"new" craze vs "old" craze

[Johnabis]

I don't think you want to acknowledge the people that say there is a 'change'. i think the majority of people have felt a change. its like out of a 100 ppl 10 are saying its the same and you seem to back them up and say the rest of the 90 are just crazy.

punjabixtasy raises a good point. again a few others like myself switch to berry lemonade craze to taste the new flavor while still having some old grape left. and then switched back to the old grape. I agree with the others that did that as well. we all noticed a huge difference

[DGreekStallion]

punjabixtasy raises a good point. again a few others like myself switch to berry lemonade craze to taste the new flavor while still having some old grape left. and then switched back to the old grape. I agree with the others that did that as well. we all noticed a huge difference

Ditto. I am not mad I am just disappointed with the new flavor [formulation]. It felt like a crappily formulated run of the mill pre-workout. It was missing that magical focus I had with my first bottle of OG Craze... I am talking about the fact I had this near-aggressive, focused attitude in the gym- I just plain got **** done when I lifted.

The new version just feels like any other like I just said--- it's missing the focus i loved with the original Craze.

[Johnabis]

Ditto. I am not mad I am just disappointed with the new flavor [formulation]. It felt like a crappily formulated run of the mill pre-workout. It was missing that magical focus I had with my first bottle of OG Craze... I am talking about the fact I had this near-aggressive, focused attitude in the gym- I just plain got **** done when I lifted.

The new version just feels like any other like I just said--- it's missing the focus i loved with the original Craze.

actually how about new grape versus old grape? did anyone confirm if that's different? I am only comparing the old grape to the new berry lemonade. I read through all 15 pages but not sure if anyone actually compared old grape to new grape.

[DGreekStallion]

tolerance my friend... tolerance..

Wrong.

actually how about new grape versus old grape? did anyone confirm if that's different? I am only comparing the old grape to the new berry lemonade. I read through all 15 pages but not sure if anyone actually compared old grape to new grape.

When TMG was removed as the first ingredient that is when most folks noticed the change in Craze's effectiveness.

[punjabixtasy]

tolerance my friend... tolerance..

its funny how people keep saying this yet no one has an answer to this: what about when people took the 'old craze' day after trying the new flavor and felt focused, aggressive, unstoppable and when they switched back to the NEW flavor the VERY NEXT DAY, all that focus,aggression, etc etc disappeared. no one seems to answer that or have an explanation besides saying "tolerance" or "nothings changed" "get off of craze its very strong, need to cycle" its the same repetitive responses. no one, including their reps, want to awknowledge we all feel/experience the difference. they keep feeding us these fake ass responses like we're supposed to buy in and say "yup we're stupid. we really dont know what we're feeling"

[Sldge]

i dont think you want to acknowledge the people that say there is a 'change'. i think the majority of people have felt a change. its like out of a 100 ppl 10 are saying its the same and you seem to back them up and say the rest of the 90 are just crazy.

I dont know how you can say that we arent acknowledging it, we are all in this thread responding to posts. If we werent acknowledging we wouldnt even come in the thread. We have all tried to answer your questions / concerns but its not what you want to hear. We havent changed the formula and dont want to change the formula (we use it every day). Which is why I posted again that if you are not happy with your tub of Craze, return it.

[chipotleater]

Any preworkouts comparable to craze or anyone know where to buy the old version?

[thedarce]

we should set up a lie detector test for the arnold, 5 questions for matt cahill! would put an end to all of this.

[llahhsoj]

Any preworkouts comparable to craze or anyone know where to buy the old version?

Craze is quite a bit different from the others to be honest.

[thirtyreasons]

I went thro 3 tubs of grape craze earlier this year insane focus and energy. Ordered berry lemonade few months ago still had good workouts but felt no focus like i did with the grape it was a totally different feeling. I just now ordered a tub of grape. Lets see if it lives up to the original. If it does that means the berry lemonade formula is diff from grape. Will chime in a few days

[Sldge]

Because this fits with the topic at hand i wanted to let everyone know that we were made aware of another counterfeit Craze just a couple hours ago. It's grape and from the same lot as the pictures that were posted a couple days ago. It is also coming out of Europe (as far as we know).

Based on some of the info we have now, we don't think this is just Craze either. It's possible there are other brands products being made too.

I can't stress it enough that you should be buying Craze from a reputable retailer.

[KenshinH]

When TMG was removed as the first ingredient that is when most folks noticed the change in Craze's effectiveness.

Wrong.

I had two tubs of the Grape from different lots - one with TMG first, the other with Creatine first - with expiration dates one month apart. The tubs were bought as part of the same order. The effects I got from both were the same awesome effects.

[Mikelh]

Im glad im not the only person that's noticed this.. I definitely had way better effects with the old grape stuff than the Lemonade

[Robboe]

Wrong.

I had two tubs of the Grape from different lots - one with TMG first, the other with Creatine first - with expiration dates one month apart. The tubs were bought as part of the same order. The effects I got from both were the same awesome effects.

You aren't the first to state this in this very thread, along with those with the berry being just as great, but apparently some people won't acknowledge you or your post.

[rndmman]

Internet wisdom suggested that because of the flavorings in the lemonade flavor, a heaping scoop of lemonade is equivalent to a level scoop of grape. Is the Internet right?

[Didrex]

You aren't the first to state this in this very thread, along with those with the berry being just as great, but apparently some people won't acknowledge you or your post.

LOT NUMBERS

You think people are retarded? How do you explain people feel ''normal'' after taking a scoop the ''new'' Craze and they feel like being on ******** after taking a scoop of the ''old'' Craze [the next day]. Tolerance doesn't explain this.

I really hope some day this matter gets resolved. Hopefully in a court of law so these documents get public.