Crossfit Vs. Regular Weight Lifting

[bevans100fitnes]

I have also seen it turn many attractive women into ogre beasts. Too light for men.. Sometimes too much trap work for women creates an unaesthetic result.

[IAVA31]

I gave up on trying to talk people out of cultfit a long time ago. Try it, forget periodization, get injured, get rhabdo, and follow a fat leader who talks you out of your hard earned coin. The one positive; you will probably get better at cultfit. Just please dont tell me that you can do my workout better than I can or that I cant do yours as good as you can.

[bevans100fitnes]

I gave up on trying to talk people out of cultfit a long time ago. Try it, forget periodization, get injured, get rhabdo, and follow a fat leader who talks you out of your hard earned coin. The one positive; you will probably get better at cultfit. Just please dont tell me that you can do my workout better than I can or that I cant do yours as good as you can.

You know what the sad thing is is its a decent style of training to improve a bodybuilding routine.... like once per week...not 3 times. Does wonders for conditioning, and being more anaerobically conditioned in the long run leads to a better recovery rate, both outside of the gym, and in between sets... This leads to more sets per workout (in the same time) and quicker recovery (so you can hit the gym more often). Crossfit is like hiit/gymnastics/strongman wrapped into one. These gyms just have to make money so they recommend 4x per week, so they can charge more. Realistically, increases in IGF-1 from lactic acid training last 48 hours, so even if fat loss was the ONLY goal, benefits would still top out at 3x per week.

I had the beginning of rhabdo in the spring... I felt very sick... It was not from crossfit but it was from combining bodybuilding style lifting with a crossfit competitors workout (I worked at the competitors facility, so I had free classes, always), working out every day, alternatnig between the two. I did this with an extreme supplementation protocol and detoxing diet that was super high protein fiber and antioxidant (400g/day protein).

Still had elevate creatinine kinase levels and got sick, but i got my bf % to under 5% for the first time.

If crossfit could somehow take into account overtraining it could be like the ultimate athletic training. If it did take overtraining into account, then it would have to make some workouts straight intervals (lactic acid training) and some workouts heavy lifting with full recovery between sets. Training 2 different energy systems (ATP, glycolytic, or regular cardio) doesn't necessarily have an impact on overtraining the other energy system (example: running 200-400m interval sprints will not affect weight training very much, the energy systems used are so different overtraining on one doesn't necessarily affect the other). But if crossfit did that, it would be exactly the same as top level athletic training: Defranco's gym, westside, poliquin's institute. They all do odd lifts, sled dragging, circuits, etc.... in addition to heavy ass bodybuilding and powerlifting lifts. They just don't OVERDO it, on any one thing. Crossfit overdoes it on glycolytic, interval, lactic acid accumulation training. It is unhealthy to do, unless it in infrequent.

I do intervals too but i stop way short of one hour.

[jwagz]

judging by your excellent avatar OP i think that whatever you are doing is working just fine.

[bevans100fitnes]

judging by your excellent avatar OP i think that whatever you are doing is working just fine.

Yeah. Much respect to those who judge people by results and not by rhetoric being repeated on the board (broscience) (pseudoscience)(beliefs.. not facts)

[kanis999]

No rhetoric necessary:



But we all have to keep in mind everybody's priorities are different. I prioritize appearance through muscle development, leanness, and proportions. Others are way more concerned with things like performance and heart health.

[Aussieguy101]

If you watch the Crossfit games, the top guys are jacked (Rich Froning, dan Bailey etc) but they got their attributes and physiques before Crossfit but because of Crossfit

I do like many elements of crossfit except the cult like nature of crossfitters.

[SteveJunior12]

It depends on what goal you want to achive as per your goal you have to select one of them, both of them have advantages and d isadvantages

[udt123]

I do Cultfit and it werks for me broskies

[DJAuto]

True crossfit requires discipline just like bodybuilding, and I have respect for those folks just as I have respect for my fellow bodybuilders.

[bevans100fitnes]

Yeah, I respect them too.

any negativitiy I have towards them is in response to their cultlike elitist attitude.

I am thinking of competing in the games this year (have never done crossfit). got the idea because I can row 1000m in less than 2:50, putting me within 10 seconds of the florida crossfit recordholder (who i also worked with at the crossfit competitor)... but this was without practice... (a result of my own hiit program that does not include rowers)....

with regards to the top guys being jacked.... The top guys in anything where strength is a factor whatsoever will be jacked, thei jacked genetics is why they are at the top, frequently.

You gotta judge programs by the top guy, and the average joe, not just the top guy.... This is the same concept that causes women to stear towards elipticals, because they don't want to look like that WWE girl Chyna. The top elite athletes will always be freaks.

[bevans100fitnes]

BRIEF SUMMARY:

Crossfit d bag: "Why dont you man up and do crossfit bro"

Me: " I don't do crossfit because I prefer not to overtrain... not because I am scared of it. Here's my hiit routine, give me your mile time and I can tell you the appropriate speed to set the treadmill at for each interval."

crossfit d bag: "You're a pussy... ok though."

2 weeks later

crossfit dbag: "Holy ****, your thing is way harder than crossfit, but way shorter. Like 20 minutes of much higher intensity, followed by a longer period of low intensity (baketball, etc)...

[bevans100fitnes]

Like my article says, they just try to push it too hard in the wrong direction.

I think if they cleaned their facilities up, made it more aesthetic, and dropped the hardcore "cult" stuff they would make more money (through more growth) while still maintaining hardcore fans because the actual routine wouldn't change.

When I compare it to other "group fitness classes" like my article states, it deffinitely dominates...

They just massively overstep their boundaries when they claim pro athletes would benefit from it. Crossfit may seem hardcore but not to a div 1 NCAA college football linebacker

[BioPulse]

I did xfit for a while.
1 instructor, overseeing 12 clients perform a combination of Olympic lifts while demanding incredible intensity lead to injury after injury.
The elitist attitude is laughable.

I just read an article in mens fitness written by Rich Froning, and his response to some dude asking questions was:
Crossfit is the answer!!

Knowing nothing of the dudes goals, crossfit is the answer.
This seems to be the way it goes with xtards.
Xfit is the answer for everythin.
Power lifting? Xfit
Body building? xfit
Sport specific training? xfit
Toilet paper or wipes? xfit
Christ or Mohammad? xfit
Gay or straight? xfit

Cross fit is good, when the individual understand his goals and the limitations of his training, while staying safe and injury free.
The injury free part, along with the fukcwad attitude of the members is what keeps me away.

[CookAndrewB]

ITT we generalize our limited experiences to the world at large.

Stereotyping is awesome. Oh! Anyone have any good ones about blacks, gay men, female drivers... C'mon, don't be shy with your ignorance! You are all clearly among friends here.

Holy crap this place is just as disappointing one day to the next.

[a1davida1]

ITT we generalize our limited experiences to the world at large.

Stereotyping is awesome. Oh! Anyone have any good ones about blacks, gay men, female drivers... C'mon, don't be shy with your ignorance! You are all clearly among friends here.

Holy crap this place is just as disappointing one day to the next.

Black people can run fast.
Gay men are generally fashionable and rarely criminals.
Women drivers are terrible.
Crossfit is a great way to get hurt, overtrain, not reach your goals, and develop a fake unvalidated sense of elitism stemming from their ability to reach aforementioned "goals."

[IAVA31]

^ hilarious

[ramonski]

i think that its a good workout as long as you stop worrying about other people's form and just make sure that YOUR doing all the exercises the proper way

[bevans100fitnes]

Main issue with it is doing olympic lifts, while cardiovascularly taxed= danger, if you have any strength base at all

[rdferguson]

Like I said, I'm asking a general question - Not one that is specific to me. So....

Well then, as general questions, are monkeys better than apricots? Is the sky better than Chicago? Is Niel Armstrong better than Oprah? Is Back To The Future better than my digital camera?

As a general rule, nothing is better than anything until a specific purpose is added to the equation to give context. When the year 2015 arrives, my digital camera might be better for providing an accurate representation of reality, but Back to the Future might be better for providing something worth seeing. "Regular weight lifting" (whatever that is) and crossfit are both better than each other, for different purposes. Crossfit may be better for people in the military or police service. Regular weight lifting may be better for people with aesthetic goals or who are rehabbing injuries.

[WestOz]

[Cdt_Richards]

Well then, as general questions, are monkeys better than apricots? Is the sky better than Chicago? Is Niel Armstrong better than Oprah? Is Back To The Future better than my digital camera?

As a general rule, nothing is better than anything until a specific purpose is added to the equation to give context. When the year 2015 arrives, my digital camera might be better for providing an accurate representation of reality, but Back to the Future might be better for providing something worth seeing. "Regular weight lifting" (whatever that is) and crossfit are both better than each other, for different purposes. Crossfit may be better for people
in the military or police service. Regular weight lifting may be better for people with aesthetic goals or who are rehabbing injuries.

Very true. It's hard to compare two things together that are on opposite side of the spectrum and appeal to certain crowds. Personally, I love crossfit workouts, but because of my shoulder and knee issues from the past, I can't do things like that on a regular basis. They are fun to impliment, however. I love the concept, just not how it is run by "professionals" many times

[CookAndrewB]

Main issue with it is doing olympic lifts, while cardiovascularly taxed= danger, if you have any strength base at all

You do realize that this isn't unique to crossfit though, right? It might be a fair generalized concern to say that lifting weights while in a fatigued state can cause a breakdown in form and requires additional diligence on the part of the lifter in order to avoid injury. Olympic lifts don't really become more dangerous than something like a squat under this kind of protocol. This is probably where you tell me that the "jerking" motions involved in Olympic movements make it a different scenario. Then I point out to you that if you are jerking in an Oly movement you are doing it wrong. Sort of like jerking to start a deadlift, right? Truth is, if you understand what you are doing, this high rep Oly lifting isn't more dangerous than high rep anything.

Virtually every single criticism I've ever heard of for crossfit applies to at least a half dozen other sports... including elitist douchebag attitutes. Guess what, football players at my high school were elitist douches, as were the baseball players at the college I went to my first two years. Ever seen an interview with a top level powerlifter? Ego is so big you can't fit it in a two car garage. Top level bodybuilder? That's practically the definition of self absorbed egotistical nonsense. It happens. Hell, I know armchair quarterbacks who feel a sense of superiority based on the team that they follow. All of the above examples have counter points as well, of course. The problem is that the "down to earth" types are much harder to see in the crowd because they don't care to be noticed.

So, if crossfit has no unique elements that set it apart from virtually any other sport... well, that just makes any criticism "personal." I respect logical and well thought out critiques, but you can't pick and choose a fair criticism. For instance, the idea that crossfit causes injury: so does football, rugby, soccer, hockey, etc. So what makes playing hockey justified and crossfit stupid? Well, that becomes a matter of personal taste right? I don't like hockey, but I don't go around leveling my own ignorant personal issues against it every time I see a hockey thread. If I see someone talk about how awesome hockey is, I keep my mouth shut and don't feel the need to enter into the discussion at every turn.

... Food for thought.

[SquatTilYouDrop]

You do realize that this isn't unique to crossfit though, right? It might be a fair generalized concern to say that lifting weights while in a fatigued state can cause a breakdown in form and requires additional diligence on the part of the lifter in order to avoid injury. Olympic lifts don't really become more dangerous than something like a squat under this kind of protocol. This is probably where you tell me that the "jerking" motions involved in Olympic movements make it a different scenario. Then I point out to you that if you are jerking in an Oly movement you are doing it wrong. Sort of like jerking to start a deadlift, right? Truth is, if you understand what you are doing, this high rep Oly lifting isn't more dangerous than high rep anything.

Virtually every single criticism I've ever heard of for crossfit applies to at least a half dozen other sports... including elitist douchebag attitutes. Guess what, football players at my high school were elitist douches, as were the baseball players at the college I went to my first two years. Ever seen an interview with a top level powerlifter? Ego is so big you can't fit it in a two car garage. Top level bodybuilder? That's practically the definition of self absorbed egotistical nonsense. It happens. Hell, I know armchair quarterbacks who feel a sense of superiority based on the team that they follow. All of the above examples have counter points as well, of course. The problem is that the "down to earth" types are much harder to see in the crowd because they don't care to be noticed.

So, if crossfit has no unique elements that set it apart from virtually any other sport... well, that just makes any criticism "personal." I respect logical and well thought out critiques, but you can't pick and choose a fair criticism. For instance, the idea that crossfit causes injury: so does football, rugby, soccer, hockey, etc. So what makes playing hockey justified and crossfit stupid? Well, that becomes a matter of personal taste right? I don't like hockey, but I don't go around leveling my own ignorant personal issues against it every time I see a hockey thread. If I see someone talk about how awesome hockey is, I keep my mouth shut and don't feel the need to enter into the discussion at every turn.

... Food for thought.

I've done crossfit before cross fit was cross fit.

It's a poor man's version of attempting sh*tty bodybuilding combined with aerobics.

Those who excel in it are mediocre jacks of all trades but masters of none.

And I've never seen powerlifters as arrogant and full of themselves as cross fitters can be.



My lunch was tasty by the way.

[Rasputin4]

If my goals were the get cut and lean then crossfit would be a good way to achieve that goal but basically doing cardio and moderate lifting at the same time.

Since my goals are to gain strength and mass, I lift.

[CookAndrewB]

I've done crossfit before cross fit was cross fit.

Didn't figure you for a hipster, but I'm game. So, you did... what exactly? You did circuit training? You did random workouts? You believed that fitness was more than just how much you could lift or how far you could run?

It's a poor man's version of attempting sh*tty bodybuilding combined with aerobics.

Eh, I won't claim to be a CF expert, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have anything to do with bodybuilding. In fact, I think that is one of the general points that people regularly make around here... that CF workouts aren't good for bodybuilding. CF types tend to point out that they look alright regardless, which then infuriates the BB community claiming that CF guys are built like... yadda yadda. I think we have all read it before, right?

I can't even wrap my head around where you are coming from with all this.

Those who excel in it are mediocre jacks of all trades but masters of none.

Interesting that you should point this out. I would say that this generally describes most great athletes, right? The more you move towards some extreme of human performance, the less capable you become in other areas. Nobody with a 1000lb deadlift will ever also win a marathon... right? But the majority of the great athletes fall into the middle of the spectrum. Good at all kinds of things, but maybe not great at any specific thing. We have whole teams of football, baseball, soccer, hockey players that aren't the strongest or fastest or most flexible and can't run the farthest. But like I have been saying, the criticism of CF isn't unique... it is oddly personal.

And I've never seen powerlifters as arrogant and full of themselves as cross fitters can be.

"can be?" So powerlifters have no potential for arrogance? Again, this looks like you have an axe to grind, it isn't a logical argument.

My lunch was tasty by the way.

Cool, what did you have?

Look, I don't care if you like CF. The only real reason I am having this discussion with you, in particular, is that I generally respect your input around here. So I'm a little confused why this subject has put you off your game.

[Retardo-pex]

... You tell me... Just asking your thoughts buddy

As a conditioning tool yes, as an exclusive workout it might only be the best at preparing you for crossfit games. If you get into it more and it helps you reach your goals go for it. If you like them both the same and can achieve your goals with either then I guess its your call.