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    Conservatives, why are red states so poor?

    Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama, and North Carolina are the ten poorest states in America what do they have in common? They are conservative. The top five richest states (except for one) are more liberal. Why is that? And why is it that red states take more from the government than blue state?




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    I live in TN and yeah, we pretty much live off of the federal government. Yet, most of our constituency are the "government needs to stay out of our lives" types.
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    You're citing one statistic without definition, then claiming it means & says something else. How are people supposed to respond to that?

    For example, can you tell us exactly what is included in the "Federal spending" sum? Is that just entitlement spending, or does it also include contracts, manufacturing, paychecks for government/military employees, etc...?

    So, once you can define the content of your data, then we can discuss it.
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    You're citing one statistic without definition, then claiming it means & says something else. How are people supposed to respond to that?

    For example, can you tell us exactly what is included in the "Federal spending" sum? Is that just entitlement spending, or does it also include contracts, manufacturing, paychecks for government/military employees, etc...?

    So, once you can define the content of your data, then we can discuss it.
    It is for ALL government benefits.

    But, can you answer the more important question of why conservative states or poorer?
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    The reason they are poor is to complex to explain through politics. Remember the North has had the edge in terms of Economics over the South for most of this countries duration.

    The question you should be asking is why are the poorer states voting Republican? You can definitely see the relation between economic prosperity/education and the type of government people vote in. The richer and more educated a population becomes, the more they vote for progressive politicians. Look at every society in the world, and you can see this pattern.
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    I'm probably more conservative than not, but you still cannot even conceive of how unrustled my jimmies remain after reading your post OP.
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    Originally Posted by Trillonare View Post
    It is for ALL government benefits.

    But, can you answer the more important question of why conservative states or poorer?
    You combined two answers. Is it solely calculated on "benefits", or is it for "ALL" government spending?

    Because I fail to see how buying materials/services from a company that happens to be in one state leads to that state being "poor". So, once again: can you tell us exactly what is included in the "Federal spending" sum?

    Just as I fail to see why you chose to use 2004 election results, instead of 2008 which even turns your top "red" state.... blue. Along with flipping the color of your #2 "Give" state. Etc.
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    Originally Posted by kingzamzon View Post
    The question you should be asking is why are the poorer states voting Republican? You can definitely see the relation between economic prosperity/education and the type of government people vote in. The richer and more educated a population becomes, the more they vote for progressive politicians. Look at every society in the world, and you can see this pattern.
    Why are you falling for his misrepresentation that the graph data indicates "rich" and "poor"...?
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    You combined two answers. Is it solely calculated on "benefits", or is it for "ALL" government spending?

    Because I fail to see how buying materials/services from a company that happens to be in one state leads to that state being "poor". So, once again: can you tell us exactly what is included in the "Federal spending" sum?

    Just as I fail to see why you chose to use 2004 election results, instead of 2008 which even turns your top "red" state.... blue. Along with flipping the color of your #2 "Give" state. Etc.
    This article on poltifact has an excellent rebutile to your argument: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...leaning-state/
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    Why are you falling for his misrepresentation that the graph data indicates "rich" and "poor"...?
    Rich and poor are determined by the number of people living in poverty.

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    Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama, and North Carolina ...
    So you're saying theses states are poor mainly because they're Conservative?

    Not for any other reason what so ever...

    Huh???
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    This is actually the best argument for libertarianism. Do we really want to give our hard earned money to the cesspools that you have mentioned? No. So lets reduce or eliminate the federal government so that conservative states can get their just desserts.
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    Originally Posted by brighamw View Post
    So you're saying theses states are poor mainly because they're Conservative?

    Not for any other reason what so ever...

    Huh???
    aware me on why they are poor. Also, aware me on why richer states are more liberal.
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    Originally Posted by ZenBowman View Post
    This is actually the best argument for libertarianism. Do we really want to give our hard earned money to the cesspools that you have mentioned? No. So lets reduce or eliminate the federal government so that conservative states can get their just desserts.
    Libertarianism is a step in the wrong direction.
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    Libertarianism is a step in the wrong direction.
    why is that
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    Originally Posted by Trillonare View Post
    Libertarianism is a step in the wrong direction.
    On a federal level? No, its the right step, otherwise red states will continue to leech off us.
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    Originally Posted by Trillonare View Post
    This article on poltifact has an excellent rebutile to your argument: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...leaning-state/
    He's not making an argument he's asking you to explain yours, that article still doesn't answer what he asked.
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    Originally Posted by Trillonare View Post
    Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, Alabama, and North Carolina are the ten poorest states in America what do they have in common? They are conservative. The top five richest states (except for one) are more liberal. Why is that? And why is it that red states take more from the government than blue state?


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    No conservative has answered why red states are poorer. They know their ideology is flawed.
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    No conservative has answered why red states are poorer. They know their ideology is flawed.
    what is their ideology?
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    Originally Posted by AloneNoFriends View Post
    what is their ideology?
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    Originally Posted by Trillonare View Post
    It is for ALL government benefits.

    But, can you answer the more important question of why conservative states or poorer?
    I would say that have large amounts of debt is poor, and that would mean the blue states.
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    Originally Posted by amtharin View Post
    I would say that have large amounts of debt is poor, and that would mean the blue states.
    wut?
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    Originally Posted by Trillonare View Post
    wut?
    Being in debt = blue states = poor

    Since we get to make up our one definition of poor, right?
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    Originally Posted by Trillonare View Post
    I am waiting for an answer.
    LOL you dont even know how wrong you are. This is awesome.
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    Originally Posted by Trillonare View Post
    No conservative has answered why red states are poorer. They know their ideology is flawed.
    Not conservative, but the south has always been poorer than the north. The north became the industrial center early on, while the south remained an agricultural based society for much longer, and you could argue that it does to this day for the most part. One can argue that with industrialization the wealth began amassing in the north, and with it education. And it is a well known fact, as users above have pointed out, that with more education, people generally tend to become more liberal, both socially and economically. You can see this clearly at any higher education institution and amongst intellectuals and professionals.

    Religiosity tends to decrease as a result of education as well. Thus, what you get is a more educated, less religious north, and a less educated and more religious south. Thus, it's no surprise that southerners tend to stick with an ideology that shares their moral (religious) values and which holds in greater esteem a more individualized (conservative) economic model. The more educated liberals, on the other hand, see society progressing and want the country to adapt.

    so, cliffs
    South is not poor because it's conservative, its conservative because it's poor(er than north)
    poverty leads to greater religiosity and lower level of education
    more education = more progressive outlook on social values, and economics
    current republican platform values religiosity (traditional religious concepts of marriage, abortion, etc)
    current republican platform does not value progressive ideas
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