tren and test prop my first cycle

here is me a little while back like around last summer im short like 5'5 probably about 130 there at 8% body fat... quads are my best body part... .. right now im on day 4 of my 500mg a week test prop 75 mg eod tren cycle... we'll see how it goes... ive also done two 1 test transdermal cycles since that pic... basic lifts are
bench 215 x4 ... squat 380 x 10 ... deadlift 290x7 (just started them) probably at 14% bodyfat 145 lbs now trying to put on as much mass as i can till next april then lean out again... dream goal is to be 160 and about 7-8% don't know if it is realistic though.. hopefully this cycle helps we'll see

sorry these are the only two i have pre cycle

[BrownBomber]

Whats your diet looking like?

7 oclock- beverley ultra size in oatmeal .. sometimes an apple
10 oclock - all natural p & j sadwich
12 oclock - i eat out at the local chinese place .. either beef with broccoli or chicken with the sauce... without when cutting
3 oclock - prolab lean mass matrix mrp
6-dinner - many options always some form of protein and carbs
9-protein shake or ultra siz
liver tabs as a supp... and some flax tabs
if i really want to up the calories i may mix some baked pototoes into my blender with some peanut butter and ultra size and chocolate ice cream i did this on my last ph cycle but then stopped afterwords... for no reason .. doesn't taste as bad as it sounds and fills you up...

ok as a sidee not day 4 & 5.. been more quick tempered and agitated quicker than normal and some depression but i know this comes with the territory ill handle it the best i can... mouth seems to be dry alot too need to keep up with the water... no increase in weight or strength yet

day 6 was definetly unique... i think i got the tren pump already... i wasnt that strong but dam when i was in the process of lifting did i feel pumped.... i squatted 265 x 8... which is 15lbs under my max but was way more pumped than normal and felt i could go on forever (like many more sets) ...don't even feel like i lifted now... i went light cause my legs are still a little sore from me being a dumbass and shooting 2 ccs into my right quad on my first injection... also of note... a litttle lazy outside the gym but aggressive in the gym... mild headache through out the day and definetly a short temper the last couple days... things seem like there going to get interesting... i guess i made them right

[user43390fgui8t]

day 6... thats the prop you are feeling... you wont feel the tren till around week 4.

thanks gimp by the way i used your instructions for making the tren .... didn't work out last night so nothing new to report... did inject though... one thing of note i realized that one sometimes loses a cc or so when in the process of injecting so next time i will compensate to make up for the loss my tren inject last night was a little underdosed... also i finaly learned my lesson with prop and split the 1.2 cc's up into four different inject areas.. it was time consuming but in my opinion way worth it ...did glutes for the first time with no problem thats a good inject area... then i tried calves but dam they were very sensative so then i tried pecs instead and it went much better.. im not overly sore in any area so i should be able to train good tonight... its back night so deadlifts... pulldowns... and shrugs will be on the plate im expecting the pump from the deadlifts to be nice

[user43390fgui8t]

Originally posted by buffjerseyguy
thanks gimp by the way i used your instructions for making the tren .... didn't work out last night so nothing new to report... did inject though... one thing of note i realized that one sometimes loses a cc or so when in the process of injecting so next time i will compensate to make up for the loss my tren inject last night was a little underdosed... also i finaly learned my lesson with prop and split the 1.2 cc's up into four different inject areas.. it was time consuming but in my opinion way worth it ...did glutes for the first time with no problem thats a good inject area... then i tried calves but dam they were very sensative so then i tried pecs instead and it went much better.. im not overly sore in any area so i should be able to train good tonight... its back night so deadlifts... pulldowns... and shrugs will be on the plate im expecting the pump from the deadlifts to be nice

Im not sure what you mean when you say that "sometimes you lose a cc or so while in the process of injecting." You should not be losing a drop.

Also if you are injecting 1.2 cc's just shoot it into one injection site. Then rotate sites over the course of a week, and dont come back to that site for 1 week minimum... dont hit 4 sites on one day for only 1.2cc's

Gimp

gimp i respect your opinion alot but i goto disagree with you on this one i don't know if its just the prop i made or what but the time before last night i split the dosage into one bicep injection each side and my arms were killing me for days... i agree on the once a week a body part though .. i lose a cc meaning like if I load 1.2ccs of prop up shoot some into my quad then pull out then i goto get the air out again so and inject somewhere else i push the oil out so i see it coming out of the needle thats how i lose some.... should be ok now with glute and pec shots in addition to quads and biceps and shoulders i should be set..shoulders being my favorite.. my biggest concern now is that i hope i made my tren right lol ... when i made it a couple pills took a while to dissolve so i broke em up with the end of a silver knife when they were dissolving that shouldn't effect it should it? also does does increase strength at all too or does it just blow you up?

[user43390fgui8t]

Originally posted by buffjerseyguy
gimp i respect your opinion alot but i goto disagree with you on this one i don't know if its just the prop i made or what but the time before last night i split the dosage into one bicep injection each side and my arms were killing me for days... i agree on the once a week a body part though .. i lose a cc meaning like if I load 1.2ccs of prop up shoot some into my quad then pull out then i goto get the air out again so and inject somewhere else i push the oil out so i see it coming out of the needle thats how i lose some.... should be ok now with glute and pec shots in addition to quads and biceps and shoulders i should be set..shoulders being my favorite.. my biggest concern now is that i hope i made my tren right lol ... when i made it a couple pills took a while to dissolve so i broke em up with the end of a silver knife when they were dissolving that shouldn't effect it should it? also does does increase strength at all too or does it just blow you up?

yor tren should be fine, the silver knife would have no effect.
When I shoot I can inject 3cc's into glutes and thighs. Thats really all you should need, as with EOD injections it will take 8 days to return to the first injection site. Shooting biceps I wouldnt go over 1.5cc's, same with triceps and delts, but thats just for pain reasons for me... others go higher.

If you are feeling pain, then its your prop. Try injecting slowly, like 1cc every 60seconds. Trust me, if you are doing EOD injections, then one site is better than 2 on an injection day.

why do you say one site is better than two for preservation of injection sites or because of better delivery/absorbtion? dude my prop it pretty painfull i don't mind the first week but when things really start to kick in i need to be able to train is splitting 1.2 ccs of prop up between my two glute and pec muscles that bad?

[user43390fgui8t]

Originally posted by buffjerseyguy
why do you say one site is better than two for preservation of injection sites or because of better delivery/absorbtion? dude my prop it pretty painfull i don't mind the first week but when things really start to kick in i need to be able to train is splitting 1.2 ccs of prop up between my two glute and pec muscles that bad?

I dont see it as "that bad," but I do think its un-necessary.
You are sticking yourself EOD as it is, and having to stick yourself 2x EOD, well you will understand after 8 weeks how your body begins to get sick of being a pin cushon. Since each injection site can hold 3ccs of oil, I would not bother splitting them up in half EOD, but rather like this:
Day/Site
1/R thigh
3/L thigh
5/R glute
7/L glute
9/R pec
11/L pec

Unless you are doing spot injections because you think it will make you grow at that site better, just do the above pattern and repeat... that way you have almost 2 weeks inbetween injection sites to heal.

BTW: if you are doing spot injections for spot growth, know that there isnt much data to support this theory, expecially with tren and prop.

lol im not doing spot injections but if i inject both all the prop and tren into my rigth thigh the way i did the first time i won't be able to walk or train for a week i guess my body is sensative to it

[user43390fgui8t]

do you mix the two in the same syringe? it shouldnt be *that* painful... god if you are that sensitive, dont shoot winny.



you said you were shooting 1.2 cc EOD... how much of each AS is this?

no sorry gimp the 1.2 is just the prop itself i estimated the prop to be 100mg/ml but since i was messy with the mason jars i do 1.2 cc cause i definetly had spillage when i made it and i don't mind the extra test anyhow.. i do 3/4s of a cc of my tren which i estimate is a total of between 80-90 mgs

[user43390fgui8t]

ok so all in all you are injecting just under 2cc's.
mix the prop and the tren together... that should help the pain.
Shoot it slowly into one injection site... the total volume of the injection is not hurting you, its likely the prop.

using one site will help, in that you are not irritating 2 sites... just the one. you will be 1/2 as sore.

im telling you man its too much for me on one spot ive done them mixed and un mixed i need to break it up more as long as it doesn't effect my gains i don't care about breaking ti up... being too sore from an injection especialy like in legs or arms can really effect my lifting for the week

[user43390fgui8t]

ok man....

[meltedMnM]

Tren could kick in the 2nd week(pumps, mass gain), atleast in my experience. The strength gains for me took until the 4th week.
I had a friend who did fina only and when i saw him at the end of his 1st week (hadnt seen him all week) you could definitely tell it had kicked in, his body looked alot bigger than before and very noticeable. I guess everyone is different.

thanks both of you for the insite gonna go train now we'll see how it goes

started off with deadlifts 2x 7 for 285 thats about my regular even when off pump was a little more than normal... then went and did shrugs status quo for them and lat pull downs thast about it pretty average workout... i just feel and look bigger in my own opinion though... no bad temper today too.. thats about it for now tomorrow i will bench. incline, and tries and shoot in my shoulders

[meltedMnM]

Make sure you can control fina it will really shorten the patience level in some people and in others it wont. I become pretty irritable on it.

yes meltedMnM i know it can get bad ive already lost patience like three times... once on my cat.. once on my team lead... and once on my boy lol you can just imagine (im a little crazy like that to begin with).. lucky i didn't do any irreversible damage to any of the relationships now i will definelty keep and eye on it.. nothing a long walk or breath of fresh air can't solve though... anyway woke up this morning and from what i can tell im not that sore may be a sign things are kicking in because i did work out pretty hard today. also of note... i haven't really had the increase in appetite yet that i got with the transdermal 1-test 4 ad products.

ok this workout i had a little more stamina than normal and felt pretty pumped i am definetly holding water though... no strength or appetite increase as of yet... feeling some slite body aches everyonce in a while... going to do two shoulder injects after i shower.... my one question that i have above i still have does test increase your strength too or just blow you up?

[meltedMnM]

I've never read the 4-ad/1-t products increase appetite. And i certainly didnt get that increase when i used them. Maybe it was something else that increased your appetite and you got confused with 1, 4 andro's ability to increase it (boldenone precussor).

oh i definelty got then increased appetite on the 1 test 4 ad and on noraderm... i know boldione is supposed to make you more hungry but something about those pills irrated my stomach and made me not want to eat... ive heard plenty of other storys of increased appetite too... not every chemical works totaly the way it is suppossed to on eveyone

ok squated yesterday and things were status quo no strength gain at all but i did eat crappy yesterday before i squatted... also checked the scale cause i was at my parents and im still at my starting weight ..im a little worried but i know this stuff takes a little while to kick in too

ok i did chest and tries last night and had some pretty good pumps ... strength was irratic i would have a good set (maybe a rep more than normal) then a bad set (average or 1 rep below average) this is usually a sign for me that things are gonna start kicking in (soon every set will be a good one) we'll see i sure hope so and hope i made this stuff right cause my patience is whereing thin i want to feel the big strength increases!!! and dealing with injections and injection problems in general is making me more impatient.... recovery seems pretty good and weight is probably up mabye a lb or so i do feel leaner however.... no increase in appetite at all (its been very average)on ph's this usually happens for me by now.... slight shortness of breath every now and then ...definite low patience and increased aggression i think i had that the third day in.

lifting tonite ill update this later just wanted to mention how dam aggressive/depressed i was this morning godam i wanted to kill someone this **** is crazy i goto be careful not to lose my job im flipped out at two people at work already luckily they don't have much authority hope the workout is just as intense


ok had a good workout last night deadlifted 285 for 2 sets of 8. thats maybe a rep or so more than normal.. threw in an extra set of shrugs then did lat pulldowns 190 which is my average with an extra rep got it for 9. then went up to 200 and got it for six i don't know if thats is good enough...other notes have had the shortness of breath and definetly a reaction to something cause a couple days after my injection site is so itchy it goes away after 3 days or so though ...hopefully my gear isn't contaminated but i guess there is no way to tell im definetly guessing its just a allergic reaction or something... still really aggressive and moody (im thinking about things way too much) ... hope this itchiness stops i may get some cortaid or calamine lotion today for it and am hoping to see the extreme strength gains sometime soon.. who knows

yesterday I squatted and could only get 280 for 5.5 i think my max was on a transdermal noraderm cycle last time of 285 for 9 so right now i am not that pleased with the way things are going but then again the day before i was pretty strong doing curls, and shoulder press not my strongest but stronger than i have been lately.. im not sure if the fina has kicked in yet with its known strength gains which i am hoping for... recovery is definetly up im not even sore the next day... and appetite is down it is definelty hard to sleep at night too ... with these sides and the moodiness i have a feeling the fina is kicking in cause these are known sides with it but where is the huge strength (good side) right now it seems as though the negatives are outweighing the positives cause all the gains seem to have been made off the test prop so far.