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    Originally Posted by Yeti06 View Post
    In another thread someone had suggested that the whole darryl and merle showdown was a ploy by the governator to get merle back in the prison to help take down the prison group. make them face each other and escape, darryl trusts merle, and convinces the group to let them back in the prison. could be true, based on the preview
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    Originally Posted by Yeti06 View Post
    In another thread someone had suggested that the whole darryl and merle showdown was a ploy by the governator to get merle back in the prison to help take down the prison group. make them face each other and escape, darryl trusts merle, and convinces the group to let them back in the prison. could be true, based on the preview
    That's not a bad hypothesis from a story line point of view.

    But that calls for more trust being put in Merle when the Gov, who's had doubts about Merle's loyalty the whole time, just knows for a FACT that Merle told him a pack of lies about Michonne being dead, how the crew of guys was killed and what happened to her head and sword.

    And it's not like the Gov is thinking "Oh well he must have only lied to me that one time, because she was so tough, and he pussed out... I know how bad ass that chick is now, and I can look past it."

    I think the Gov is (as I would be) thinking "He lied to me pretty big about that... What else is he lieing about!"

    So putting Merle in the Prison with Daryl, would me offering Merle even more trust.

    When at the same time the big ass assault on Woodbury has just lost the Gov some of his social capital, because now people are going to think "Well, we were following the Gov's rules without question, because it kept us safe! Clearly his rules can't keep us safe... Maybe we should rethink how this town is run?"

    He doesn't want them thinking like Reasoning Beings... He needs them to think like a hot and heavy Mob... Because he needs them to do something crazy and help him go after the prison. To do that... He needs expiation... He needs to give them the face of a villain to hate and to prove that while there may have been some slip ups in security that he's got it dialed in and clearly it wasn't because his rules and leadership was flawed... It was because there's a traitor in their midst... An enemy who was lieing and going against his leadership that caused their downfall.

    By doing that he turns a visable weakness into a perceived strength.
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    that would be a nice twist


    merle then helps daryl escape
    and they go back to the prison and he takes them down from the inside




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    Originally Posted by RyouBakua View Post
    that would be a nice twist


    merle then helps daryl escape
    and they go back to the prison and he takes them down from the inside

    I think the second half of season 3 is a lot about Daryl's loyalty being tested...

    I mean presumably his biggest connection to Rick's Crew is Carol... But how will he feel if she's giving Axle some Utility Sex?

    But at the same time Merle is no lap dog for Rick... And if there is a case to be made for 2 guys who could go it alone, it's Merle and Daryl.
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    Originally Posted by Nainoa View Post
    That's not a bad hypothesis from a story line point of view.

    But that calls for more trust being put in Merle when the Gov, who's had doubts about Merle's loyalty the whole time, just knows for a FACT that Merle told him a pack of lies about Michonne being dead, how the crew of guys was killed and what happened to her head and sword.

    And it's not like the Gov is thinking "Oh well he must have only lied to me that one time, because she was so tough, and he pussed out... I know how bad ass that chick is now, and I can look past it."

    I think the Gov is (as I would be) thinking "He lied to me pretty big about that... What else is he lieing about!"

    So putting Merle in the Prison with Daryl, would me offering Merle even more trust.

    When at the same time the big ass assault on Woodbury has just lost the Gov some of his social capital, because now people are going to think "Well, we were following the Gov's rules without question, because it kept us safe! Clearly his rules can't keep us safe... Maybe we should rethink how this town is run?"

    He doesn't want them thinking like Reasoning Beings... He needs them to think like a hot and heavy Mob... Because he needs them to do something crazy and help him go after the prison. To do that... He needs expiation... He needs to give them the face of a villain to hate and to prove that while there may have been some slip ups in security that he's got it dialed in and clearly it wasn't because his rules and leadership was flawed... It was because there's a traitor in their midst... An enemy who was lieing and going against his leadership that caused their downfall.

    By doing that he turns a visable weakness into a perceived strength.
    When they "escape" that gives Gov an excuse to go out and kill the whole group along with Merle. It will be his whole reason to rally the entire clan to kill off the other group. He never told Merle that he knows about the lie, so Merle will go along with whatever plan they come up with and then Gov will double cross him after his usefulness has expired.
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    Originally Posted by Nainoa View Post
    That's not a bad hypothesis from a story line point of view.

    But that calls for more trust being put in Merle when the Gov, who's had doubts about Merle's loyalty the whole time, just knows for a FACT that Merle told him a pack of lies about Michonne being dead, how the crew of guys was killed and what happened to her head and sword.

    And it's not like the Gov is thinking "Oh well he must have only lied to me that one time, because she was so tough, and he pussed out... I know how bad ass that chick is now, and I can look past it."

    I think the Gov is (as I would be) thinking "He lied to me pretty big about that... What else is he lieing about!"

    So putting Merle in the Prison with Daryl, would me offering Merle even more trust.

    When at the same time the big ass assault on Woodbury has just lost the Gov some of his social capital, because now people are going to think "Well, we were following the Gov's rules without question, because it kept us safe! Clearly his rules can't keep us safe... Maybe we should rethink how this town is run?"

    He doesn't want them thinking like Reasoning Beings... He needs them to think like a hot and heavy Mob... Because he needs them to do something crazy and help him go after the prison. To do that... He needs expiation... He needs to give them the face of a villain to hate and to prove that while there may have been some slip ups in security that he's got it dialed in and clearly it wasn't because his rules and leadership was flawed... It was because there's a traitor in their midst... An enemy who was lieing and going against his leadership that caused their downfall.

    By doing that he turns a visable weakness into a perceived strength.
    Expanding on that, having a traitor to pin it on makes it easier for the Governor to rally troops for an assault on the prison.

    "These people attacked your town; your home! Don't you want to return the favor? "

    Me thinks he allows Daryl and Merle to escape, then gathers his army and goes at 'em head on.


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    Hairy beat me to it.
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    Originally Posted by LAWLER89 View Post
    Expanding on that, having a traitor to pin it on makes it easier for the Governor to rally troops for an assault on the prison.

    "These people attacked your town; your home! Don't you want to return the favor? "

    Me thinks he allows Daryl and Merle to escape, then gathers his army and goes at 'em head on.
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    Originally Posted by HairyScandinavian View Post
    When they "escape" that gives Gov an excuse to go out and kill the whole group along with Merle. It will be his whole reason to rally the entire clan to kill off the other group. He never told Merle that he knows about the lie, so Merle will go along with whatever plan they come up with and then Gov will double cross him after his usefulness has expired.
    Oh yeah...

    Good point... that's a perfect fit.

    I mean if I was the Gov I'd still rather have Merle with me and Merle getting me Intel (Or using Daryl) as a weak point against Rick's group.

    But you're right, using Merle and Daryl as a rally point to energize the mob is a good move.
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    sounds like we have a good council of our own
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    Originally Posted by HairyScandinavian View Post
    When they "escape" that gives Gov an excuse to go out and kill the whole group along with Merle. It will be his whole reason to rally the entire clan to kill off the other group. He never told Merle that he knows about the lie, so Merle will go along with whatever plan they come up with and then Gov will double cross him after his usefulness has expired.
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    Originally Posted by RyouBakua View Post
    sounds like we have a good council of our own

    Just like the Jedi Council really...

    I mean I've always thought of myself as a 6'4" 260 pound, non-green Yoda!
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    god i hate guvna so much. he's badas* ill give him that. but god i love what michonne did to him.

    the fall of man after his daughter got a sword thru her throat. now we will see full out psycho guvna
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    Originally Posted by CytoRoc View Post
    god i hate guvna so much. he's badas* ill give him that. but god i love what michonne did to him.

    the fall of man after his daughter got a sword thru her throat. now we will see full out psycho guvna
    Creepy it is, that you use the old 19th century British expression for Guvna'...

    To a dark and Mary Popppins themed place this takes us.
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    i understand what the governer is trying to do in starting a new order essentially, being the leader in all.

    but WHY exactly does he want to kill off every group that comes at him, not every group is a threat to him, he has the upper hand always? so why
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    Originally Posted by CytoRoc View Post
    i understand what the governer is trying to do in starting a new order essentially, being the leader in all.

    but WHY exactly does he want to kill off every group that comes at him, not every group is a threat to him, he has the upper hand always? so why
    I think the thing is that these strong outside groups really are a threat to him... The Gov rules by coercion, intellect and charm. When it comes to people who can over throw him by force it's clear that he's weak and getting weaker with each operator he loses.

    He even says it in the last episode "We're survivors... Not Soldiers."
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    Just like the Jedi Council really...

    I mean I've always thought of myself as a 6'4" 260 pound, non-green Yoda!
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    Originally Posted by CytoRoc View Post
    i understand what the governer is trying to do in starting a new order essentially, being the leader in all.

    but WHY exactly does he want to kill off every group that comes at him, not every group is a threat to him, he has the upper hand always? so why
    Think of the efficacy of the Neros, Alexander of Macedons, and Julius Ceasers of the world. They all had what amounted to solitary power and prowess in the eyes of the public. To have other voices that can offer tactics, morals, and paradigms is to establish a bureaucracy that might serve to push you out or stand against you.

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    Originally Posted by LAWLER89 View Post
    Think of the efficacy of the Neros, Alexander of Macedons, and Julius Ceasers of the world. They all had what amounted to solitary power and prowess in the eyes of the public. To have other voices that can offer tactics, morals, and paradigms is to establish a bureaucracy that might serve to push you out or stand against you.

    Critics and outside observers can cripple power.
    Outside of Nero though... Alexander and Caesar were accomplished warriors. If you were in their army you had something to fear from their hand directly.
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    Originally Posted by Midgetkiller View Post
    Awh man, Glenn better pray the group never meets a new asian dude.
    never would happen


    all the other asians get killed off pretty fast
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    Originally Posted by RyouBakua View Post
    never would happen


    all the other asians get killed off pretty fast
    Yeah Evil Glen didn't last long at all.

    But it gives us a sense of just how weak and inexperienced the Gov's operators really are.
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    Y'all know that there is a Christmas special of The Walking Dead right?

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    Originally Posted by Thewix View Post
    Y'all know that there is a Christmas special of The Walking Dead right?

    Here's a screenshot
    LOL...

    Nothing can top the 1999 Star Wars "A Jar-Jar Binks Christmas."

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    so I know the show is on break until February but I found myself in my Sunday routine and when 9pm came around I turned to AMC.....I started to tear up when it hit me
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    ^^ LOL poor T Dog.

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    so I know the show is on break until February but I found myself in my Sunday routine and when 9pm came around I turned to AMC.....I started to tear up when it hit me
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    so I know the show is on break until February but I found myself in my Sunday routine and when 9pm came around I turned to AMC.....I started to tear up when it hit me
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    Originally Posted by Procta View Post
    so I know the show is on break until February but I found myself in my Sunday routine and when 9pm came around I turned to AMC.....I started to tear up when it hit me
    Yeah I actually busted out my computer last night at 9 and started getting ahead on my work load for this week!
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    Yeah Evil Glen didn't last long at all.
    What was that dude's name? Lol'ed at "evil glenn."

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    Yeah I actually busted out my computer last night at 9 and started getting ahead on my work load for this week!
    What stream site do you use for the "premiers?" I don't think I have AMC.
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    Originally Posted by CLandry View Post
    What was that dude's name? Lol'ed at "evil glenn."

    What stream site do you use for the "premiers?" I don't think I have AMC.
    I live in the wilderness on a data plan... The only "Stream" I'm even aware of is my own piss.


    If it's not on TV, I'm not watching it.

    But I am looking forward to the Marathon on AMC NYE and New Year's day.
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