Someone your size at 1700 this early into cutting = a recipe for disaster and metabolic slowdown. I think you really shorthcnaged yourself on calories on your diet and that is why you may be seeing strenth loss so fast and so quick... I think you really killed yourself with starting kcals too low.
Do not do ANYTHING your friend says.
Is your friend you?
is your friend the same weight/height
does your friend do the same routine and cardio?
No...
TOo black and white, dont compare oneself to another, and dont use a calculator and think its going to be 100% Accurate, you need to do trial and error. IMO You really shortchanged yourself.
Ill bet Sean will agree when he chimes back in.
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I worked arms w/ my friends and it was more of a easy day so I took more time trying to give tips to my friends that don't lift. Still a good workout w/ a good amount of pumps etc.
However, I was not able to do a regular arm workout due to my lower back. So I cannot do any preachers/standing curls etc. So I need a brace etc. So I did more sets then usual for biceps and less exercises.
Day Twelve
Arm day w/ my homies
Warm Up:
Light curls/extensions
Working Sets:
Iso Curls
35x15 -> 50x12
50x12
50x10
65x12
65x10
80x7
80x8
65x10
65x10
65x12
65x10
Close Grip Dips
B.W.x20
B.W.x15
B.W.x17
B.W.x12
Close Grip Bench Press
135x18
155x15
155x14
155x12
Incline Lying Curls
25x10
25x10
25x12
25x10
Cable Rope Extensions
100x12
100x12
100x10
100x11
Cable bar Extensions
130x10
130x12
130x11
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I agree if you are 12 weeks out and already that low on daily calories, it's not going to end well. I get low on cals too, but usually not until 4-6 weeks out....
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I didn't start cutting cals @ 1700. My friends recommended it to me b/c I am behind schedule
weighed myself this morning and was 177lbs
My cut started @ around 200 so my cutting cals were 2400 at it slowly went down
I'll check those articles out, thanks
Well 2400 at 200 pounds is not very good to start, this is a recipe for disaster on your metabolism and starting too low is just going to cause problems. You wont have much more to lose as far as calories go because your already in a huge deficit, and a larger one wont help with fat loss or weight loss . Your gonna start adding tons of cardio becuase you will feel terrible on a huge deficit since you started there, and then your going to string out and lose mass fast because you are in such a deficit from starting there too early.
Your metabolism will crash faster, your t3, leptin, and hormone levels are gonna drop fast and you will feel the effects bad.. Just trying to tell ya from a first hand experience and what most research and articles will show (think alan aragon, layne norton, Martin Berkhan, Dr Joe who is a infamous natural bodybuilding coach, Lyle mcDonald etc like i linked above) Just my 2 cents from being a competitor.
The goal in cutting is starting kcals as high and as little cardio as possible to add cardio in and drop calories slow. Its not a race its a maratahon, dropping too quick = recipe for disaster.
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I agree if you are 12 weeks out and already that low on daily calories, it's not going to end well. I get low on cals too, but usually not until 4-6 weeks out....
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Well 2400 at 200 pounds is not very good to start, this is a recipe for disaster on your metabolism and starting too low is just going to cause problems. You wont have much more to lose as far as calories go because your already in a huge deficit, and a larger one wont help with fat loss or weight loss . Your gonna start adding tons of cardio becuase you will feel terrible on a huge deficit since you started there, and then your going to string out and lose mass fast because you are in such a deficit from starting there too early.
Your metabolism will crash faster, your t3, leptin, and hormone levels are gonna drop fast and you will feel the effects bad.. Just trying to tell ya from a first hand experience and what most research and articles will show (think alan aragon, layne norton, Martin Berkhan, Dr Joe who is a infamous natural bodybuilding coach, Lyle mcDonald etc like i linked above) Just my 2 cents from being a competitor.
The goal in cutting is starting kcals as high and as little cardio as possible to add cardio in and drop calories slow. Its not a race its a maratahon, dropping too quick = recipe for disaster.
aww shyt
thanks for the info guys...i dun goofd pretty hard huh?
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Well 2400 at 200 pounds is not very good to start, this is a recipe for disaster on your metabolism and starting too low is just going to cause problems. You wont have much more to lose as far as calories go because your already in a huge deficit, and a larger one wont help with fat loss or weight loss . Your gonna start adding tons of cardio becuase you will feel terrible on a huge deficit since you started there, and then your going to string out and lose mass fast because you are in such a deficit from starting there too early.
Your metabolism will crash faster, your t3, leptin, and hormone levels are gonna drop fast and you will feel the effects bad.. Just trying to tell ya from a first hand experience and what most research and articles will show (think alan aragon, layne norton, Martin Berkhan, Dr Joe who is a infamous natural bodybuilding coach, Lyle mcDonald etc like i linked above) Just my 2 cents from being a competitor.
The goal in cutting is starting kcals as high and as little cardio as possible to add cardio in and drop calories slow. Its not a race its a maratahon, dropping too quick = recipe for disaster.
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Someone your size at 1700 this early into cutting = a recipe for disaster and metabolic slowdown. I think you really shorthcnaged yourself on calories on your diet and that is why you may be seeing strenth loss so fast and so quick... I think you really killed yourself with starting kcals too low.
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Ill second (or third) what Bob (and others) have said. Your calories are too low. And I could blow sunshine up your skirt and tell you "go kill it" and "your doing awesome", etc. But that wouldnt be helping you. So realize im saying this not in an effort to be negative or hurt you. Id like to help. You are too far out to do a competition in 12 weeks. Yes, you could get on stage and pose in a pair of trunks. But if you are like most people, you want to do well. Trying to move all that weight in one shot and still have a metabolism left afterward will be a real trick if you dont go about it right. I dont have any issue with a real aggressive cut while you are so heavy but you are going to need a diet break before you start plowing through mid single digit territory. Your metabolism wont hold up and you'll be eating nothing but 12 oz of chicken breast every day for the last 12 weeks of prep. You'll end up a hormonal mess and it will take a year to recover.....and you will probably hate the sport lol.
If I were in your spot, I would break up my prep into a few stages and plan on hitting a competition later next year (summer or fall). Diet for the next 12 weeks at a fairly aggressive pace and get down to single (or near single digit) BF levels......clear muscle separation, clearly visible abs, etc. Then take a break and slowly raise your calories back up to maintenance. Run maintenance calories for at least two months. So it might take you until april or may to get into a spot where you are in striking distance of a competition AND have a healthy metabolism. That is the key to getting shredded. Its a race for everyone......strip the bodyfat before your metabolism crashes. So, in April or May, start prepping for an October/Nov competition......and get SLICED to ribbons. Yes, I know that sucks to hear....yes, I know that its a lot more work that you anticipated. But I think if you take my advice you will be very happy a year from now that you came in the best you possibly could. Not rushing and doing a mediocre prep.
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Ill second (or third) what Bob (and others) have said. Your calories are too low. And I could blow sunshine up your skirt and tell you "go kill it" and "your doing awesome", etc. But that wouldnt be helping you. So realize im saying this not in an effort to be negative or hurt you. Id like to help. You are too far out to do a competition in 12 weeks. Yes, you could get on stage and pose in a pair of trunks. But if you are like most people, you want to do well. Trying to move all that weight in one shot and still have a metabolism left afterward will be a real trick if you dont go about it right. I dont have any issue with a real aggressive cut while you are so heavy but you are going to need a diet break before you start plowing through mid single digit territory. Your metabolism wont hold up and you'll be eating nothing but 12 oz of chicken breast every day for the last 12 weeks of prep. You'll end up a hormonal mess and it will take a year to recover.....and you will probably hate the sport lol.
If I were in your spot, I would break up my prep into a few stages and plan on hitting a competition later next year (summer or fall). Diet for the next 12 weeks at a fairly aggressive pace and get down to single (or near single digit) BF levels......clear muscle separation, clearly visible abs, etc. Then take a break and slowly raise your calories back up to maintenance. Run maintenance calories for at least two months. So it might take you until april or may to get into a spot where you are in striking distance of a competition AND have a healthy metabolism. That is the key to getting shredded. Its a race for everyone......strip the bodyfat before your metabolism crashes. So, in April or May, start prepping for an October/Nov competition......and get SLICED to ribbons. Yes, I know that sucks to hear....yes, I know that its a lot more work that you anticipated. But I think if you take my advice you will be very happy a year from now that you came in the best you possibly could. Not rushing and doing a mediocre prep.
yeah you're right...my upper body is not proportionate w/ my lower body as well. Should I bulk at all?
So should I basically be doing this: Cut down to near single digits -> maintain -> cut? any reason why I should maintain for 2 months? Now that I think about it, I'm way smaller then I thought I'd be.. Maybe I should cut down till I'm somewhat shredded and start bulking again? My previous and first time bulking last for ~2 years from being at around ~135lbs -> ~200lbs. any guesses on how much lbm I have?
and yesterdays late workout. Got there at 9:30 and got home at 2:40am lol. got food on the way home, but posing took a long as time then expected..
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Fuller Upper w/ my PL friend. Usually go solo but thought I'd try new things for a change
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Maybe I should cut down till I'm somewhat shredded and start bulking again? My previous and first time bulking last for ~2 years from being at around ~135lbs -> ~200lbs. any guesses on how much lbm I have?
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Diet for the next 12 weeks at a fairly aggressive pace and get down to single (or near single digit) BF levels.
Run maintenance calories for at least two months. So it might take you until april or may to get into a spot where you are in striking distance of a competition AND have a healthy metabolism.
Re-Read this...
Cut for a few more weeks (4-6)
Revamp metabolism consider a diet break (Lyle McDonalds article on bodyrecomposition.com google and read it)
Then bulk up and add size and restore meatbolism and get your kcals back up before considering cutting again.
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Re-Read this...
Cut for a few more weeks (4-6)
Revamp metabolism consider a diet break (Lyle McDonalds article on bodyrecomposition.com google and read it)
Then bulk up and add size and restore meatbolism and get your kcals back up before considering cutting again.
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yeah you're right...my upper body is not proportionate w/ my lower body as well. Should I bulk at all?
So should I basically be doing this: Cut down to near single digits -> maintain -> cut? any reason why I should maintain for 2 months
Austrian Oak never posted anything about bulking so I was asking him that.
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Austrian Oak never posted anything about bulking so I was asking him that.
It all depends on when you WANT to get on stage. I believe you are ready to compete at a novice or junior level and do well. Either way, if you plan to compete ANYTIME in the relatively near future (within the next 2-3 years) you would be best served getting the bodyfat within striking range. I consider striking range single digit bodyfat levels. If you try to move too much fat at one shot, your metabolism will most likely crash before you get shredded. That is the reason for running maintenance calories for a few months. You acclimate your body to the new bodyfat level while you are taking in adequate calorie intake to stoke metabolism back up. Once metabolism is humming along and you are maintaining at a decent calorie intake.....then begin the cut again into shredded territory. As for "bulking".....I am not a fan of bulking in the traditional sense of gaining weight on a regular basis. It leads to too much bodyfat. My bulks are VERY slow. And I will stay within a particular bodyfat range. So I will slowly gain from mid 180s to 190 and then cut very rapidly....rinse and repeat. That said, everyone can benefit from added muscle, so if thats the route you choose, I would still recommend cutting to 10% BF or so and then VERY SLOWLY increase calories and VERY SLOWLY gain weight. Once you hit 12-14%, its time for a rapid mini cut. But again, i think you could be on stage within a year if you play your cards right.
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It all depends on when you WANT to get on stage. I believe you are ready to compete at a novice or junior level and do well. Either way, if you plan to compete ANYTIME in the relatively near future (within the next 2-3 years) you would be best served getting the bodyfat within striking range. I consider striking range single digit bodyfat levels. If you try to move too much fat at one shot, your metabolism will most likely crash before you get shredded. That is the reason for running maintenance calories for a few months. You acclimate your body to the new bodyfat level while you are taking in adequate calorie intake to stoke metabolism back up. Once metabolism is humming along and you are maintaining at a decent calorie intake.....then begin the cut again into shredded territory. As for "bulking".....I am not a fan of bulking in the traditional sense of gaining weight on a regular basis. It leads to too much bodyfat. My bulks are VERY slow. And I will stay within a particular bodyfat range. So I will slowly gain from mid 180s to 190 and then cut very rapidly....rinse and repeat. That said, everyone can benefit from added muscle, so if thats the route you choose, I would still recommend cutting to 10% BF or so and then VERY SLOWLY increase calories and VERY SLOWLY gain weight. Once you hit 12-14%, its time for a rapid mini cut. But again, i think you could be on stage within a year if you play your cards right.
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I'm going to take Campbell's advice but first, I would like to stop running HD for a little bit and take this week as a little break/deload. Didn't take HD today and I was literally falling asleep every minute b/c I was so damn tired..
If you dont take stim breaks often this will happen due to crashing and overuse on adrenal glands.
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I usually use green tea, black tea, or coffee to transition off stims. A cup of coffee to deter the caffeine headaches and such can be a life savor.
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115x15
115x13
115x12
115x11
Pec Dec
75x15
105x12
105x9
105x8
Great workout today. Pump was pretty insane and I just had a good time today. However, there was this 50-60 year old obviously on some gear trying to come at me. Quite ridiculous, seeing him bitching and cussing at me for slamming down the weight, especially at his age. Dude even brought the manager w/ him after me and my buddy told him to **** off. I guess the gym is now a place for a cup of tea and a book. But other then that, solid workout.
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damn I haven't updated in a while and for that I apologize.
Haven't been doing much to be quite honest and I wanted to take it a bit easy for a few days but I'm back...again.
I did some cardio 2 days ago and that was pretty much it. Did do some back/chest workouts w/ less intensity. Didn't post because it really wasn't much and just did it to get my blood pumping and get that feel, if you know what I mean.
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135x10
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Reverse Flies
75x12
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Well I was too tired to post this last night so I apologize.. Work out was decent and pump was amazing and I felt full. Energy is pretty good. Only bad thing is that my earphones broke so only one side works...other then that, great workout.
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wsup guys
I'm still lifting and everything but I am taking a break from supps etc right now..
I lost alot of motivation b/c I was so behind schedule and my legs atrophied quite alot...so it looks pretty ****ing ridiculous compared to my upper body. It is like a 2:1 ration.
I'll be back though guys. Going through physical therapy right now and still killing it at the gym...upper body only. I'm still cutting weight slowly but am taking a stim break as well. my bench is going up b/c i started some band training and more pling stuff. I guess my upper body is really improving etc...but my lower body is regressing like mad...
I'll start continuing once i start working my legs and will prep for another contest once i put mass on my legs. upper is fine imo. btw tomorrow I'm going to try some light ass squats/sumos/extensions/curls and see how it goes. I'm not supposed to....but fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu can't explain it.
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wsup guys
I'm still lifting and everything but I am taking a break from supps etc right now..
I lost alot of motivation b/c I was so behind schedule and my legs atrophied quite alot...so it looks pretty ****ing ridiculous compared to my upper body. It is like a 2:1 ration.
I'll be back though guys. Going through physical therapy right now and still killing it at the gym...upper body only. I'm still cutting weight slowly but am taking a stim break as well. my bench is going up b/c i started some band training and more pling stuff. I guess my upper body is really improving etc...but my lower body is regressing like mad...
I'll start continuing once i start working my legs and will prep for another contest once i put mass on my legs. upper is fine imo. btw tomorrow I'm going to try some light ass squats/sumos/extensions/curls and see how it goes. I'm not supposed to....but fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu can't explain it.
till then,
pce out guys
thanks for the support and advice. I sincerely appreciated it all
I just got done reading your log so far, and it looks like it was going great!
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