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10-17-2012, 07:57 AM #1291
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10-17-2012, 07:57 AM #1292
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10-17-2012, 07:58 AM #1293
This is much better than political discussion, no?
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10-17-2012, 07:59 AM #1294
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10-17-2012, 08:01 AM #1295
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10-17-2012, 08:01 AM #1296
My mother is already starting about Christmas with my wife. Why must the holidays be ruined by many people expecting you to be in 8 places at one time? I fuucking hate Christmas already and it's October.
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10-17-2012, 08:02 AM #1297
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10-17-2012, 08:02 AM #1298
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10-17-2012, 08:03 AM #1299
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10-17-2012, 08:04 AM #1300
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10-17-2012, 08:07 AM #1301
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10-17-2012, 08:09 AM #1302
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10-17-2012, 08:11 AM #1303
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10-17-2012, 08:13 AM #1304
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10-17-2012, 08:16 AM #1306
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10-17-2012, 08:24 AM #1307
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10-17-2012, 09:00 AM #1308
I think many people have the perception that taxing the wealthy more, i.e. taking the dollar out of the billionaires pocket and putting it in the government's pocket, is ok because
a. ) the wealthy can afford it, and why shouldn't they give more to a society that's enabled them to do so well, especially when so many other people are doing poorly.
b. ) the collected taxes can be used to make the less fortunate in society better off.
c. ) many people don't like the idea of a small group of people becoming more and more wealthy while at the same time, a large group of people get worse and worse off.
d. ) the money that the very wealthy aren't investing could be used through government spending to stimulate the economy out of its lethargic state.
Personally, I think there are problems with each one of these arguments, and everybody is missing a bigger issue whenever they are talking about taxation on the wealthy to solve our problems as an economy, i.e. budget deficit, increased inequality, lower real wages for unskilled workers, etc... The bigger issue here is why has our economy stalled, and what can we do to fix it? All of these other issues such as inequality, and debt, etc., will largely be solved once the economy is back up and running again.
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10-17-2012, 09:06 AM #1309
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Energy.
To be more specific: lack of energy.
We're suckling at the teat of billions of years of stored hydrocarbon energy and burning through those reserves at something like ten million times faster than it is created. This is not a sustainable equation and it directly affects the economy.
That said, the cost of energy is not the only issue at play, but I believe in the end it's the most important.All Hail the Ultimate Master, "I Know More Than The Generals Do", Donald Camacho Dr. Pepper X-Ray AR-15 Trump
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10-17-2012, 09:13 AM #1310
This argument has some validity, but let's remember that the rich actually pay the lion's share of the taxes in actual dollar terms. But, then can't you argue that should strong people be expected to work harder on the assembly line "because they can do it"? Should accountants be penalized more for bouncing a check because 'they're better at bookeeping'?
b. ) the collected taxes can be used to make the less fortunate in society better off.
c. ) many people don't like the idea of a small group of people becoming more and more wealthy while at the same time, a large group of people get worse and worse off.
This is America. It's founded upon the principle that you can work hard and benefit from your efforts. Not upon the principle of 'each according to their need'. Tough, but true.
Besides, it's not like we don't have our fair share of social programs.
d. ) the money that the very wealthy aren't investing could be used through government spending to stimulate the economy out of its lethargic state.☠ By reading this post, you have agreed to my negative reputation terms of service.
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10-17-2012, 09:21 AM #1311
blah blah blah blah blah
Who was this love of yours?
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10-17-2012, 09:25 AM #1312
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The fact that somewhere north of 800 million was spent in 2010 just on the Senate's expense accounts lets me know where we should start cutting.
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10-17-2012, 09:27 AM #1313
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How much of that was spent on United States businesses and thus just recycled back into the economy?
I bet this is a drop in the bucket compared to shipping a huge portion of our economy overseas...
Which in itself is an issue with deeper roots than simple numbers, of course.
You left out blah.All Hail the Ultimate Master, "I Know More Than The Generals Do", Donald Camacho Dr. Pepper X-Ray AR-15 Trump
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10-17-2012, 09:28 AM #1314
Pooooooliiiiticians hide themseeelves away.
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10-17-2012, 09:31 AM #1315
Government Plan:
1. Tell Lemmings whatever they want to hear in order to get elected.
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10-17-2012, 09:32 AM #1316
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10-17-2012, 09:33 AM #1317
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....are you serious? If you take a dollar in taxes to pay for hair cuts for Senators that dollar doesn't come back to "stimulate" ****. They keep low annual salaries to lower how much they get taxed since they have nearly bottomless tax free income wrapped in a variety of expense accounts.▪█─────█▪ Equipment Crew #56 ▪█─────█▪
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10-17-2012, 09:34 AM #1318
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10-17-2012, 09:35 AM #1319
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The people who only care about money, or money and power, are the easy ones to manage. It's the whole banality of evil thing.
No, it's the ideologues that are dangerous...
Yes, I'm serious: this is a drop in the bucket compared to the larger issues. (yet you said this is where we should start)All Hail the Ultimate Master, "I Know More Than The Generals Do", Donald Camacho Dr. Pepper X-Ray AR-15 Trump
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10-17-2012, 09:35 AM #1320
cost of energy seems like it would definitely affect the economy now, but as far as abundance goes, i dont think we are lacking in oil/coal reserves right now. I do agree at some point energy abundance will have to be addressed more directly, but I don't think we are to that point right now.
can't say i really disagree with any of this.
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