifling competition with healthcare facilities and providers.

[memcop]

Even if I take you out for dinner and a movie...???

[neddo]

Keep Cell Technician, or change to:

OgreStrength
Massthetic

just the tip

[Diesel0022]

just the tip

Do you always have to come into a thread with such a condescending attitude in attempt to assert your knowledge?

[sloop]

Do you always have to come into a thread with such a condescending attitude in attempt to assert your knowledge?

I should knock you down to 12k

[xR1pp3Rx]

Limbuagh, Hannity, are exactly whats wrong with the current republican party. As long as they stick to the exclusionary anti gay, pro- life, religious right ideals, they will continue to loose.

this is exactly my stance as well reps for saying it too.

[Diesel0022]

I should knock you down to 12k

Duke found out i had been repping people under Zyzz's account for the last few weeks. I made a mistake and got caught. whatever.




@Err one
Check it out

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=149485833

[StrongRepublican]

LMAO thread is moving faster than I've ever seen.

1rd attempt at derail: Just had a bowl of VCB PROnom oats with a PBC Cravings broken up in it. Holy faurk was that tasty!

[neddo]

Do you always have to come into a thread with such a condescending attitude in attempt to assert your knowledge?

Wow Diesel0022. Don't ever make another comment about me ever again or anything. Cause my basketball playing ass lifts much more than you and ur physique looks like one of a high schooler. Your lift is pathetic. Thanks for making my day with that post

Perhaps way too much time on the Internet and not enough in the kitchen and gym. I love it...alllllll that crap you talk and now I can see your physique and your weak avatar.

Go ahead and say whateverrrrr you'd like. But in terms of the gym, your pathetic as is your physique. Maybe powerlifting isn't for you. You look like you've never touched a weight in your life. Step your cardio game up and do something functional.

You really do look like crap in all seriousness for all the crap you talk to me. That'd avatar truly made my afternoon. If you weren't such a scumbag to me I'd keep my mouth shut but your the typical keyboard warrior. Talk crap and can't back it up.

[Diesel0022]

Wow Diesel0022. Don't ever make another comment about me ever again or anything. Cause my basketball playing ass lifts much more than you and ur physique looks like one of a high schooler. Your lift is pathetic. Thanks for making my day with that post

Perhaps way too much time on the Internet and not enough in the kitchen and gym. I love it...alllllll that crap you talk and now I can see your physique and your weak avatar.

Go ahead and say whateverrrrr you'd like. But in terms of the gym, your pathetic as is your physique. Maybe powerlifting isn't for you. You look like you've never touched a weight in your life. Step your cardio game up and do something functional.

You really do look like crap in all seriousness for all the crap you talk to me. That'd avatar truly made my afternoon. If you weren't such a scumbag to me I'd keep my mouth shut but your the typical keyboard warrior. Talk crap and can't back it up.

You are the weakest link goodbye! Punchy, the tribe has spoken. Please pack up your knives and go. Your work of art, didn't work for me. You're times up. I have to ask you to leave the mansion. You must leave the chateau. Your tour ends here. You've been chopped! You've been evicted from the Big Brother house. Your dessert just didn't measure up. Sashay away! Give me your jacket and leave Hell's kitchen! You did not get a rose. You have been eliminated from the race. You are no longer in the running to be America's Next Top Model. You're fired. Auf Wiedersehen

[mrdead]

Wow Diesel0022. Don't ever make another comment about me ever again or anything. Cause my basketball playing ass lifts much more than you and ur physique looks like one of a high schooler. Your lift is pathetic. Thanks for making my day with that post

Perhaps way too much time on the Internet and not enough in the kitchen and gym. I love it...alllllll that crap you talk and now I can see your physique and your weak avatar.

Go ahead and say whateverrrrr you'd like. But in terms of the gym, your pathetic as is your physique. Maybe powerlifting isn't for you. You look like you've never touched a weight in your life. Step your cardio game up and do something functional.

You really do look like crap in all seriousness for all the crap you talk to me. That'd avatar truly made my afternoon. If you weren't such a scumbag to me I'd keep my mouth shut but your the typical keyboard warrior. Talk crap and can't back it up.

You are the weakest link goodbye! Punchy, the tribe has spoken. Please pack up your knives and go. Your work of art, didn't work for me. You're times up. I have to ask you to leave the mansion. You must leave the chateau. Your tour ends here. You've been chopped! You've been evicted from the Big Brother house. Your dessert just didn't measure up. Sashay away! Give me your jacket and leave Hell's kitchen! You did not get a rose. You have been eliminated from the race. You are no longer in the running to be America's Next Top Model. You're fired. Auf Wiedersehen

*Sighs... Rolls eyes... Goes back to looking at binders full of women...*

[Diesel0022]

Pics of said binder

[dbone1026]

Pics of said binder

[mrdead]

Pics of said binder

[|ceman]

no, not even close, many states of insane state by state and county by county rules closing and stifling competition with healthcare facilities and providers.

I dunno. At least in my state I can choose which health insurance provider to buy from, I can choose various levels of coverage, I can elect to utilize an FSA or HSA and then depending on the insurance plan I have pretty open control of choosing where to go to get medical treatment. That seems like fairly open competition right now. Not sure how you would open it further. Or maybe you're talking about coverage for people on various forms of government subsidy like disability/medicare/etc?

[Diesel0022]

:O

hmm

[xR1pp3Rx]

I dunno. At least in my state I can choose which health insurance provider to buy from, I can choose various levels of coverage, I can elect to utilize an FSA or HSA and then depending on the insurance plan I have pretty open control of choosing where to go to get medical treatment. That seems like fairly open competition right now. Not sure how you would open it further. Or maybe you're talking about coverage for people on various forms of government subsidy like disability/medicare/etc?

hes talking about compitition between providers not insurers... the insurance company cost are a result of no compition in the health care arena as well as the over exorbatant costs caused by malpractice lawsuits.

[SupremeMMA]

Politics, healthcare, gheyness, more politics, more healthcare... do you guys even lift?

[Diesel0022]

Politics, healthcare, gheyness, more politics, more healthcare... do you guys even lift?

Do u even politics?

[SupremeMMA]

Do u even politics?

Nope, I'm a conservative liberal independent.