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    Animal vs Plant Protein

    Recently, I've been seeing a lot of thrads, articles, discussions regarding plant vs meat protein.
    I also get into arguments with my vegan friend who always tells me that plant-based proton is better than animal-based proton in terms of general health.

    I believe that animal protein breaks down easier and is more efficient and effective source of protein, but does effectiveness outweigh the health concerns in long term?

    I'm 90% certain that this is a repost thread. Link to a good thread would help!

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    Vegans are funny.
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    Originally Posted by pshickey View Post
    Vegans are funny.
    tell me why?
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    Complete vs incomplete proteins
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    Some plant proteins are missing amino acids, I think you can mix and match different plant protein sources to make up for it though?
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    Originally Posted by nflbb View Post
    Some plant proteins are missing amino acids, I think you can mix and match different plant protein sources to make up for it though?
    Yes complementary proteins.

    Complete v incomplete like I said
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    in terms of general health

    plant protein >>>> animal protein

    in terms of building muscle

    animal protein >>>> plant protein


    spirulina is a source of complete proteins

    complementary protein sources must be utilized for a no meat/dairy diet (rice/beans for example)
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    If you are vegan for personal reasons fine because I couldn't care less, but don't makeup crap trying to say its healthy.
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    Originally Posted by 2813308004 View Post
    in terms of general health

    plant protein >>>> animal protein

    in terms of building muscle

    animal protein >>>> plant protein


    spirulina is a source of complete proteins

    complementary protein sources must be utilized for a no meat/dairy diet (rice/beans for example)
    My question is, is it worth lowering my animal consumption and eat more plant for better health?

    Say I consume 150g protein right now and 90% of them are from chicken. Will I be better off by consuming more plant protein in long term? (IE 50% animal, 50% plant)

    I'm not a bodybuilder, but I lift at least 3 times a week, my goal is to get to 175 10%bf (currently 165 at around 15%bf).
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    Originally Posted by carubin View Post
    I also get into arguments with my vegan friend who always tells me that plant-based proton is better than animal-based proton in terms of general health.


    Vegan, vegetarian, omnivore can all be healthy or unhealthy depending on caloric and macro intake. Being an omnivore you have more options so getting your micros isn't as difficult. Vegans have to take supplements because some nutrients can only be found in meat and dairy (ex: Vitamin B12).


    As far as building muscle goes, meat and dairy are the best route. Here are the BCAA's in various foods per 100g.


    Eggs: 2.6g
    Beef: 4.5g
    Chicken: 5.5g
    Cottage Cheese: 2.8g

    Soybeans: 2.0g
    Soy Milk: 1.0g
    Tofu: 1.6g
    Quinoa: 0.6g
    Black Beans: 1.6g
    Chickpeas: 2.3g
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    Complete vs incomplete proteins
    Bit of a misnomer, all plant sources contain essential amino acids. Its just the quantity that varies, animal products have a high amount of all essential amino acids whilst plant proteins may be lacking in some departments. The whole complete vs incomplete protein is even rejected by the person who came up with the concept, but this idea has still stuck.

    I'll assume your friend is going to reference the china study/forks over knives as proof ie the PCRM. That is shady territory & lots of discussion is raised about whether they are pushing an agenda etc.
    ''On a worldwide basis, plant protein foods contribute over 60 percent of the per capita supply of protein, on average. In North America, animal-derived foods contribute about 70 percent of protein sources.''-Wiki (protein nutrient)
    Its also a benefit that from consuming plants you get a s*it ton of other micronutrients & antioxidants etc. But that is beyond the point of the threads discussion.
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    Originally Posted by carubin View Post
    Recently, I've been seeing a lot of thrads, articles, discussions regarding plant vs meat protein.
    I also get into arguments with my vegan friend who always tells me that plant-based proton is better than animal-based proton in terms of general health.

    I believe that animal protein breaks down easier and is more efficient and effective source of protein, but does effectiveness outweigh the health concerns in long term?

    I'm 90% certain that this is a repost thread. Link to a good thread would help!

    Thanks in advance!

    Your vegan friend my be healthy and I hope they are but don't get it twisted...I can tell you working in the medical field most hardcore vegans and vegetarians are not healthy at all. In fact their diets are often just as deficient as people who are just "meat and potatoe" eaters. The reason is it takes a lot of planning, though, time, and work to eat a proper vegan diet....I haven't met one vegan who is willing to put that into it...not one in real life.

    To your question though I don't want to get into the science of it but nothign beats animal protein. Google it, call somone, email your sister, they'll all tell you...nothing beats animal protein and it's damn true.


    That being said I would put my bloodwork and health up against any vegan out there. It doesn't have to be all or none dude. I eat almost 4 cups of kale a day, 2 whole lemons. 1/2 bag of carrots, 1 tomoato, 2 "green superfood" drinks, 3-4 stalks of celery, and 2 apples a day, 150grams of pinneaple, and 280 grams of blueberries a day for my fruits and veggies.

    I also eat over a pound of red meat a day and my bloodwork is the picture of health...I mean from blood pressure to liver values it's all A+ stuff and it's because of my diet. I'd put my by bloodwork against anyone...vegan or not.

    It's about balance, you can eat a ton of meat but take care of yourself and eats your greens!
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    How is plant protein healthier than animal, they contain the same amino acids. Animal just typically has higher amounts of all of them.

    The only proteins that you might be able to make an argument against are ones like gluten that don't have a specific purpose to the body

    Is a low calorie, plant only diet the key to longevity? Possibly, but it's absolutely not worth the misery and restriction IMO
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    Digestibility and biological value of some plant protein like oat, soy, quinoa, wheat germ and corn germ is very high and comparable to animal protein.
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    Originally Posted by midcoastking33 View Post
    How is plant protein healthier than animal, they contain the same amino acids. Animal just typically has higher amounts of all of them.
    Something to do with sulfur/nitrogen (can't remember which) that is higher in animal proteins apparently & can f*ck around with health, i was never that bothered reading into it as a vegan.
    If you're really a*sed checking, google ''animal protein china study'' its the health-bible for vegans to quote, Though like i said its controversial & i've never liked making absolutist health claims of one diet over another. I think the poster above was just generalising when saying P.P>A.P , if anything its all the antioxidants & chit in plants that'd make a difference i'd assume as animal products for the most part suck in some areas of nutrition (fiber/antioxidants etc).

    EDIT***
    Here this was one of the guys who did the study, ''Animal proteins also have a higher concentration of sulphur containing amino acids that get metabolized to acid-generating metabolites. As a result, a slightly lower physiological pH must be corrected and buffers like calcium are used to attenuate these adverse acid effects--to the disadvantage of the host.''
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