Ogus & Helms Q&A's

[Ka0s]

My bad, when I said caffeine is just as effective, I had no idea it wasn't. Thanks for clearing it up big guy. Eric is even more evil than I thought. Wow, just wow.

Well... I'm not sure why you would even bring up caffeine... is it even a synthetic derivative of testosterone?

In other news, Eric is a cool guy and I apologize for any negative comments I may have made about him as an individual

[Quelly]

Dude... so your argument is "It's okay because I've used less drugs than people who have used more drugs than I?"
SD is extremely potent lol, 4 weeks of SD will yield results which are >>>>> a mild 12 week injectable cycle (such as T only)
I don't know how much you personally retained or how long it's been or w/e but in my mind anyone who has used in the past has a clear advantage over someone who hasn't.
Not knocking you personally but it just goes to show how stupid of a pursuit "natural" BB'ing is

brb Jay Cutler decides to quit the IFBB and become a natural bodybuilder. 3 Years later shows up on stage at a nice 5'8 215 lbs ripped
does this sound right to you?

For the record I think it's admirable that you are open about your past usage

No I think you misunderstood me, which is probably the root of the conflict I imagine. My post was not to say anything about whether my own or anyone elses use is okay. I wasn't making any sort of judgement call on that.
The crux of my post was to address what seemed to be an argument to attack natural bodybuilding using my experience as the primary driving point. And I'm just not sure I fit the bill, that was what I was saying.

But nonetheless, you will have various levels of advantage or disadvantage across a field of competitors who may or may not have previous banned substance use. It's something the federations try to address by implementing their banned substance list with attached years drug free. It's the attempt to create as level of a playing field as possible.
If you think it's a fruitless attempt and laughable you are very welcome to your opinion.
And just my opinion, but I think you would probably garner more support of your views and agreement without personal attacks. Those tend to just polarize people against your viewpoint and gives them the ammunition to dismiss your arguments regardless of what you're saying.

[Ka0s]

see above post, I realize that I have been going about this the wrong way. But yes, I do not think an even playing field is possible with the exception of requiring competitors to be lifelong natty

Maybe natural bb'ing should be renamed to Haven't used drugs in several years BB'ing, this would clear up a lot of the confusion

[ko300zx]

see above post, I realize that I have been going about this the wrong way. But yes, I do not think an even playing field is possible with the exception of requiring competitors to be lifelong natty

Maybe natural bb'ing should be renamed to Haven't used drugs in several years BB'ing, this would clear up a lot of the confusion

I lol'd then I thought...hmm, you're onto something.

[Quelly]

see above post, I realize that I have been going about this the wrong way. But yes, I do not think an even playing field is possible with the exception of requiring competitors to be lifelong natty

Maybe natural bb'ing should be renamed to Haven't used drugs in several years BB'ing, this would clear up a lot of the confusion

That would not bother me at all. It's kind of like (and let me take a moment to piss off a lot of power lifters here lol) the geared powerlifting records to me. I think the average person has no concept of what a bench shirt or squat suit is, so when a guy says "Yeah I benched 1000lbs in legal competition" their mind is blown and they may get false hope as to what is realistic....or worse look at their own accomlishments (which actually may be quite good raw) and feel discouraged.
I think transparency is the way to go, and some natural feds are better about this than others. While I don't think the ABA is perfect for example, one thing I do like, is that if you go their contest page that lists them all, each show has clearly stated the years drug free requirement on it. And they have a handful of shows that are required to be lifetime drug free as well, but most are 5 years.

[Ka0s]

Honestly people wearing magical underwear that adds 400lbs to their squat is what put me off powerlifting in the first place.

[Iceman1800]

AAS talk, even others using it is not allowed.

[acm807]

lifetime natty bb'er checking in, with unrustled jimmies.



I respect and admire Eric. Haters gonna hate!

[midcoastking33]

AAS talk, even others using it is not allowed.

In after the illuminati

[JasonDB]

In after the illuminati

Some of Low Carb Cory's fans have made similar accusations due to my videos wearing my bath robe drinking my morning coffee (srs).

[ErickStevens]

Honestly people wearing magical underwear that adds 400lbs to their squat is what put me off powerlifting in the first place.

Not sure if srs...

[midcoastking33]

Some of Low Carb Cory's fans have made similar accusations due to my videos wearing my bath robe drinking my morning coffee (srs).

They're jelly because they're floundering on ascension when you've already transcended

[MITCHAPAL00ZA]

well this went exactly as i expected

[TomBremner]

well this went exactly as i expected

not for me, they stayed on topic for like 3 pages. thats pretty rare

[midcoastking33]

Hear that, randy? The winds of shit are blowing

[Leprechauns1021]

Someone got banned for illegal substance talk, and it wasn't Jason???


Smooth move silencing the truth Eric Helms, thanks a lot. Now I will never know how to be more than 5'10 168lbs

[greekmanman]

Yup, that's the way it is. Plus it's nothing new, Eric has to talk about this every other day because all the insecure people. I don't think I've ever seen the people he competes against bring it up, and I'm sure some know. It's always the non-avi ******* trying to justify their own shortcomings. And anyways, like Eric said, you can see all his thoughts on the matter in previous posts. This thread is to appreciate and discuss the information he shares, not to discuss his physique. Make your own thread whining, just don't clutter this one.

*le-sigh*

You're the same kind of person who goes into every Kai Greene thread and mentions the grapefruit incident. Brb no one gives a ****, it's just gets annoying.

Be real here bro, how mad are you at Eric's accomplishments that you feel the need to beat a dead horse to make yourself feel a little better? Like I said, if it was something new we would maybe care, but it's not. He's not competing in lifetime natty competitions, deal with it

My mistake, I can clearly see you aren't in the least bit rustled. I assumed you were one of those jealous types who gets mad.

No one knows who Eric Helms is, thats why its so important to oust him; so everyone finds out someone who no one knows competes within the confines of the rules for his organization. What a cheat.

Pls accept my apologies and continue posting here, your input is held in high regard. I also hate how Eric always downplays his past usage. Everytime he is asked about it, he always deflects and never gives a straight answer. You are a true hero, a crusader of truth and justice. You are the shining light in this sea of darkness and deceit.

lol repped

[Quelly]

Well that was fun

[gymjunki3]

Well that was fun

have you tried the lamb in NZ yet?

[ThatWei]

have you tried the lamb in NZ yet?

By that you mean eat, right?





And not a single non-Aus/NZ knows da fuk i am talking about

[gymjunki3]

By that you mean eat, right?





And not a single non-Aus/NZ knows da fuk i am talking about

No i didnt mean eat.

[snrygo]

You guys are fukkin disgusting.
















In related news:

[gymjunki3]

You guys are fukkin disgusting.
















In related news:

its not us bro its those damm NZers.

[JasonDB]

Someone got banned for illegal substance talk, and it wasn't Jason???


Smooth move silencing the truth Eric Helms, thanks a lot. Now I will never know how to be more than 5'10 168lbs

I've only been banned for said talk once, and it was for telling a teen NOT to do it and going into vast detail. I've seen half a dozen people get banned in the Nut Misc for it that are not me.

Lettuce beef cereal... I've probably been banned more for pr0n or for showing my penor pics in the teen misc than for illegal substance talk.

[lee__d]

I've been mod repped for showing my pen0r. jus sayain

[JasonDB]

I've been mod repped for showing my pen0r. jus sayain

Not all men are equally blessed.

[lee__d]

Not all men are equally blessed.

They were sympathy reps...

[JasonDB]

They were sympathy reps...

I know that feel...