Question about DB and BB bench

[BoneAndDream]

ON chest day i usually do DB bench. i find that when i use bb my left shoulder feels wrong afterwards. on a bb i can do 145 lbs 5 times. with dbs i can do 55 lbs in each hand 8 times.

chest day
Flat DB press 3 x 6-8
incline db 3 x 6-8
(when it is in there) decline db 3 x 6-8

flat db flyes 3 x 8
incline db flyes 3 x 8

incline cable flyes 2 x 8
incline cable flies to failure

is it ok to use dumbells to completely replace barbell? or, maybe when i can do 70 lb dumbbells i might start doing bb. not really sure

opinions?

[Knights12]

Seems like your volume for hitting your chest is too high, but that's up to how your body reacts personally. But there's nothing wrong with replacing BB exercises with DB exercises. You won't hit the accessory muscles required for BB Bench Press as much, but it'll work your chest fine (if not better). If your shoulder is hurting after BB though you should check your form, it's probably off which would put extra pressure on the shoulders.

[BoneAndDream]

Seems like your volume for hitting your chest is too high, but that's up to how your body reacts personally. But there's nothing wrong with replacing BB exercises with DB exercises. You won't hit the accessory muscles required for BB Bench Press as much, but it'll work your chest fine (if not better). If your shoulder is hurting after BB though you should check your form, it's probably off which would put extra pressure on the shoulders.

can you reply with my routine edited to what you think would be better if there was less volume?

[AdamNW]

you really arent using enough frequency for your training and/or too much volume in one day.
but to answer your question, yes its fine to use dumbbells instead, but you can progress better generally using the barbell.

[BoneAndDream]

you really arent using enough frequency for your training

what do you mean by this?

[Basketball22]

Emg studies say db activate the chest better than bb. Here are some i could find quickly:
http://www.tnation.com/free_online_a...ceps_exercises
http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/mark4.htm

Also your form may be off. This vid may help.

[Knights12]

can you reply with my routine edited to what you think would be better if there was less volume?

I'd eliminate all but one kind of flyes...do either flat DB or incline..whatever you prefer. And in terms of frequency you should try to hit your muscles twice per week, especially large groups like your chest

[BoneAndDream]

I'd eliminate all but one kind of flyes...do either flat DB or incline..whatever you prefer. And in terms of frequency you should try to hit your muscles twice per week, especially large groups like your chest

the logistics are difficult, i'm 15 and i dont have a car/license and i can only get rides to the gym 3, maybe 4 times a week if im lucky

and are you saying i should work legs and lats twice a week too?

that would mean i would have to be in the gym 8 days a week...

[NZninja101]

the logistics are difficult, i'm 15 and i dont have a car/license and i can only get rides to the gym 3, maybe 4 times a week if im lucky

Then hit your entire upper body on one day twice a week, and do the same for your lower body. Since you'll be hitting chest twice a week you won't need so much volume. Flat/decline press and incline bench should be all you need.

[charles1997]

You do a lot of different chest workouts in a day; I'd cut it down to 4. I do DB bench, BB bench and flyes. Then throw in a machine or cable motion. But yeah, barbell bench isn't necessary. I devote my chest size increasing to FLYES.

[BoneAndDream]

Then hit your entire upper body on one day twice a week, and do the same for your lower body. Since you'll be hitting chest twice a week you won't need so much volume. Flat/decline press and incline bench should be all you need.

wouldn't that be overtraining though..?

[RainingBlood]

wouldn't that be overtraining though..?

Do you even search function?
Sounds like your whole philosophy on training needs working on.

[BoneAndDream]

Do you even search function?
Sounds like your whole philosophy on training needs working on.

no i just heard that if you train too much it's bad for your kidneys, i'm just trying to be careful

[RainingBlood]

no i just heard that if you train too much it's bad for your kidneys, i'm just trying to be careful

I can't take you seriously anymore.

[BoneAndDream]

I can't take you seriously anymore.

i'm not even trying to troll or anything in just relatively new to lifting

[RainingBlood]

i'm not even trying to troll or anything in just relatively new to lifting

That's exactly what a troll would say... No, I'm just busting your balls.
Whoever told you that merged the "high protein is bad for your kidneys" and the "training more than once a week is bad" myths together. Both of which are untrue.
You can train a muscle 2-3 times a week and make pretty nice progress. Watch the volume on your routine. Too many exercises.

[BoneAndDream]

That's exactly what a troll would say... No, I'm just busting your balls.
Whoever told you that merged the "high protein is bad for your kidneys" and the "training more than once a week is bad" myths together. Both of which are untrue.
You can train a muscle 2-3 times a week and make pretty nice progress. Watch the volume on your routine. Too many exercises.

i do eat a lot of skinless chicken, steak, fish, eggs etc. and i take 1 scoop of whey after every workout. i eat a lot of dat dere unhealthy sh*t, gotta stop lol

[DannyZz]

If your shoulders hurting during BB try bringing your chest up and slighty arching your back so your chest comes above your shoulders (if possible for your physique), eliminating the majority of their part in the exercise. Feels awkward at first but trying to bring your shoulders blades together to when doing the above helps further eliminate the shoulders part in the exercise.

[RainingBlood]

i do eat a lot of skinless chicken, steak, fish, eggs etc. and i take 1 scoop of whey after every workout. i eat a lot of dat dere unhealthy sh*t, gotta stop lol

It's always better to stay away from the junk.

[BoneAndDream]

It's always better to stay away from the junk.

yeah i take in a lot of protein but a lot of fat too. i know i have to clean up my diet

[RainingBlood]

yeah i take in a lot of protein but a lot of fat too. i know i have to clean up my diet

Stay away from the bad fats . Good fats are good, but too much of anything is bad.

[BoneAndDream]

Stay away from the bad fats . Good fats are good, but too much of anything is bad.

i dont track my calories or anything. breakfast is usually sausage, scrambled eggs, homefries, and (i know) a pancake. lunch is protein bar and a turkey sandwich. supper is usually steak, grilled chicken or fish, with corn broccoli or carrots. i do eat a snack in between though. sometimes chips...brownies...damn i like food too much lol

[RainingBlood]

i dont track my calories or anything. breakfast is usually sausage, scrambled eggs, homefries, and (i know) a pancake. lunch is protein bar and a turkey sandwich. supper is usually steak, grilled chicken or fish, with corn broccoli or carrots. i do eat a snack in between though. sometimes chips...brownies...damn i like food too much lol

Jelly . I never have any yum yums in my house.
Brb open fridge and the yummiest thing is eggs.

[BoneAndDream]

Jelly . I never have any yum yums in my house.
Brb open fridge and the yummiest thing is eggs.

is that an ok diet though other than the snacks and the pancake?

[RainingBlood]

is that an ok diet though other than the snacks and the pancake?

You tell me, it's your diet. I think it's acceptable for your average lifter, but unacceptable for a healthnut.

[BoneAndDream]

You tell me, it's your diet. I think it's acceptable for your average lifter, but unacceptable for a healthnut.

well, i'm just an average lifter so i'm good. i think i need to eat the same things but a little bit more, i havent been making too much progress maybe its because i havent been eating enough. like i don't eat until i'm full. am i supposed to do that to build muscle?

[BoneAndDream]

brb trying to get my post count to 30 so i can post pics, it is 30 right?

[AdamNW]

what do you mean by this?

you dont train each body part often enough if you only train it once a week

wouldn't that be overtraining though..?

no

brb trying to get my post count to 30 so i can post pics, it is 30 right?

im fairly certain its 50 posts


did you really say lifting can damage your kidneys?

[RainingBlood]

well, i'm just an average lifter so i'm good. i think i need to eat the same things but a little bit more, i havent been making too much progress maybe its because i havent been eating enough. like i don't eat until i'm full. am i supposed to do that to build muscle?

You eat in a surplus and you will build muscle. Count cals.

[BoneAndDream]

you dont train each body part often enough if you only train it once a week


no


im fairly certain its 50 posts


did you really say lifting can damage your kidneys?

>50 posts
sheeeiiiitt

i heard someone say that lifting TOO MUCH does. but that could be wrong i have no idea.
and i didnt know you were supposed to train a muscle group more than once a week, will definitely do that