Are blacks superior genetically bodybuilding-wise?

[patbanya]

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[breeno92]

In response to the OP:

The best of any race can compete with each other and it will be hard to split them, that's just human nature. With regards to physicality, West Africans and Northern Europeans probably have the most 'competitors' out of all 'races' (well they are a subset), with West Africans probably more so.

So, for the amount of people who take up bodybuilding, West Africans and Northern Europeans one would expect to contribute to the field in greater proportion (proportion to the amount of them taking up bodybuilding), but once it gets to the elite level being 'black' just as being 'white' won't win you a show, it's anyone's game.

[Whey Hey]

We cannot possibly say blacks/whites/chinese/arabs etc are any more superior than eachother because all we ever see is a handful of competitors on stage. You would need to conduct a nationwide longitudinal study measuring all sorts of variables like myostatin levels, testosterone, dietary factors, stress levels, weather environments , everything really.

But that being said, there have been more white Mr.Olympia's than Blacks. Or at least up until this year anyway, it might be even now... i cant be assed going back and counting.

[Treeling]

They don't need to tan as much, other than that there is almost no difference I think. The black culture is just less physically lazy, they seem to play more sports and spend less time at the TV/computer than others so the average guy looks more built. At the top level it's all about muscle shape/insertions where most people are different. And its 50/50 between top levels pros.

[YBG613]

While I was in University I met a black guy from Zimbambwe, he was a nerd and spent alot of time in his room. He had arm about 13" (estimation), but his chest was sooo HUGE it was probably around 50". He had big shoulders too, but he never lifted weights at all. And alot of other mid or west african guys here are muscular naturally. Also another thing I noticed is that white afrikaners here in SA are tall and bulky compared to whites from other countries, but I guess that's cause they have german/greek/scottish ancestry.

[Mr...Genetics]

HOLD ON A MINUTE....

shawn ray is black?

[littlemike23]

Plenty of great bodybuilders of all races, middle eastern, white, black. An then there is bodybuilders from all races with shiit genetics

[breeno92]

While I was in University I met a black guy from Zimbambwe, he was a nerd and spent alot of time in his room. He had arm about 13" (estimation), but his chest was sooo HUGE it was probably around 50". He had big shoulders too, but he never lifted weights at all. And alot of other mid or west african guys here are muscular naturally. Also another thing I noticed is that white afrikaners here in SA are tall and bulky compared to whites from other countries, but I guess that's cause they have german/greek/scottish ancestry.

They descend predominantly from the Dutch as well. The Dutch are the tallest people on Earth IIRC.

[Freddiestrong]

It´s funny how people make conclusions that an entire population is genetically gifted just because they have met a few guys from that population that were naturally big. There are genetical freaks in every population groups.

[toppinm]

They don't need to tan as much, other than that there is almost no difference I think. The black culture is just less physically lazy, they seem to play more sports and spend less time at the TV/computer than others so the average guy looks more built. At the top level it's all about muscle shape/insertions where most people are different. And its 50/50 between top levels pros.

Haha what? I don't think black culture is any more or less lazy, that's rascist and untrue. I see plenty of fat ass black people walking around. If there is a difference in genetics, and there probably is I'm sure it's negligible. Being black alone certainly won't win you an Olympia just like being white doesn't make you rich.

[tom11]

It´s funny how people make conclusions that an entire population is genetically gifted just because they have met a few guys from that population that were naturally big. There are genetical freaks in every population groups.

Sorry, but they are. How many west african IFBB pros can you name? Many. How many asian IFBB pros can you name? Very few, if any. Yes, there are genetical freaks in every popuplation groups but some population group's genetical freaks are way way way way way more freakier than the others in some areas of expertise.

Are we going to pretend that almost all elite sprinters have west african descend? Or that almost all swimming champions are white?

[patbanya]

Sorry, but they are. How many west african IFBB pros can you name? Many. How many asian IFBB pros can you name? Very few, if any. Yes, there are genetical freaks in every popuplation groups but some population group's genetical freaks are way way way way way more freakier than the others in some areas of expertise.

Are we going to pretend that almost all elite sprinters have west african descend? Or that almost all swimming champions are white?

Pardon my inferior language skills, but is "genetical" even a word? Genetically speaking, most blacks are fluent in Ebonics, so maybe I'm confused.

[Freddiestrong]

Sorry, but they are. How many west african IFBB pros can you name? Many. How many asian IFBB pros can you name? Very few, if any. Yes, there are genetical freaks in every popuplation groups but some population group's genetical freaks are way way way way way more freakier than the others in some areas of expertise.

Are we going to pretend that almost all elite sprinters have west african descend? Or that almost all swimming champions are white?

With you logic there should be like a million huge bodybuilders currently in West Africa but I don´t know anyone. And all the top powerlifters and strong-men competitors would also have west african heritage. It is about culture you know. And do you seriously mean that white people are genetically gifted for swimming?

[PillClinton]

Pardon my inferior language skills, but is "genetical" even a word? Genetically speaking, most blacks are fluent in Ebonics, so maybe I'm confused.

lol'd!

[tom11]

With you logic there should be like a million huge bodybuilders currently in West Africa but I don´t know anyone. And all the top powerlifters and strong-men competitors would also have west african heritage. It is about culture you know. And do you seriously mean that white people are genetically gifted for swimming?

Stop posting, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. First of all, yes white people are genetically gifted for swimming. Second, there aren't a million huge bodybuilders currently in West Africa because of poverty and war.

Are we going to pretend that the facts that almost all swimming champions are white and almost all the 100m champions are black are TOTALLY random?

[aestheticsGSF]

Lol at white dudes in denial trying to defend their race.

Black people dominate sports deal with it lol. So sad.

[Freddiestrong]

Stop posting, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. First of all, yes white people are genetically gifted for swimming. Second, there aren't a million huge bodybuilders currently in West Africa because of poverty and war.

Are we going to pretend that the facts that almost all swimming champions are white and almost all the 100m champions are black are TOTALLY random?

It´s about culture! Brazillians doesn´t have magic soccer genes that makes them the best at playing soccer. It is their favourite sport, therefore every kid in Brazil plays soccer and therefore they are good at it. Australians are not genetically gifted at playing rugby, canadians are not genetically gifted at playing hockey. "White" people are not genetically gifted at swimming. It is the culture of a people or a nation that makes a larger number of the population practice a sport and the government to invest more money in that sport. Besides it is not one single gene that are involved in an activity, lets say swimming, it´s probably hundreds of genes involved in different combinations.

[Groggery]

I can tell you right now that if you drop me in a fairly deep pool i will drown like a mofo.

It's definitely a matter of "how much have you done X activity in your lifetime" instead of DNA.

[BossMadOne]

Just going based on who the top pros have been over the past 20 years, you would have to say that like in basketball or footballs, black people just seem to have better genetics overall for it. Sure it is a generalization, but when you consider that Flex, Ronnie, Shawn Ray, Shawn Rhoden, Phil Heath, Dexter Jackson, Dillet, Kai, Cormier, Dennis James, Levrone.

Sure there are great white bodybuilders, but it does seem to me like black genetics once again make them superior in this sport. For a small segment of the population to dominate the sport like that is really something. And YES I am aware that a lot of the guys I listed are not 100% black, but it sure doesn't seem to hurt having some black genetics in you.

What are your thoughts on this? Do you see this trend continuing? Obviously with Kai and Phil on top right now and Shawn in third, it is hard to see it changing any time soon, but how do you explain this dominance by the black bodybuilders?

You are a racist person. Morons like you is what continues to spread this bull**** around.

Genetics the way you are putting is wrong and you are wrong as a person and as a member of these forums.

[antithesis3]

African Americans are greatly overrepresented in bodybuilding based upon their overall percentage of the total population in society. They make up about 15% of the total population in the US and just based on that you would figure that all things being equal they should make up 15% of the bodybuilding population, which we all know is not the case. I dont know what the actual numbers are but I would guess that AA make up about 50% of the total pro bodybuilders which vastly exceeds their proportional representation.

However, this statement needs to be qualified that there are many societal factors that also determine what races/ethnicities play certain sports. For example, whites greatly dominate winter sports from a proportional representation standpoint and AA are greatly underrepresented (skiing, snowbaording, hockey, ETC) but this is based upon cultural and class differences and no inherent superiority of whites when it comes to winter sports.

[StevieMe]

Black people make up 14% of the US population, most likely even less of the world population (don't know the number off the top of my head), yet 70% of the top 10 BB'ers in the world are black

Come on now

This. If you say they don't have an advantage, then you're a god damn fukin moron.

[mike8190]

I was always under the impression whites r the best at everything

[mrsnruB1111]

They don't need to tan as much, other than that there is almost no difference I think. The black culture is just less physically lazy, they seem to play more sports and spend less time at the TV/computer than others so the average guy looks more built. At the top level it's all about muscle shape/insertions where most people are different. And its 50/50 between top levels pros.

african americans have higher obesity rates

[tom11]

It´s about culture! Brazillians doesn´t have magic soccer genes that makes them the best at playing soccer. It is their favourite sport, therefore every kid in Brazil plays soccer and therefore they are good at it. Australians are not genetically gifted at playing rugby, canadians are not genetically gifted at playing hockey. "White" people are not genetically gifted at swimming. It is the culture of a people or a nation that makes a larger number of the population practice a sport and the government to invest more money in that sport. Besides it is not one single gene that are involved in an activity, lets say swimming, it´s probably hundreds of genes involved in different combinations.

It's not about culture. It's ALL ABOUT GENETICS. Black people have more bone density and the heavier your bones you are the slower you swim. It's how their bodies are dude, they are not 100% the same as white guys.

More bone density = stronger but not good for swimming. In America and Europe, many many white people run 100 meters but how come there was only one white person to run a sub 10sec 100 m race (Lemaitre)? Genetics.

[Freddiestrong]

It's not about culture. It's ALL ABOUT GENETICS. Black people have more bone density and the heavier your bones you are the slower you swim. It's how their bodies are dude, they are not 100% the same as white guys.

More bone density = stronger but not good for swimming. In America and Europe, many many white people run 100 meters but how come there was only one white person to run a sub 10sec 100 m race (Lemaitre)? Genetics.

Are you trolling? Are you seriously saying that there is a connection between an entire populations skin color and bone density? And you base this on thew few people in top of a sport? And still, "white" people are dominating powerlifting, weightlifting and strongmen which shows thar your argument is wrong. And if people with african heritage have more bone density it is also strange that they are dominating in long distance running. And at the same time "white" people is more dominating in long distance skiing.

In scandinavia where I´m from we have a large population with heritage in the middle east. They are a minority but they are relatively dominating the bodybuilding scene here. Does it mean that they also are genetically superior at building muscles compared to northern europeans?

[Kiwi_]

Dennis Wolf world #3

[IIISpartacusIII]

Genetics play a large role in just about everything but .... so what? What are you going to do, change your genetics to something more favorable? At best it's a way to make excuses why you didn't win, can't progress, and generally failed at something. Not the most productive way to spend a life. You do the best you can with what you have. This is something that most success stories have in common.

[KiwiRob]

Arnold USED to be the best bodybuilder. Before bodybuilding was very popular. Now the blacks dominate.

Don't you really mean when bodybuilding was very popular, when it was shown on TV, when Arnold was a household name long before he started acting, whereas today only people who lift would know who Ronnie, Jay or Dorian was.

[tom11]

And if people with african heritage have more bone density it is also strange that they are dominating in long distance running. And at the same time "white" people is more dominating in long distance skiing

West africans and east africans are not the same. West africans are good at explosive events and eastern at endurance. Try to find a west african long distance ELITE runner, you would be in a hard spot.

And just one thing, you are from scandinavia? That explains everything, liberal of peace. No point arguing with you, you are blind from political correctness. Human races have sometimes significant differences between them no matter how much you believe we are all the same.

[KiwiRob]

Lol at white dudes in denial trying to defend their race.

Black people dominate sports deal with it lol. So sad.

Only certain sports, track, basketball, american football, then what, even in the US they don't dominate ice hockey, baseball, motorsports, soccer, rugby, rowing, sailing, golf (one exception), tennis (two exceptions), skiing...........