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    How to slow down metabolism

    Sup brahs. I came from 140 up to mu current ~160lbs.
    I have strong ectomorph genetics. Could never gain weight for chit.

    Anyway I'm pushing 4k cal+ per day for the past 5 days or so. I bumped up from 3500cal.
    WTF??? How is it possible that the scale is not moving up???? Other than playing bball a couple times a week and of course lifting- I am not doing a huge amount of physical activity.

    My question is, is there anyway natural way to slow down my metabolism or something to where I don't need a huge amount of calories to continue gaining?
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    I'm about to turn 40.
    If it was going to slow down, it probably would have happened by now.
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    I'll trade ya mine....Seriously, I don't have any tips for you on this one other than to enjoy the leanness and keep working at it.

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    I'm a lot taller but pretty much the same, My weight is holding steady at around 214Lbs while eating 4k per day, I'm about to bump it upto 4500 to see what effect that has!!
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    Originally Posted by koolskool View Post
    My question is, is there anyway natural way to slow down my metabolism or something to where I don't need a huge amount of calories to continue gaining?
    No.

    Metabolic rate is a function of many factors, not the least of which is the amount of muscle you carry. IOW, the more mass you gradually add from weight training, the more you'll need to increase calorie intake if you plan to add even more muscle.


    I understand where you're coming from though. Myself as well as a few other regulars here go through the same thing--a (seemingly) large amount of calories required just to maintain body weight, and more on top of that to gain.
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    No brain, no gain.

    You can't out-train bad nutrition.

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    At your height I wouldn't expect to get much bigger than what you are naturally anyways. At your best, you'll probably end up being around 5% at 160 lbs, 175 tops if you're completely hydrated and full of glycogen. And that would look great!

    As far as the metabolism goes, I'd say enjoy it. My experience is that your metabolism slows down a lot from dieting, and you don't want that. You'll have a lot more energy for life if you can keep your metabolism high. And if you never let yourself get fat, you'll never have to diet.
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    Skip the bball for a week or two and see what happens?
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    Originally Posted by x-trainer ben View Post
    Skip the bball for a week or two and see what happens?
    Tried that and it might have actually stalled my weight gain for a solid month
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    I'm in the same boat, man.

    I am 5'10, and my weight varies from 170-175 depending on my meals for the day. I work out hard and consistent, take protein, eat a lot, but just can't get beyond the 175 mark. People always said my metabolism would slow down when I got older, but I am 36 and its still operating at full force.

    I've come to actually appreciate it. When I was in my 20's I'd be so frustrated not getting buff when I was working out harder and lifting more then other buff dudes in the gym. But now I don't care as much. The way I see it getting too big would be a burden. I am a good balance now where I have the endurance to run marathons, and can hold my own with bigger guys in the gym. I often lift the same weights as dude 30-40lbs bigger than me. Even if some of the bigger dudes are 15-20% stronger than me, I still have 100%+ more stamina than them, so its a fair trade.

    So I guess what I am saying to you is- WHY do you want to be big? Big doesn't necessarily mean stronger, and it will almost certainly mean less flexibility and less endurance.
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    Not quite understanding why would you need all this but here is what I think.

    First off - fasting. It can make you gain weight, just do some reading on it.

    Secondy - dieting, being on a calorie restricting diet will slow your metabolic rate. That is why people can't lose weight, they get into metabolic entrapment due you continious restriction.

    And then, you can reduce the amount of water you drink a day. I know for the fact that when I was upping my water intake my metabolic rate was going up as well, I was eating like teenager and wasn't gaining any weight. So, theoretically, doing opposite must have opposite effect.

    Then there is also freediving, sort of training where you hold your breath and metabolic rate goes way down. I am not quite sure if apnea training has any long term metabolic effect, but during your training heart rate goes down to 50, 40 or even 30 bpm.
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    Throw a glazed doughnut in daily for a couple of weeks on top of what you are already eating and see what happens. They are good for a few hundred extra calories.
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    Just out of curiosity, are you counting? What is your exact macro breakdown? If you are not counting, how are you estimating intake?
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    Originally Posted by acrawlingchaos View Post
    Just out of curiosity, are you counting? What is your exact macro breakdown? If you are not counting, how are you estimating intake?
    Was wondering the same thing. When I was 148, I thought I ate a ton. On some days I did, but as an average, when i finally broke it down, was less than 2000 calories a day. For an ectomorph, that explained everything. Consistency is key. Unless you weigh it and track it, it's tough to guesstimate what you eat every day.
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    The short answer to the metabolism question is always "eat more!"

    I assume kool is like me and eating more doesnt really matter, and has temporary effects at best.

    My body is determined to stay in the low 170s, and the more I eat the more time I spend in the bathroom.
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    I track calories with myfitness pal. I had 4300cal yesterday.
    I dont want to get "BIG" - I want to get bigger and stronger- especially in my calves and legs and chest.

    Physique is coming along nicely , strength gains are a little slow, 5-10lbs per month right now.
    I gained 20lbs in about 6 months with very little fat gain and a Whole lot of strength.
    Went from 140~11% to 160~13%.


    This aint my first stall, I got stuck at 153 for a solid 5-6 weeks.
    Then I jumped from 153-160 in no time.
    Guess it's fits and starts with this here weight gain thingy.
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    Originally Posted by koolskool View Post
    Guess it's fits and starts with this here weight gain thingy.
    Yes. It's very rare for someone to gain weight in linear fashion after he progresses out of noob stage.
    No brain, no gain.

    You can't out-train bad nutrition.

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    Originally Posted by koolskool View Post
    I track calories with myfitness pal. I had 4300cal yesterday.
    I dont want to get "BIG" - I want to get bigger and stronger- especially in my calves and legs and chest.



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    My legs are my biggest stall area. Its baffling actually, I can leg press around 1000lbs, but my legs are thin as hell. I do heavy leg presses, squats, kettlebell exercises, and my legs don't get any bigger. They get stronger, but they still look like chicken legs.
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    Originally Posted by KeystoneRunner View Post
    I can leg press around 1000lbs, but my legs are thin as hell.
    This makes no sense at all. Thin legs won't support that much weight unless your ROM is severely restricted.
    No brain, no gain.

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    Originally Posted by KeystoneRunner View Post
    I can leg press around 1000lbs, but my legs are thin as hell.
    1,000 lb leg press?

    Oh I love these threads.

    Gonna need to see a vid there, son.
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    To the above two posters, I am not saying my legs are toothpick thin. Just slender, but defined.

    Also keep in mind machines vary from brand to brand, so putting 1000lb on the machine I am using might very well be easier than the brand you are using

    And to be clear, I am NOT boasting. I know the squat is the true leg exercise, and any girl or old man can stack weight on a leg press and lift with help of the machine and angles.

    My only point its funny how I get stronger but not bigger.

    But since you called me on it, I will post a video soon.
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    I deep squat 242x5 and my legs are still pretty twiggy.
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    Originally Posted by KeystoneRunner View Post
    My only point its funny how I get stronger but not bigger.
    If you're not gaining weight, you're simply not eating enough.
    No brain, no gain.

    You can't out-train bad nutrition.

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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    If you're not gaining weight, you're simply not eating enough.
    Quite possibly. But don;t underestimate my metabolism. If I go all out tomorrow and eat a buffet for breakfeast, lunch, and dinner, that will just result in me taking a massive dump that night or first thing next morning-if not multiple sessions throughout the day. Food really just passes through me.

    I have gained over the years, don't get me wrong. In my early 20's when I started working out I was like 150, and now at 36 I am 175 (after a good day of eating). If I can just anchor in at 180 I will be happy. Beyond that I will start losing time off my long distance runs.
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    Although, ironically, a lot of the BMI calculator websites I am going to am telling me I am overweight at 5'10 175. I dont know how much credibility they have though.
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    Originally Posted by KeystoneRunner View Post
    But since you called me on it, I will post a video soon.
    We'll see, have been told that before and almost never happens.
    "You know that little thing in your head that keeps you from saying things you shouldn't? Yeah, well, I don't have one of those."
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    Originally Posted by KeystoneRunner View Post
    Quite possibly. But don;t underestimate my metabolism. If I go all out tomorrow and eat a buffet for breakfeast, lunch, and dinner, that will just result in me taking a massive dump that night or first thing next morning-if not multiple sessions throughout the day. Food really just passes through me.
    If "Food really just passes through" you, you better get to a doctor immediately.


    I've seen a million posts just like yours; guys complaining they can't gain weight no matter how much they eat. Unless, as above, you have some undiagnosed medical condition, the laws of thermodynamics work the same for everyone. Eat at an actual calorie surplus on a consistent basis, and you (and everyone else) will gain weight.

    One more time; if you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough.
    No brain, no gain.

    You can't out-train bad nutrition.

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    If you guys really want to see the video, I will post it early next week. I did legs this morning so need a couple recovery days.

    Lets understand some things up front....

    1) I said "around 1000lbs" in my original post. My last max attempt a few weeks ago was 955. I didnt have a spotter so I didnt try to go higher. I possibly can.

    2) I am saying this is my 1 rep max, not a comfortable routine weight.

    3) I did this only for personal measure, I dont know what the official competition rules are. I had 18x45lb plates on (810lbs)+2x10 (20lbs) + the machine is labeled as "starting weight 125" which I took to mean the platform alone is 125lbs of resistance so I added that in. If the platform doesnt count, then I stand corrected, I can press 830+lbs, not a bad # either way for a guy thats 170ish.

    I will post the video next week.
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    Originally Posted by KeystoneRunner View Post
    Lets understand some things up front....
    Strong back-pedalling.

    Also LOL @ a 1RM on "Leg Press"

    puh-leeeeese
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    Originally Posted by -=FLEX=- View Post
    Strong back-pedalling.

    Also LOL @ a 1RM on "Leg Press"

    puh-leeeeese
    How is that back peddling? Look at my OP, I said "around 1000" to begin with.

    I dont see what you guys are making a big deal about anyway. As I said, and as I am sure you guys as body builders know, no one cares about leg press anyway. The Squat is the real standard for legs. Leg press machines are easy to stack weight on and press up. I never said it was a big deal, it was a side comment in a conversation about high metabolism guys, and people honed in on it.

    For whatever its worth, my working weight on the leg press is 14 plates (45), of which I can put up easily 5-7x. But after a lot of reading (some of which on this site) I've been focusing more on squats lately.
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