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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    Ten wings from Papa John's is 810 calories. If you want to fit that into your regular daily goal of say 1500 calories that leaves 690 for the rest of the day. It takes a lot of food for me to feel full right now. 690 isn't enough for one meal much less the rest of the day. So for dieting 810 for something that isn't filling isn't worth it.

    I'm not dieting right now so I don't give a crap. I had wings two nights ago.
    1500 calories is starvation for an athlete and going over a few hundreds calories is not a big deal it takes 3500 to gain 1 lb of fat
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    Originally Posted by Wtuttle View Post
    This. If I have 600 cals left for the day there's no way I'll stay within range. I'm up from 5:30a-10:30p going going going... gotta eat more than twice!

    Edit: I guess I should also mention I can really put down the wings. So 8 wings is probably close to half of what I'd eat. If I'm eating them, I'm eating a fukton!
    I ate 15 the other night. In my defense they were small. My husband thought he was going to get one.

    Him: "can I have a wing?"
    Me: "I ate them."
    Him: "you ate ALL 15 of them?!?!?"
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    Originally Posted by NotBigEnough206 View Post
    Oh dear lawd all this calorie counting, I tend to stay anywhere between 3000 to 5000 a day and love it.

    Brb nothing like biking, no worries. The more you eat the better it is.
    Some of us mere mortals have to count and cut back calories to drop body fat.

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    Originally Posted by Wtuttle View Post
    This. If I have 600 cals left for the day there's no way I'll stay within range. I'm up from 5:30a-10:30p going going going... gotta eat more than twice!

    Edit: I guess I should also mention I can really put down the wings. So 8 wings is probably close to half of what I'd eat. If I'm eating them, I'm eating a fukton!
    I still don't see a problem in going over a few calories
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    Originally Posted by BrotherWolf View Post
    1500 calories is starvation for an athlete and going over a few hundreds calories is not a big deal it takes 3500 to gain 1 lb of fat
    That was a number from the air. If I want to lose it probably won't be much over that. If you want to lose you don't over consume. That means eating under maintenance consistently. You're talking about needing to eat quite a lot to gain just one pound. I get that but i'm talking about losing. Two different things.

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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    Some of us mere mortals have to count and cut back calories to drop body fat.
    we all do but 1500 calories is starvation ... I can only justify that drastic calorie cut when prepping for a contest and for a specific period
    the human body is not supposed to thrive on 1500 calories
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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    That was a number from the air. If I want to lose it probably won't be much over that. If you want to lose you don't over consume. That means eating under maintenance consistently. You're talking about needing to eat quite a lot to gain just one pound. I get that but i'm talking about losing. Two different things.
    I agree about over consuming but eating and losing is the same concept .. cut 3500 calories and you have lost a lb if you cut that in a week it will be more drastic than if you do it in a month
    hence it's irrelevant if today you went over your calorie limit by 3-400 calories if you are consistently cutting calories.. it's 10% of 1 lb
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    Originally Posted by BrotherWolf View Post
    I agree about over consuming but eating and losing is the same concept .. cut 3500 calories and you have lost a lb if you cut that in a week it will be more drastic than if you do it in a month
    hence it's irrelevant if today you went over your calorie limit by 3-400 calories if you are consistently cutting calories.. it's 10% of 1 lb
    You are talking about one day. If you go over once no big deal. That's what I would call a cheat meal. If I go over on purpose it's a cheat meal. What I eat on any given day and stay within my goal is irrelevant to me. That to me isn't cheating. A burger isn't cheating. A burger that causes me to go over my goal is.

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    Originally Posted by BrotherWolf View Post
    I still don't see a problem in going over a few calories
    I suppose not everyone knows.... (What do you mean you don't follow my EVERY comment?!?!)

    This is why I choose to try to live on 1500 calories:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2013...challenge.html

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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    You are talking about one day. If you go over once no big deal. That's what I would call a cheat meal. If I go over on purpose it's a cheat meal. What I eat on any given day and stay within my goal is irrelevant to me. That to me isn't cheating. A burger isn't cheating. A burger that causes me to go over my goal is.
    Ahh ... so if your goal is to drop 10 lbs and your maintenance calorie requirement is say 2000 calories , anything below that is a cut right ?
    so if you purposely decide to cut to 1500 calories, to cheat you'd have to eat at least 500-600 calories over right , do you realize how minuscule of a difference that makes unless you do that all the times consistently ?

    my point is counting/worrying about it day by day is counterproductive because even if you go over 800 calories for that day you may have gained no more than 4oz
    in the long run this is totally irrelevant however in the case of Wtuttle who's trying to meet a short term goal that could be relevant ..




    Originally Posted by Wtuttle View Post
    I suppose not everyone knows.... (What do you mean you don't follow my EVERY comment?!?!)

    This is why I choose to try to live on 1500 calories:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2013...challenge.html
    ok that makes more sense but I still wouldn't call it a cheat meal there are no cheat meals there's only overeating .
    even with the wings you still have room for food .. 600 calories ? no problem eat low calorie food so that your "cheat meal" is no longer a cheat but just a part of your diet
    you can cut on any food even cake and wings..

    If some people chose to live on steamed broccoli and
    dry chicken that's their prerogative but it's fueled by ignorance I prefer a varied diet with lots of foods that I love so that
    eating is never a burden that I need a half a brownie once a week to keep my sanity and justify it by calling it a cheat meal

    Again I am talking about average people not someone getting ready for a contest like you
    who says love has to be soft and gentle ?

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    Originally Posted by BrotherWolf View Post
    we all do but 1500 calories is starvation ... I can only justify that drastic calorie cut when prepping for a contest and for a specific period
    the human body is not supposed to thrive on 1500 calories
    1500 calories is what I am doing. For my cut. Effin Fitnesspal says I should be at 1300! Keep in mind BW that your a man and have 40-60lbs on us. 1500 for YOU, would be starving.

    Edit: Sometimes I post things on here and then facepalm myself. Sorry BW. As if you needed me to tell you that.
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    Originally Posted by BrotherWolf View Post
    Ahh ... so if your goal is to drop 10 lbs and your maintenance calorie requirement is say 2000 calories , anything below that is a cut right ?
    so if you purposely decide to cut to 1500 calories, to cheat you'd have to eat at least 500-600 calories over right , do you realize how minuscule of a difference that makes unless you do that all the times consistently ?

    my point is counting/worrying about it day by day is counterproductive because even if you go over 800 calories for that day you may have gained no more than 4oz
    in the long run this is totally irrelevant however in the case of Wtuttle who's trying to meet a short term goal that could be relevant ..






    ok that makes more sense but I still wouldn't call it a cheat meal there are no cheat meals there's only overeating .
    even with the wings you still have room for food .. 600 calories ? no problem eat low calorie food so that your "cheat meal" is no longer a cheat but just a part of your diet
    you can cut on any food even cake and wings..

    If some people chose to live on steamed broccoli and
    dry chicken that's their prerogative but it's fueled by ignorance I prefer a varied diet with lots of foods that I love so that
    eating is never a burden that I need a half a brownie once a week to keep my sanity and justify it by calling it a cheat meal

    Again I am talking about average people not someone getting ready for a contest like you
    I'm going to figure out how to make this work. Srs. I am one of those people that need variety, and too feel like I have "indulged". 600 cals of low-cal food: I'm thinking mostly veggies here.

    I always see people write/say this, but it's true. There's no reason for me to feel like I'm in prison

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    Originally Posted by Fawnl View Post
    1500 calories is what I am doing. For my cut. Effin Fitnesspal says I should be at 1300! Keep in mind BW that your a man and have 40-60lbs on us. 1500 for YOU, would be starving.

    Edit: Sometimes I post things on here and then facepalm myself. Sorry BW. As if you needed me to tell you that.
    Oh no don't get me wrong I am considering gender.. but 1300 is downright ridiculous unless you are in a wheelchair and have 0 activity level.

    That level of cut (1300) is unnecessary for most normal females who work out , you can run a car without oil sooner or later your engine will burn out, if you want to recover from training you need fuel .

    Remember that when you cut you lose muscles , when you cut aggressively you lose even more muscles and you end up going from chubby to skinny fat, then you look in the mirror and want abs but they aren't there because
    you lost muscle tone during your cut

    The best diet is not a "diet" but good eating habits, something that you do without feeling deprived all the times and are able to keep doing without emotional stress.. that is for average people
    for bikini models, bbers etc.. it's taken to an extreme for obvious reasons .

    I was almost 165 just a couple of months ago so I was only 22lbs more than you I was still losing weight at about 2200 calories a day give or take, it's not the extra bw but the amount of muscles and
    dat there testosterone combined with lifestyle etc..

    If you are cutting at 1500 and are happy with it then more power to you and if you can do it without major food restrictions even better , I prefer that route so when I cut I just eat less
    instead of having seconds and eating 4 eggs with 4 strips of bacon and 2 slices of toast in the morning I will eat half of that , that's a huge calorie cut without giving up anything major ..




    Originally Posted by Wtuttle View Post
    I'm going to figure out how to make this work. Srs. I am one of those people that need variety, and too feel like I have "indulged". 600 cals of low-cal food: I'm thinking mostly veggies here.

    I always see people write/say this, but it's true. There's no reason for me to feel like I'm in prison
    Exactly my point , but you have a short term goal and are already pretty lean so you might have to take on extreme measures
    just remember you don't have to eat bland boring food all the times just watch your portions .

    Some people don't care about food in general, they treat it as fuel so eating bland boring food it's ok but don't think just because they do it and works everyone must follow their example
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    Originally Posted by Fawnl View Post
    1500 calories is what I am doing. For my cut. Effin Fitnesspal says I should be at 1300! Keep in mind BW that your a man and have 40-60lbs on us. 1500 for YOU, would be starving.

    Edit: Sometimes I post things on here and then facepalm myself. Sorry BW. As if you needed me to tell you that.
    Ignore MFP... have you recalculated your calories using the stickies? I cut at about 1700. I dropped to 1600 at one point and did not cope well. I'm not really prepared to give up tea, coffee etc and I generally eat normal meals. I was better for me mentally to come in under my 1700 goal if I had a good day, rather than always coming in over my 1600 limit.

    EDIT: What BW said!!

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    I hate stupid people.
    The general public is pretty freaking stupid. Just go to Walmart and proven.
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    Originally Posted by pharty View Post
    The general public is pretty freaking stupid. Just go to Walmart and proven.
    actually I find going to walmart rather entertaining..its a study of the socioeconiomic conditions of my hometown

    aah come on now...the carnival only comes around once a year

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    Originally Posted by latebloomingmom View Post
    actually I find going to walmart rather entertaining..its a study of the socioeconiomic conditions of my hometown

    aah come on now...the carnival only comes around once a year
    I try and only go to Walmart once a year too lol!
    Last time the cashier had to go on and on about being boderline diabetic then some old dude was wondering around the parking lot and it wa a gajillion degrees out so I asked if he needed help yep couldn't find his car but also couldn't tell me exactly what kind of car it was. Yep I let him drive off once he found it.
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    Originally Posted by mhockey9090 View Post
    This. But really not stupid people bc some cant help it but without common sense
    Common sense? don't get me started with something that is meant to be 'common' lol

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    The general public is pretty freaking stupid. Just go to Walmart and proven.
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    Ahh ... so if your goal is to drop 10 lbs and your maintenance calorie requirement is say 2000 calories , anything below that is a cut right ?
    so if you purposely decide to cut to 1500 calories, to cheat you'd have to eat at least 500-600 calories over right , do you realize how minuscule of a difference that makes unless you do that all the times consistently ?

    my point is counting/worrying about it day by day is counterproductive because even if you go over 800 calories for that day you may have gained no more than 4oz
    in the long run this is totally irrelevant however in the case of Wtuttle who's trying to meet a short term goal that could be relevant ..






    ok that makes more sense but I still wouldn't call it a cheat meal there are no cheat meals there's only overeating .
    even with the wings you still have room for food .. 600 calories ? no problem eat low calorie food so that your "cheat meal" is no longer a cheat but just a part of your diet
    you can cut on any food even cake and wings..

    If some people chose to live on steamed broccoli and
    dry chicken that's their prerogative but it's fueled by ignorance I prefer a varied diet with lots of foods that I love so that
    eating is never a burden that I need a half a brownie once a week to keep my sanity and justify it by calling it a cheat meal

    Again I am talking about average people not someone getting ready for a contest like you
    You're talking extremes. I don't eat bland food 24/7 when dieting. I sure don't eat like I am now though.

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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    You're talking extremes. I don't eat bland food 24/7 when dieting. I sure don't eat like I am now though.
    the easiest way to diet is to be too lazy to go to the store or prepare things
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