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    professor claims there is no such thing as a safe level of alcohol consumption

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...ol-consumption

    I hear people say that it's not harmful to drink alcohol if you don't drink a lot or that whether it's harmful or not to drink depends on how much you drink. Some even say it's beneficial to drink small amounts. That's why I thought this article was interesting. I wonder if anyone has a good argument against it?
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    drinking in moderate amounts can lower blood pressure, decrease likelyness of cancer, and generally improve your mood. so bad brah.
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    Probably correct. One cigarette is not good for you but it won't kill you. Alcohol is a toxin to your body so its not good for you. One drink won't kill you though.
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    Originally Posted by Mullahz218 View Post
    drinking in moderate amounts can lower blood pressure, decrease likelyness of cancer, and generally improve your mood. so bad brah.
    what's your source for the claim that it can decrease likeliness of cancer? I'm guessing you did not read the article. This is in the article:

    "For all other diseases associated with alcohol there is no evidence of any benefit of low alcohol intake – the risks of accidents, cancer, ulcers etc rise inexorably with intake."
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    Originally Posted by Mullahz218 View Post
    drinking in moderate amounts can lower blood pressure, decrease likelyness of cancer, and generally improve your mood. so bad brah.
    it also boosts test levels with healthy moderation.
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    Originally Posted by Mullahz218 View Post
    drinking in moderate amounts can lower blood pressure, decrease likelyness of cancer, and generally improve your mood. so bad brah.
    I'm sure you can get all of those things without drinking.
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    Originally Posted by Iceman1800 View Post
    Probably correct. One cigarette is not good for you but it won't kill you. Alcohol is a toxin to your body so its not good for you. One drink won't kill you though.
    I've been thinking about this a lot. I read this on wikipedia:

    "A central concept of toxicology is that effects are dose-dependent; even water can lead to water intoxication when taken in too many doses, whereas for even a very toxic substance such as snake venom there is a dose below which there is no detectable toxic effect."

    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicity

    that seems to condradict the article

    I'm confused
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    It really depends. Like another poster has said, moderation is key. However I do not feel that Jack Daniels bourbon is going to help your body any even in small amounts. Now take something like a vinegar that fermented in beer and I think in small amounts once a week or something and it may help something in your body. The fact is, is that alcohol does not destroy brain cells like other harmful things we do (smoke). If you're really worried about your health and want to drink, stick to low proof liqueurs (not liquors) and wine.
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    Interesting read. But honestly my opinion doesn't change, sure alcohol isn't healthy, and the claim that it kills cells may be true. On the other side of things, your body makes thousands if not millions of new cells a day, so that claim i assume is just a theory. Bottom line is people can drink alcohol in moderation and if there are negative effects they're so minimal it wont make a phucking difference in the grand scheme of things. Balance is key.
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    "Although most people do not become addicted to alcohol on their first drink, a small proportion do. As a clinical psychiatrist who has worked with alcoholics for more than 30 years, I have seen many people who have experienced a strong liking of alcohol from their very first exposure and then gone on to become addicted to it. We cannot at present predict who these people will be, so any exposure to alcohol runs the risk of producing addiction in some users."

    Of course this guy would have seen many ppl that liked alcohol. Strong bias says that the people that goes to see him are not healthy to begin with, otherwise they wouldnt have needed therapy. As a random smuck on the street, I can attest to the fact that out of the thousands of people I know, there are less alcholics in my life than there are fingers on my hand. If you have to skew wording to gain favor with the audience instead of giving objective proof, your work means nothing.

    "Alcohol is a toxin that kills cells such as microorganisms, which is why we use it to preserve food and sterilise skin, needles etc. Alcohol kills humans too. A dose only four times as high as the amount that would make blood levels exceed drink-driving limits in the UK can kill. The toxicity of alcohol is worsened because in order for it to be cleared from the body it has to be metabolised to acetaldehyde, an even more toxic substance. Any food or drink contaminated with the amount of acetaldehyde that a unit of alcohol produces would be immediately banned as having an unacceptable health risk."

    I dont see why he has to point out that a higher dose will kill you, like its that easy to do. Long before you even reach 4x the legal limit you as a person would most likely feel sick to sh*t, and probably be puking everything out anyways. There is also a difference between eating something that should not be in your food to begin with, versus a body producing it, then REMOVING IT FROM YOUR SYSTEM.
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    Originally Posted by Maiar View Post
    I'm sure you can get all of those things without drinking.
    this is what I've been thinking

    Also. When people talk about health benefits a lot of times they don't talk about any adverse effects and whether or not the adverse effects outweigh the benefits. Those people that claim moderate amounts of alcohol are beneficial, I wonder if they are talking about a "net effect", in other words the benefits outweigh the adverse effects. OR are they cherrypicking the effects that they like to hear, in other words not weighing pros against cons but simply stating the pros?
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    Originally Posted by RevolutionTheory View Post
    It really depends. Like another poster has said, moderation is key. However I do not feel that Jack Daniels bourbon is going to help your body any even in small amounts. Now take something like a vinegar that fermented in beer and I think in small amounts once a week or something and it may help something in your body. The fact is, is that alcohol does not destroy brain cells like other harmful things we do (smoke). If you're really worried about your health and want to drink, stick to low proof liqueurs (not liquors) and wine.
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    Interesting read. But honestly my opinion doesn't change, sure alcohol isn't healthy, and the claim that it kills cells may be true. On the other side of things, your body makes thousands if not millions of new cells a day, so that claim i assume is just a theory. Bottom line is people can drink alcohol in moderation and if there are negative effects they're so minimal it wont make a phucking difference in the grand scheme of things. Balance is key.
    yeah but I think the point of the article is that it's wrong to claim that moderate consumption of alcohol has no harm to you whatsoever. I think he thinks that we should have a rational approach to all drugs, including alcohol. Which means that if there is harm we recognize that, don't lie to ourselves. Then we can still make a decision to drink or take whatever other recreational drug based on the ground that we think the benefits (e.g. fun, relaxation etc.) outweigh the harm of the drug in question. There is a widespread myth in society about alcohol
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    Originally Posted by eksotaleko View Post
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...ol-consumption

    I hear people say that it's not harmful to drink alcohol if you don't drink a lot or that whether it's harmful or not to drink depends on how much you drink. Some even say it's beneficial to drink small amounts. That's why I thought this article was interesting. I wonder if anyone has a good argument against it?
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    Sunlight and carcinogens in the air we breathe cause cancer too. Though i do drink on occasions and used to be a heavy drinker (1+ gallons.of.whiskey per week) i do not recommend it in anything other than moderation. I'd say the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages... IMO
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    semi fukkd up brah about to hit the sack checkin in. straight the fuk up if you're gona drink ur gona drink
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    http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/tru...nd-muscle.html

    Alcohol is good for you.

    "Moderate alcohol consumption improves insulin sensitivity, lowers triglyceride concentrations and improves glycemic control. Not only in healthy folks, but also in type 2 diabetes. There is no clear consensus on the insulin sensitizing mechanism of alcohol, but one viable explanation may be that alcohol promotes leanness by stimulating AMPK in skeletal muscle. It's not a stretch to assume that this might have favorable effects on nutrient partitioning in the longer term.

    If the effect of alcohol consumption on insulin sensitivity doesn't impress you, then consider the fact that studies have consistently shown that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers. This can be mainly attributed to a lowered risk of cardiovascular disease. However, alcohol also contributes to a healthier and disease-free life by protecting against Alzheimer's disease, metabolic syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis, the common cold, different types of cancers, depression and many other Western diseases. The list goes on and on.

    It can almost be said beyond doubt that moderate alcohol consumption is healthier than complete abstinence. With this in mind, it's strange that the fitness and health community shun alcohol. This irrational attitude seems to be grounded in the beliefs that alcohol is fattening and will hamper muscle gains. So let's take a look at that."
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    Originally Posted by Thompson8 View Post


    You really look like the epitome of health, Professor. Not srs.
    Strong broscience logic, he can be the fattest ugliest f*ck but so long as he has the qualifications & studies to back what he says i'm all ears.
    Inb4 legalisation of drugs deabate derails the OPs post.

    PS Its wine that shows coronary benefits etc & is thought to be due to its high antioxidant levels from what i understand. NOT alcohol for the most part, google ''the french paradox'' &/or ''alcohol & cardiovascular disease''
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    Originally Posted by jwlee7ucla View Post
    "Although most people do not become addicted to alcohol on their first drink, a small proportion do. As a clinical psychiatrist who has worked with alcoholics for more than 30 years, I have seen many people who have experienced a strong liking of alcohol from their very first exposure and then gone on to become addicted to it. We cannot at present predict who these people will be, so any exposure to alcohol runs the risk of producing addiction in some users."

    Of course this guy would have seen many ppl that liked alcohol. Strong bias says that the people that goes to see him are not healthy to begin with, otherwise they wouldnt have needed therapy. As a random smuck on the street, I can attest to the fact that out of the thousands of people I know, there are less alcholics in my life than there are fingers on my hand. If you have to skew wording to gain favor with the audience instead of giving objective proof, your work means nothing.
    I don't think he tries to skew the wording. I think he's aware that it's only 20% or something like that of regular alcohol consumers that become addicted to one degree or another. Also he is not trying to argue for restrictions as far as I know, simply a more rational way of thinking about alcohol as related to other recreational drugs. Professor David Nutt was made famous when the UK government sacked him from his position as chief drugs advisor because he claimed that alcohol and tobacco are more harmful than ecstasy and cannabis. He's kind of my hero and I'm for legalization across the board

    Originally Posted by jwlee7ucla View Post
    "Alcohol is a toxin that kills cells such as microorganisms, which is why we use it to preserve food and sterilise skin, needles etc. Alcohol kills humans too. A dose only four times as high as the amount that would make blood levels exceed drink-driving limits in the UK can kill. The toxicity of alcohol is worsened because in order for it to be cleared from the body it has to be metabolised to acetaldehyde, an even more toxic substance. Any food or drink contaminated with the amount of acetaldehyde that a unit of alcohol produces would be immediately banned as having an unacceptable health risk."

    I dont see why he has to point out that a higher dose will kill you, like its that easy to do. Long before you even reach 4x the legal limit you as a person would most likely feel sick to sh*t, and probably be puking everything out anyways. There is also a difference between eating something that should not be in your food to begin with, versus a body producing it, then REMOVING IT FROM YOUR SYSTEM.
    I think the reason he points out that 4x the legal amount can kill you is because the ratio active dose divided by lethal dose is a measure of toxicity (I think it is that way, not sure). So a higher ratio means a higher toxicity. Alcohol has a very high ratio compared to most other recreational drugs. Only heroin has a higher ratio/higher toxicity as far as I know. And I think he mentions acetaldehyde because it's produced by the body as a result of drinking so drinking alcohol is like drinking acetaldehyde, pretty much. Even though it's produced by the body
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    Honestly I dont give a fuk even if hes right. The truth is that there are many more people who acknowledge that alcohol has health benefits and this dude is just stating his own opinion which mind you isnt that informed because he is a phd in neuroscience vs me a student pursing his masters in cardiovascular physiology.
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    Originally Posted by motiva8 View Post
    Strong broscience logic, he can be the fattest ugliest f*ck but so long as he has the qualifications & studies to back what he says i'm all ears.
    Point out the part where I picked at his actual argument.

    I'll answer it for you - I didn't. I was merely pointing out that it's rich that some overindulging obese individual can preach about 'health'.
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    Originally Posted by Phemar View Post
    http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/tru...nd-muscle.html

    Alcohol is good for you.

    "Moderate alcohol consumption improves insulin sensitivity, lowers triglyceride concentrations and improves glycemic control. Not only in healthy folks, but also in type 2 diabetes. There is no clear consensus on the insulin sensitizing mechanism of alcohol, but one viable explanation may be that alcohol promotes leanness by stimulating AMPK in skeletal muscle. It's not a stretch to assume that this might have favorable effects on nutrient partitioning in the longer term.

    If the effect of alcohol consumption on insulin sensitivity doesn't impress you, then consider the fact that studies have consistently shown that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers. This can be mainly attributed to a lowered risk of cardiovascular disease. However, alcohol also contributes to a healthier and disease-free life by protecting against Alzheimer's disease, metabolic syndrome, rheumatoid arthritis, the common cold, different types of cancers, depression and many other Western diseases. The list goes on and on.

    It can almost be said beyond doubt that moderate alcohol consumption is healthier than complete abstinence. With this in mind, it's strange that the fitness and health community shun alcohol. This irrational attitude seems to be grounded in the beliefs that alcohol is fattening and will hamper muscle gains. So let's take a look at that."
    interesting. thanks.

    as I wrote before, when I see these kinds of claims, and these kinds of lists of advantages I always think to myself

    Is this a list of "net advantages" OR is it merely a list of advantages without taking the disadvantages into account when looking at the whole matter in a bigger context? That is, does it mean the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? A lot of things that have some kind of advantages are still not a good idea to do because the disadvantages outweigh those advantages. I hope I get my point across. "consider the fact that studies have consistently shown that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers." is in my opinion the most interesting part of the text you quoted. That seems to indicate that it's a "net advantage" he's talking about, that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. The fact that he so clearly focuses on the advantages and doesn't talk much about disadvantages makes it clear what his bias is when approaching the subject. Everybody is biased so I'm not saying the text is not interesting, I think the opposite

    edit: I'm also going to read the whole article to see what is not included in the quote, which of course is interesting to know before drawing any conclusions about his ideas
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    Originally Posted by Thompson8 View Post
    Point out the part where I picked at his actual argument.

    I'll answer it for you - I didn't. I was merely pointing out that it's rich that some overindulging obese individual can preach about 'health'.
    He is only arguing for a more sensible approach to the harms of recreational drugs. His ground is pretty much that today's drugs laws are fuked up and should be changed because they are based on ignorance and prejudice and not in any way on science or experience or rational thinking. I agree with him. He says in the article that he drinks alcohol himself and that the claim that any amount of alcohol is harmful is one that is unappealing to him but he wants honesty in the debate. One might think that he doesn't practise what he preaches, but I actually think he does because what he preaches is that we do not fool ourselves but tell the truth that alcohol in any amount has harms (according to him) but one might still decide to drink if one thinks the advantages outweigh the disadvantages
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    are all these studies showing benefits from drinking epidemiological? 99% sure they are.
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    Originally Posted by doyoueveneat View Post
    are all these studies showing benefits from drinking epidemiological? 99% sure they are.
    Those studies, wherever they can be found, might be totally legitimate.

    BUT

    another aspect of this story is how the results of those studies are interpreted, and how they are presented. That is key here, I believe.
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