That "Jesus never existed" thread is 100% BS. [SRS]

[BeefStrokinoff]

6000BC bruh. Come at me

[GregariousWolf]

The existence of a 1st century heretical rabbi who was executed by the Romans has some historical evidence. However, the existence of Jesus the man does not prove his divinity.

[BHall1991]

lmao at using bible quotes to prove his existence.

Humpy dumpy existed too

Page 1 Humpy dumpy sat on wall.

Clearly he had to exist and he sat on walls.

[poisyn]

OP you spelled Philippines wrong earlier

[zinc2man]

If the crucifixion took place, it would have been in about 29CE. The four gospels were written no earlier than the period 70 to 90CE and were based on stories previously published using only a combination of the tongue and memory: a classic case of hearsay upon hearsay.

But if we could trust the authors’ ability to relay only hearsay which came from trustworthy sources, perhaps this wouldn’t matter so much. Yet we know virtually nothing about the authors. In fact, since the original texts were anonymous, scholars agree that the gospels probably weren’t written by those with the names attributed to them. What’s more, we know that the church inserted material into the gospels even centuries later. For instance the original gospel of Mark – perhaps significantly – omitted any reference to the resurrection, but ended with Jesus’ death. And the gospels disagree with each other about several matters including the genealogies and Peter’s denial of Jesus. As for factual errors, they are so easy to find that I will mention just two.

First, the gospel writers referred to many prophecies which Jesus supposedly fulfilled. The only problem is that a number of the prophecies hadn’t been made in the first place (Luke 18:31-32, John 2:23, 5:46, 19:36, Mark 8:28, Matthew 2:23).

And how about this? Luke explains that the reason why Jesus was born in Bethlehem was because Joseph and Mary had to return to Joseph’s place of birth. This was due to a decree issued by Emperor Augustus for a census to be taken throughout the Roman world for tax purposes while Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:1-2). Matthew 2 explains that this was while Herod was king. Yet Syria didn’t have a governor called Quirinius when Herod was king. And despite the best endeavours of archeologists and historians, it has proved impossible to find a trace of an imperial census during that period. There was a local one a few years later, but that didn’t require the population to return to their places of birth.

The rest of the New Testament doesn’t provide any evidence for Jesus’ existence, either. The letters which were supposedly written by the disciples Peter and John suffer from the usual problems of forgery, later interpolation and questioned identity. And the authors of the other epistles, including Paul, didn’t claim that they had ever met Jesus.

In fact, it is difficult to know which is the more baffling: the lack of virtually any historical evidence that Jesus ever lived or the apparent readiness of most people to take his existence for granted nevertheless.

Luke (23:44) tells us that during the crucifixion, “It was about the sixth hour and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.” Yet no contemporary writer considered the daytime shrouding of the planet in blackness worth even a passing reference – not even Pliny the Elder or Seneca even though they lived in the right period and they wrote about much lesser events such as eclipses.

And why did no writer consider Herod’s slaying of all the babies of Bethlehem (Matthew 2:16) to be important enough to bother mentioning?

The gospels refer to Jesus’ fame and the multitudes that he drew (Luke 5:15, 19:47, 21:15-23, 23:23, 26:13). Yet, although the religious philosopher Philo and the Jewish historian Justus of Tiberias both lived at the right time, neither of them mentioned him among their voluminous writings. Had Jesus’ fame not reached them?

We know that the Romans were meticulous in their documentation. Yet they have no record of Jesus or his crucifixion.

So is there any evidence that Jesus existed?

Believers often cite Josephus Flavius (37-100CE). Among his enormous works about Jewish history are two short passages about Jesus in Antiquities. But many scholars believe that all mention of Jesus was interpolated centuries later, probably by Eusebius, a Church Father who once proudly argued that it was legitimate to use “fictions” – that is, lies – as a medicine to achieve a greater good. The first time that Flavius’ supposed references to Jesus came to light was when Eusebius claimed to be quoting from them in his own historical works in 324CE.

Other scholars believe that Flavius’ original text probably did refer to Jesus, but that the bold statement that Jesus “is Christ” and the references to the crucifixion were forged. However, even if Flavius did mention Jesus, that would have been in 93CE which is later than possibly all four gospels.

A couple of other writers have left behind even later and vaguer references to Jesus. But crucially there are no writings which refer to Jesus from the time that he supposedly lived.


God could have sent his son to be born anywhere in the world. A good choice would surely have been one of the literate areas of China where the chances of contemporary eyewitness accounts surviving would have been pretty good. Instead we are told that God sent him to a primitive part of the Middle East, an area plagued by numerous previous false Gods and prophets. Perhaps the location explains why the story of Jesus appears to be a cobbled-together collection of features plundered from the many other Middle Eastern religions which preceded it. Take the Sun God Trinity of Atum (father), Horus (son) and Ra (holy spirit). Supporters of Horus called him the light of the world and the good shepherd. He was was born of a virgin and had twelve followers. Sound familiar?

But there are three reasons to believe that Jesus may have existed.

First, Paul’s epistles from about 60CE provide evidence that there was a seedling Christian church by then. Isn’t the most likely explanation for the birth of the church that those who knew Jesus went out and spread his message?

Second, there were at least a dozen or so gospels although only four made their way into what became the Bible. The diversity of the accounts as contained in them is probably evidence of the mythological nature of the story of Jesus. Even so, it is surely quite a leap of faith to believe that these were written even though Jesus hadn’t even existed.

Third, Matthew had to fit Jesus being a Nazarene (as used in Matthew 2:23, person from Nazareth) into the prophecy made to Herod that required him to be born in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:6). As I mentioned above, he did this by fabricating a story about a census. Christopher Hitchens comments that if Jesus hadn’t existed, the gospel writers could have invented someone who hadn’t inconveniently grown up in Nazareth.

[TheRealRustle]

He was a Prophet but not God. Believing God became a man with human attributes/needs is ridiculous. God has no gender and is far beyond what we can imagine with our minds. Christianity has been skewed through the ages by people to serve their own purpose.

[DepressedBrahh]

6000BC bruh. Come at me

“But there were false prophets also among the people, teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
—2nd Peter 2:1


the guy in that video is just another false prophet being used by Satan, trying to deny Jesus Christ, and turn people away from the truth.

He was a Prophet but not God. Believing God became a man with human attributes/needs is ridiculous. God has no gender and is far beyond what we can imagine with our minds. Christianity has been skewed through the ages by people to serve their own purpose.

1 John 4:1-4 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. "


anyone who denies that Jesus is God in the flesh, is an antichrist. they are nothing but false prophets. Muhammed was not from God, he was a false prophet and an antichrist.

[swimmer32]

The vast majority of scholars believe that Jesus existed. There are some who claim he did not exist - but those views are the fringe, from a very small majority.




Whether or not He is the Son of God is a different argument.

[M.Pontting]

How would you explain the similarities to Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, and Mithra? Why dont you believe in them?

inb4 "jesus is the one true savior"



also...if religion is so great, why are u depressed?

[johnsch8]

denying jesu's

LMFAO!haaaaaaahaaaa

[DepressedBrahh]

The vast majority of scholars believe that Jesus existed. There are some who claim he did not exist - but those views are the fringe, from a very small majority.




Whether or not He is the Son of God is a different argument.

that comes down to faith brah, but the eternal destination of you soul is on the line as to whether or not you believe.


Mark 8:29 "And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?..."


John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

[Hinterseer]

Nooo Allah is the true God. It says so in the Qur'an....

[RainingBlood]

Posting in here to give negative reputation to OP later.
Quoting bible passages does not prove anything. Bolding them does not either. He probably did exist, but he was the exact same as many of the other prophets. He was lucky and brainwashed people into believing him.

[DepressedBrahh]

How would you explain the similarities to Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, and Mithra? Why dont you believe in them?

inb4 "jesus is the one true savior"



also...if religion is so great, why are u depressed?

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.html

the article above explains it good, that whole "Jesus is a copy of pagan gods" is just a myth that started recently, it's been disproven.


also, i'm not depressed bro, it's just a name I chose along time ago, that I wish i could change. (srs)

[Hinterseer]

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.html

the article above explains it good, that whole "Jesus is a copy of pagan gods" is just a myth that started recently, it's been disproven.


also, i'm not depressed bro, it's just a name I chose along time ago, that I wish i could change. (srs)

Looks like a trustworthy site with unbiased material. I really like the banner: "the Bible has answers! we'll find them for you."

[b1gsm0ke]

tempted to neg OP for being a butthurt christian *******

let people have their opinions, stop being mad brah

[TheRealRustle]

anyone who denies that Jesus is God in the flesh, is an antichrist. they are nothing but false prophets. Muhammed was not from God, he was a false prophet and an antichrist.

So Muhammad stated that Jesus was also indeed a Prophet, and that they both worshipped the same One true God... the God of Abraham etc... yet everyone is the antichrist except Jesus. ... ok.

This is why so many Christians like you are ridiculed, you don't even understand your own religion but you want to "teach" everyone else. Religion isn't for parrots who read and regurgitate blindly.

[MisterrrM]

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.html

the article above explains it good, that whole "Jesus is a copy of pagan gods" is just a myth that started recently, it's been disproven.


also, i'm not depressed bro, it's just a name I chose along time ago, that I wish i could change. (srs)

How can you say the Bible is the book and hold the truth but say that the Quran is not. There is equal 'evidence' for both and there are different things mentioned in both books.
How can you proof to me that Shiva didn't exist and had 8 arms? Do you believe in that too. It has equal amount of evidence as Jesus

[LowestScum]

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.htmlit's just a name I chose along time ago, that I wish i could change. (srs)

Join Date: January 2012

Also, if you truly believed that should be enough for you. The fact that you made this thread shows how much your jimmies have been rustled.

[Acesopro]

Looks like a trustworthy site with unbiased material. I really like the banner: "the Bible has answers! we'll find them for you."

Ya... not going to take a .org site seriously.

[DepressedBrahh]

So Muhammad stated that Jesus was also indeed a Prophet, and that they both worshipped the same One true God... the God of Abraham etc... yet everyone is the antichrist except Jesus. ... ok.

This is why so many Christians like you are ridiculed, you don't even understand your own religion but you want to "teach" everyone else. Religion isn't for parrots who read and regurgitate blindly.

i don't have religion bro, I have a savior and the word of God (the Bible).


Muhammed DENIES THE DEITY OF Jesus Christ. Jesus was NOT "just a prophet", Jesus IS the Son of God.


1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

the Bible says that Muhammed is a LIAR and a DECIEVER, because he denies that Jesus is God.




Muhammed did NOT worship the God of Abraham, because the God of Abraham IS JESUS.


Islam is a satanic religion that denies Jesus Christ, they do NOT worship the same God.





The Koran clearly states in, The Women 4.171, that God has NO Son.


in sharp contrast, John 3:16 in the Word of God declares that God DOES have a Son, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."


this is PROOF that they DO NOT worship the same God, you are deceiving yourself if you think that they do.



Jesus Christ is Almighty God (John 10:33; Revelation 1:8), the second Person of the Godhead (John 1:1-3,10; Matthew 28:19-20), the Christ (Luke 2:11), and He is the Son of God (John 3:16)! 1st John 4:14 declares, "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world."

Over 1,000,000,000 Muslims deny Jesus Christ as Savior, and are headed straight for Hell.

[DepressedBrahh]

How can you say the Bible is the book and hold the truth but say that the Quran is not. There is equal 'evidence' for both and there are different things mentioned in both books.
How can you proof to me that Shiva didn't exist and had 8 arms? Do you believe in that too. It has equal amount of evidence as Jesus

because there is NO evidences or proofs of the validity of the Quran. whereas the Bible contains much prophecy; the Quran contains no prophecy at all.

whereas the Bible was written by 40 different men (inspired by God), during a 1,500-year time span, from all languages and walks of life; the Quran was authored by ONE man, Muhammad.

from reading the Quran, I realized very quickly that the Quran is a hateful manuscript against Christians and Jews. in sharp contrast, the Word of God teaches that God loves Jews and Gentiles alike; and Christ died for all, offering free salvation to all who come to the Father through the Son to be forgiven of their sins.

Join Date: January 2012

Also, if you truly believed that should be enough for you. The fact that you made this thread shows how much your jimmies have been rustled.

"I exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." -Jude 3


i am contending for the faith, i'm not gonna just sit quietly and let people deny Jesus Christ, i am going to contend for the faith, because that is what God would want.

[eXistenceLies]

I have seen more quotes from the bible in this thread than I have seen in the bible.

[tdnick]

Brb quoting the bible to prove that he existed

[Hinterseer]

Imagine if religious people would put as much time in science and proper education as they did in their religions.

[TheRealRustle]

i don't have religion bro, I have a savior and the word of God (the Bible).

Muhammed DENIES THE DEITY OF Jesus Christ. Jesus was NOT "just a prophet", Jesus IS the Son of God.

1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

the Bible says that Muhammed is a LIAR and a DECIEVER, because he denies that Jesus is God.

Muhammed did NOT worship the God of Abraham, because the God of Abraham IS JESUS.

Islam is a satanic religion that denies Jesus Christ, they do NOT worship the same God.

The Koran clearly states in, The Women 4.171, that God has NO Son.

in sharp contrast, John 3:16 in the Word of God declares that God DOES have a Son, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

this is PROOF that they DO NOT worship the same God, you are deceiving yourself if you think that they do.

Jesus Christ is Almighty God (John 10:33; Revelation 1:8), the second Person of the Godhead (John 1:1-3,10; Matthew 28:19-20), the Christ (Luke 2:11), and He is the Son of God (John 3:16)! 1st John 4:14 declares, "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world."

Over 1,000,000,000 Muslims deny Jesus Christ as Savior, and are headed straight for Hell.

True Jews, Christians and Muslims do worship the same One God.

What you are reciting is bits and pieces of text written and changed throughout time by men.

Since you love scripture so much, I'll post one just to refute yours. This is taken from the Qu'ran.. which unlike the Bible has not been tampered with throughout the ages by people all over the world.


"And to warn those (Jews, Christians, and pagans) who say, "Allah has begotten a son (or offspring or children)."

No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths (i.e. He begot (took) sons and daughters). They utter nothing but a lie."

But alas "there is no compulsion in religion" as the Qu'ran also says, so your views are yours and if you do believe in God you'll be the one who has to answer why you decided to worship a man on earth.

[HueGrection]

Humpy dumpy existed too

Page 1 Humpy dumpy sat on wall.

Humpy Dumpy? Do you even nursery rhyme *******?

[LowestScum]

How does this make you feel, OP?

[brahG]

good thread op ¥¥¥ but u dont need to use bibical Verses to get Your point out in my honest opinion, God exists if you don't believe so you ar delusional and brainwashed. why do u have the need to shove your faith in other ppls throats bro ?

[DepressedBrahh]

True Jews, Christians and Muslims do worship the same One God.

What you are reciting is bits and pieces of text written and changed throughout time by men.

Since you love scripture so much, I'll post one just to refute yours. This is taken from the Qu'ran.. which unlike the Bible has not been tampered with throughout the ages by people all over the world.


"And to warn those (Jews, Christians, and pagans) who say, "Allah has begotten a son (or offspring or children)."

No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths (i.e. He begot (took) sons and daughters). They utter nothing but a lie."

But alas "there is no compulsion in religion" as the Qu'ran also says, so your views are yours and if you do believe in God you'll be the one who has to answer why you decided to worship a man on earth.

True Jews, Christians and Muslims do worship the same One God.

no, we don't. see my post above yours.

Islam says that "Allah" dosen't have a son.

The Bible says that God DOES have a son, Jesus Christ.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."




the Koran says that Allah isn't a part of a trinity. "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three [in a Trinity]: "


the Bible says that God IS a trinity.


1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."





Islam says that Jesus was just a prophet.

the Bible says that Jesus Christ IS God.


"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Revelation 1:8).




Islam and Christians DO NOT worship the same God, sorry bro. if you disagree with this you are deceiving yourself, and blashpheming your God by saying you worship the God of the Bible.




also, Judaism denys that Jesus is the Christ, they are liars and antichrists just like Islam.


1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."