Misc Firearms Crew IV: Dial "0" For Operator

[nick911sc]

Birdshot is still going to penetrate a wall...

[pphil09]

You CC the same thing you use for home defense?

i do also. Walther PPS. I rather be an expert with one than sufficient with two.

I have a winchester shotty that I would use first priority in home defense though. My pps is usually more accessible

[nm1891]

Birdshot is still going to penetrate a wall...

Possibly, but it has more of a chance of being stopped by a wall than buckshot.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...esting-take-1/

[LAWLER89]

Do explain how it is nonsense? I have other units on all sides of me. BRB, shooting burglar and getting a prison sentence for shooting a neighbor with buckshot. Bird shot obviously isnt ideal, but I know I wouldn't want to get shot center mass with it from under 10 feet away.

A) Let's see the ballistic profile and evaluation of the buckshot tests you're using as evidence in your claim. Oh, what's that? These claims AREN'T based ob empirical evidence?

Buckshot is round and slow-moving, with a poor penetration quotient. Flat surfaces are going to break up its velocity with haste. Nevermind how farfetched the notion of a .00 load penetrating a person AND a wall, then having enough force to kill someone is.

B) How badly are you planning on missing this hypothetical attacker that you're firing into paper walls?

[nm1891]

A) Let's see the ballistic profile and evaluation of the buckshot tests you're using as evidence in your claim. Oh, what's that? These claims AREN'T based ob empirical evidence?

Buckshot is round and slow-moving, with a poor penetration quotient. Flat surfaces are going to break up its velocity with haste. Nevermind how farfetched the notion of a .00 load penetrating a person AND a wall, then having enough force to kill someone is.

B) How badly are you planning on missing this hypothetical attacker that you're firing into paper walls?

Posted link above. Birdshot was stopped by the third layer of sheet rock, buckshot was not. And again, I live in a pretty small apartment with units on all sides of me, I would be hesitant to fire any shots unless absolutely necessary, the chances of penetrating with any kind of round into a neighbors apartment is pretty high.

[Subaruski]

Toys...

DPMS AR10 with Trijicon Accupoint

AR10 again with Colt AR15

Bravo Company AR15

Crap century arms Ak74



Aresenal SA93, Arselan SGL, Bravo Company AR15

CZ82 and Glock 23C

[nick911sc]

[Turbomunkey]

I find it hard to believe somebody leaves a rifle up against a bench and forgets about it..

agreed

[nick911sc]

agreed

woops



http://www.standard.net/topics/inves...unk-patrol-car

[Farley1324]

Do explain how it is nonsense? I have other units on all sides of me. BRB, shooting burglar and getting a prison sentence for shooting a neighbor with buckshot. Bird shot obviously isnt ideal, but I know I wouldn't want to get shot center mass with it from under 10 feet away.

If it will penetrate an attacker enough to reliably stop them, it will penetrate interior walls.

Birdshot is not a reliable stopper.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=109958

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot14_4.htm

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

[RyouBakua]

Birdshot is not a reliable stopper.

if people carry 22, 25 and 380 for defense

i have no problem with birdshot

[tooKOOLforSKOOL]

^ reps for awesome looking 4runner

[Farley1324]

if people carry 22, 25 and 380 for defense

i have no problem with birdshot

If people carry nothing for defense

I have no problem with blanks

[RyouBakua]

If people carry nothing for defense

I have no problem with blanks

bingo

[Farley1324]

bingo

uh...okay

[insomniac23]

enough bickering about nonsense, more cross posting pics like farley

pic from my range trip yesterday

[Subaruski]

^ reps for awesome looking 4runner

Belongs to a buddy of mine. Over 200k on the odometer and still running strong. It's his dgaf smash through the desert truck.

[livebrah]

does anyone know of a good speedloader pouch? I dislike the flap over the top designs and the open top ones seem to have issues with detents wearing out really fast or no retention.

this is part of the reason why im interested in a moonclip revolver like the 625 and 610
I mean look at how nice and simple this looks
http://4wheelguns.com/IDPA.html

please respond

[meatjesus]

please respond

If you type moonclips or speedloader one more time I am going to neg you.

[livebrah]

If you type moonclips or speedloader one more time I am going to neg you.

u just mad cause revolvers style on glocks all day

[SpeedCheeser]

Let's change up the topic. What gun, caliber, and round do you use for home defense?
My dad has a Sig P229 .40 and he uses Glaser Pow'rBall ammunition. However I would hardly be able to get to this if somebody broke in, it's locked up in a safe..
I have my M&P 15-22 .22 LR with Velocitor ammunition, the mags are very close to the gun without it being loaded. I wish I had something better but the only other rifle, and firearm that I have is my Remington 30-06, but I don't think putting 150-180 grains of PSP in somebody at 10-30 yards is the greatest of ideas.
If I had a 12 gauge I'd use #1, 00, and then slugs.

Truck gun (no CHL yet)/my nightstand: H&K USP 9mm, Hornady Zombie Max

GF's "nightstand" (it's a couple feet away): XD9 sub compact, Winchester PDX1 Bonded +p

Under the bed: Mossberg 500, Winchester Super X 00 buckshot.

[Farley1324]

That challenge is fukking hard. And/or I suck at it.

Ruger GP100, 4". Ammo: CCI/Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P

Score = 10

[insomniac23]

u just mad cause revolvers style on glocks all day

negged

[nm1891]

if people carry 22, 25 and 380 for defense

i have no problem with birdshot

Especially from a close range. I dont know why I'm getting so much hate for considering my living conditions and wanting to at least minimize the risk of collateral. I carry a .45, I'm all about more stopping power if the situation allows, I just wouldnt feel comfortable firing a .45 or buck shot in my apartment, granted the chances of someone trying to break in to my poverty apartment is pretty low either way so it is almost a moot point, I keep both bird and buckshot on my shell holder of my Maverick.

[Farley1324]

Especially from a close range. I dont know why I'm getting so much hate for considering my living conditions and wanting to at least minimize the risk of collateral. I carry a .45, I'm all about more stopping power if the situation allows, I just wouldnt feel comfortable firing a .45 or buck shot in my apartment, granted the chances of someone trying to break in to my poverty apartment is pretty low either way so it is almost a moot point, I keep both bird and buckshot on my shell holder of my Maverick.

As long as you know not to expect birdshot to reliably stop an attacker.

[thorherc67]

How is the LE6920 working out for you? I'm thinking of that or a M&P 15 TS, but after shooting both again I found the Colt is just as accurate as the M&P. I might get a Colt now, LE6920 is what I've been looking in to.

Let me know.

i know it wasn't directed towards me but... I picked up the LE6920 FDE anodized and love it. shoots anything i put in it and i haven't had a single jam. Great gun, it was actually my first Colt and I am really glad i picked it up. As far as accuracy it is great, i have just been using the iron sights and have a decent grouping at 100 yards.

[meatjesus]

That challenge is fukking hard. And/or I suck at it.

Ruger GP100, 4". Ammo: CCI/Speer Gold Dot 135gr +P

Score = 10

Good on you for trying it again. I'll refrain from talking isht till I post mine. So far it seems like 10 yards is a good challenge.

[nm1891]

As long as you know not to expect birdshot to reliably stop an attacker.

Again, I wouldn't want to get shot in the chest or torso with bird shot form a few feet away, but point taken, new topic.

[CheekyRunt]

Stopping power... when will this myth die?

[Farley1324]

Stopping power... when will this myth die?

What myth?