Trying to assess my body type?

[Dare81]

According to the official classification at least. I'm around 5ft9 with skinny limbs although i can put on a small amount of muscle with dumbbells. If i am not exercising or working then i easily put on weight around the midriff....a gut. So what is my exact body type?

[BLaaR]

Uhm, normal I would say.

If you don't exercise and eat to much, you will put on weight. If you don't exercise and follow a diet, you may be able to keep your current weight, or even loose a bit here and there.

IMO
Generally males put on fat around the waste first and is usually also the last place to loose fat.

Also I am not sure exactly what you are asking.

[ironwill2008]

According to the official classification at least. I'm around 5ft9 with skinny limbs although i can put on a small amount of muscle with dumbbells. If i am not exercising or working then i easily put on weight around the midriff....a gut. So what is my exact body type?

An average skinny guy. No more, no less.

[Whiskeyjack]

According to the official classification at least. I'm around 5ft9 with skinny limbs although i can put on a small amount of muscle with dumbbells. If i am not exercising or working then i easily put on weight around the midriff....a gut. So what is my exact body type?

A picture would doubtless help.

[Dare81]

I mean't body type as classified like Mesomorph, ectomorph or whatever??

[bigvin73]

According to the official classification at least. I'm around 5ft9 with skinny limbs although i can put on a small amount of muscle with dumbbells. If i am not exercising or working then i easily put on weight around the midriff....a gut. So what is my exact body type?

Lazymorph, fatmorph, skinnyarmmorph, potbelly morph, maybeishouldkiftandnotworryaboutbodymorph, Idk just a few thoughts.
Oh maybe ineedanexcusemorph!

[Whiskeyjack]

I mean't body type as classified like Mesomorph, ectomorph or whatever??

Yes, I think we get that. But without a picture, how can we tell?

[BillReilly]

I mean't body type as classified like Mesomorph, ectomorph or whatever??

In my professional opinion, I'd say "whatever."

[bodyhard]

From what I have read in the past, no one is entirely one over the other but a combination of the 3 with a ratio of 4 as the greatest.

Ecto, Endo Meso respectfully:

I am 3.1.2

[azstrengthcoach]

Very few people are just ecto, meso, endo. Without a pic I'd say a combo of ecto with some endo tendencies in the waist

[acrawlingchaos]

****totypes, as I understand it, are archaic psychiatric terms that relate body type with behavior. For the most part, these have been done away with, though some like Layne Norton still give credence to them.

In the grand scheme of things, it probably won't matter much. Heavy training in a surplus is going to be required any way you look at it.

[Brad805]

If it comes easy to the midsection, probably not a ectomorph, and if fairly skinny not a endomorph either. In reality you are a gottagetatitmorph or a stopfrettingaboutclassificationmorph. It is what it is and you got to work with whats ya got.

[azstrengthcoach]

****totypes, as I understand it, are archaic psychiatric terms that relate body type with behavior. For the most part, these have been done away with, though some like Layne Norton still give credence to them.

In the grand scheme of things, it probably won't matter much. Heavy training in a surplus is going to be required any way you look at it.

They are physiology terms not psychiatry. They describe three basic body types and trends within those body types, but we're never intended to be one size fits all, the media just took it and ran with it.

[acrawlingchaos]

They are physiology terms not psychiatry. They describe three basic body types and trends within those body types, but we're never intended to be one size fits all, the media just took it and ran with it.

"Constitutional psychology is a theory, developed in the 1940s by American psychologist William Herbert Sheldon, associating body types with human temperament types."

****totypes where originally intended to relate physiology with psychology. In the 70s, the idea was adopted by the bodybuilding community, and psychological component was discarded.

http://www.innerexplorations.com/catpsy/t1c4.htm

The medical community is divided on ****totypes relevance.

[azstrengthcoach]

"Constitutional psychology is a theory, developed in the 1940s by American psychologist William Herbert Sheldon, associating body types with human temperament types."

****totypes where originally intended to relate physiology with psychology. In the 70, the idea was adopted by the bodybuilding community, and psychological component was discarded.

http://www.innerexplorations.com/catpsy/t1c4.htm

Yes I know where the terms came from thank you, it's still physiology not psychiatry. Again it was never intended to be a one size fits all box. It refers to phenotypic expression and describes three different basic ****totypes but most of it somewhere in between. I crisply did go to school and grad school for this.

[azstrengthcoach]

Sheldon's "****totypes" and their supposed associated physical traits can be summarized as follows:

Ectomorphic: characterized by long and thin muscles/limbs and low fat storage; usually referred to as slim. Ectomorphs are not predisposed to store fat or build muscle.
Mesomorphic: characterized by medium bones, solid torso, low fat levels, wide shoulders with a narrow waist; usually referred to as muscular. Mesomorphs are predisposed to build muscle but not store fat.
Endomorphic: characterized by increased fat storage, a wide waist and a large bone structure, usually referred to as fat. Endomorphs are predisposed to storing fat.


The idea that these general body-types may correlate with general psychological types did not originate with Sheldon. In general outline, it resembles ideas found, for instance, in the tridosha system of Ayurveda; The Republic, by Plato; and propounded in the twentieth century by George Gurdjieff. In addition, Friedrich Nietzsche writes that "nature ... distinguishes" three different physiological body types, which correspond to a Republic-esque hierarchy.[1]

There is evidence that different physiques carry cultural stereotypes. For example, one study found that endomorphs are likely to be perceived as slow, sloppy, and lazy. Mesomorphs, in contrast, are typically stereotyped as popular and hardworking, whereas ectomorphs are often viewed as intelligent but fearful.[2] Stereotypes of mesomorphs are generally much more favorable than those of endomorphs. Stereotypes of ectomorphs are somewhat mixed.

The three body type descriptions could be modulated by body composition, which can be altered by specific diets and training techniques. In a famine, a person who was once considered an endomorph may begin to instead resemble an ectomorph, while an athletic mesomorph may begin to look more like an endomorph as he or she ages and loses muscle mass.[citation needed]

However, some aspects of the ****totype cannot be changed: muscle and adipose mass may change but the bone structure is a fixed characteristic. In the same way, cultural conditions might mask a tendency to one or another temperament.[citation needed]

[azstrengthcoach]

The psychology refers to the perceptions people have about the ****totypes eg endo morphs are fat an lazy. It's physiology used to explain psychological perceptions.

[acrawlingchaos]

"Dimensions of Temperament. Initially the literature of personality, especially that having to do with specifying human traits, was carefully inspected, and a list of 650 traits was extracted. The list was increased by adding variables derived from the investigator's own observations and then was sharply reduced through combining overlapping dimensions and eliminating those that seemed of no significance. In the end Sheldon and his co-workers had a total of 50 traits that seemed to them to represent all of the specific phenomena that had been dealtwith by the original 650 traits.

Primary Components of Temperament. The results of the correlation analysis revealed three major clusters or groups of traits that included twenty-two of the original fifty items. The first group included traits of relaxation, love of comfort, pleasure indigestion, dependence on social approval, deep sleep, and need of people when troubled. The traits spanned by the second cluster included assertive posture, energetic characteristic, need of exercise, directness of manner, unrestrained voice, quality of seeming older, need of action when troubled.Finally, there was a third group of traits, including restraint in posture, overly fast reaction, sociophobia, inhibited social address, resistance to habit, vocal restraint, poor sleep habits, youthful intentness, need of solitude when troubled.

The Relation of Physique to Behavior (Personality). We have now seen how Sheldon identified what he considered to be the basic components of physique(structure) and temperament (function). Factors Mediating the Physique- Temperament Association. We accept here the existence of a marked relation between measures of physique and measures of important behavioral attributes, and inquire into what has led to this striking congruence. One may reason that an individual who is endowed with a particular type of physique is likely to find certain kinds of responses particularly effective while an individual with another type of physique will find it necessary to...."

http://www.zeepedia.com/read.php?she...logy&b=94&c=18

In the initial testing at Stanford, Sheldon and his team found a correlation between behavior and body type based on 1st hand analyses, not known stereotypes. It was (however) obvious that he based these findings on his own opinion. Either way, the medical community is STILL divided on the matter.





As to your citation above from Wikipedia.... you neglected to add the rest of the article. Allow me.

Modern assessments

Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[3] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions[4][5], some relying on outdated – 1978 or prior – studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery.[6]

Sheldon's photographs of naked Ivy League undergraduates, numbered in the thousands, were taken under the umbrella of a pre-existing program ostensibly evaluating student posture. The photos were in fact collected by Sheldon to provide data for his ideas about ****totypes. However, as "part of a facade or cover-up" the students and schools were told that the photos were taken to evaluate posture.[3]

[Whiskeyjack]

http://www.zeepedia.com/read.php?she...logy&b=94&c=18

In the initial testing at Stanford, Sheldon and his team found a correlation between behavior and body type based on 1st hand analyses, not known stereotypes. It was (however) obvious that he based these findings on his own opinion. Either way, the medical community is STILL divided on the matter.





As to your citation above from Wikipedia.... you neglected to add the rest of the article. Allow me.

Modern assessments

Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[3] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions[4][5], some relying on outdated – 1978 or prior – studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery.[6]

Sheldon's photographs of naked Ivy League undergraduates, numbered in the thousands, were taken under the umbrella of a pre-existing program ostensibly evaluating student posture. The photos were in fact collected by Sheldon to provide data for his ideas about ****totypes. However, as "part of a facade or cover-up" the students and schools were told that the photos were taken to evaluate posture.[3]

On spread.

[bodysven]

a picture..

[1ntensify]

PIcs?

No homer simpson

[azstrengthcoach]

http://www.zeepedia.com/read.php?she...logy&b=94&c=18

In the initial testing at Stanford, Sheldon and his team found a correlation between behavior and body type based on 1st hand analyses, not known stereotypes. It was (however) obvious that he based these findings on his own opinion. Either way, the medical community is STILL divided on the matter.





As to your citation above from Wikipedia.... you neglected to add the rest of the article. Allow me.

Modern assessments

Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[3] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions[4][5], some relying on outdated – 1978 or prior – studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery.[6]

Sheldon's photographs of naked Ivy League undergraduates, numbered in the thousands, were taken under the umbrella of a pre-existing program ostensibly evaluating student posture. The photos were in fact collected by Sheldon to provide data for his ideas about ****totypes. However, as "part of a facade or cover-up" the students and schools were told that the photos were taken to evaluate posture.[3]

I never stated his theories were widely accepted, the point is the ****totypes describe physiological body types, his theory was how these general body types are perceived. Studies show that endomorohic body types are less apt to be hired into leadership roles due to the tendency to perceive them as lazy and or stupid. The three phenotypes are still used to describe three basic body types and physical tendencies associated with them. But scientists have never felt we all fit neatly into those boxes, eg a pure endo, ecto, meso etc

[azstrengthcoach]

http://www.zeepedia.com/read.php?she...logy&b=94&c=18

In the initial testing at Stanford, Sheldon and his team found a correlation between behavior and body type based on 1st hand analyses, not known stereotypes. It was (however) obvious that he based these findings on his own opinion. Either way, the medical community is STILL divided on the matter.





As to your citation above from Wikipedia.... you neglected to add the rest of the article. Allow me.

Modern assessments

Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[3] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions[4][5], some relying on outdated – 1978 or prior – studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery.[6]

Sheldon's photographs of naked Ivy League undergraduates, numbered in the thousands, were taken under the umbrella of a pre-existing program ostensibly evaluating student posture. The photos were in fact collected by Sheldon to provide data for his ideas about ****totypes. However, as "part of a facade or cover-up" the students and schools were told that the photos were taken to evaluate posture.[3]

The idea that these general body-types may correlate with general psychological types did not originate with Sheldon. In general outline, it resembles ideas found, for instance, in the tridosha system of Ayurveda; The Republic, by Plato; and propounded in the twentieth century by George Gurdjieff. In addition, Friedrich Nietzsche writes that "nature ... distinguishes" three different physiological body types, which correspond to a Republic-esque hierarchy.[1]

There is evidence that different physiques carry cultural stereotypes. For example, one study found that endomorphs are likely to be perceived as slow, sloppy, and lazy. Mesomorphs, in contrast, are typically stereotyped as popular and hardworking, whereas ectomorphs are often viewed as intelligent but fearful.[2] Stereotypes of mesomorphs are generally much more favorable than those of endomorphs. Stereotypes of ectomorphs are somewhat mixed.

The three body type descriptions could be modulated by body composition, which can be altered by specific diets and training techniques. In a famine, a person who was once considered an endomorph may begin to instead resemble an ectomorph, while an athletic mesomorph may begin to look more like an endomorph as he or she ages and loses muscle mass.[citation needed]

However, some aspects of the ****totype cannot be changed: muscle and adipose mass may change but the bone structure is a fixed characteristic. In the same way, cultural conditions might mask a tendency to one or another temperament.[citation needed]

The quackery isn't in the body types, it's in the associations Sheldon made in relation to the ****totypes eg his theories on how endomorohic people behave vs mesomorphic. ****totypic division of body types is just a part of biologic anthropology. The dispute is over his psychological findings not the physiology.

[acrawlingchaos]

What is the relevance though? How different are the training and diet styles between the ****totypes? The only relevance I know of is in regards to what sort of DL or Squat is best suited to your skeletal structure.

[azstrengthcoach]

What is the relevance though? How different are the training and diet styles between the ****totypes? The only relevance I know of is in regards to what sort of DL or Squat is best suited to your skeletal structure.

The only real difference is:
Some people tend to be naturally leaner and thinner, some naturally more muscular , and some naturally fatter. That's about it.

[azstrengthcoach]

Squatting technique is more about limb length and mechanics than how fat or thin you are

[acrawlingchaos]

OP... don't worry about your ****totype.

[ArchAngel'73]

OP... don't worry about your ****totype.

This.

[Whiskeyjack]

This.

Yup.
Arch, remember that derailed thread by ZEDX when we got into this subject?
Ha ha.

[ArchAngel'73]

Yup.
Arch, remember that derailed thread by ZEDX when we got into this subject?
Ha ha.

The gif guy?
How could I forget.
groce.

I think nowadays genetic pre-dipositions > ****totype theory

and yes. I've changed my mind since then. Even the young can learn.