Jones doesn't want "lowest-draw" machida

[gizzmoJ]

I don't think you understand the meaning of "lose-lose". That fight would sell like hot flapjacks and he'd make mad bank, regardless of the outcome.

This.

Anderson Silva vs Jon Jones would be a win-win for Jones, not the other way around. If he won, his status would go through the roof and if he lost, he'd still get a lot of money and be able to say he lost to arguably the GOAT/best P4P fighter today.

[Beasly3333]

I can't believe the idiots at the beginning of the thread telling Jon Jones to quit bitching and get in the cage and fight when he has been the most active champion BY FAR and has been fighting relentlessly since joining the UFC. How retarded can you be, seriously?

[JAGERBOY]

I can't believe the idiots at the beginning of the thread telling Jon Jones to quit bitching and get in the cage and fight when he has been the most active champion BY FAR and has been fighting relentlessly since joining the UFC. How retarded can you be, seriously?

According to MMA forums like this, there are apparently no good fighters and they are all pussys who constantly duck fights. :/

[stoker6913]

This.

Anderson Silva vs Jon Jones would be a win-win for Jones, not the other way around. If he won, his status would go through the roof and if he lost, he'd still get a lot of money and be able to say he lost to arguably the GOAT/best P4P fighter today.

Not to mention that if Jones lost, but continued to dominate in subsequent fights, he would be able to speculate that he lost due to lack of experience and shellshock, rather than skill.

[AWhislyle]

Jon needs to pay for his new Bentley he had to buy guys, give him a break

UFC 128 Pay-per-View buys: 445,000
UFC 135 Pay-per-View buys: 475,000
UFC 140 Pay-per-View buys: 480,000

JON JONES, JON JONES GO CHECK ON THE NUMBERS, GET SOME FANS

[Addthefun123123]

TBH having Machida rematch after only 1 fight in between for Machida makes no sense. The guy lost extremely convincingly and all it does is waste 4+ months of time jones could be training against a new competitor, should he win of course.

[DiamondMaker]

I can't believe the idiots at the beginning of the thread telling Jon Jones to quit bitching and get in the cage and fight when he has been the most active champion BY FAR and has been fighting relentlessly since joining the UFC. How retarded can you be, seriously?

Lol this. Machida will have only defeated one person in the time jones will have defended twice ( if he beats Hendo). Then factoring in that in the first fight jones was in no danger and literally choked machida until he was out. This rematch would be like when they let Franklin rematch silva(except worse since machida only has one win).

I'm a huge machida fan and I do believe he poses the best chance of beating jones, but it's very understandable why jones has no interest.

I really want silva vs jones, but I guess the issue with that fight is probably more from silva's camp then jones. Maybe if jones really won't rematch machida nor move up Dana will throw enough money at silva to make the move.

[Casshern]

Anyone remember when Jones pretended he wanted to go up to HW in a failed attempt to look like a badass? Now he is rejecting fights at LHW.

So the answer is to put his money where his mouth is and go up to HW, where he will die.

[Beasly3333]

Anyone remember when Jones pretended he wanted to go up to HW in a failed attempt to look like a badass? Now he is rejecting fights at LHW.

So the answer is to put his money where his mouth is and go up to HW, where he will die.

yeah totally bro! same with GSP he is a poosy for not going to middleweight to fight anderson!! we've been asking for years!! puss

And den der is Anderson...big poosy who won't fight jon jones at light heavyweight even tho he walks around above 200 pounds!! and then he tries his best to become best friends with Jon Jones just to duck him like a poosy.

Did Josy Aldo come up to face Edgar??? nope...poossy. Aldo is probably bigger but stay down at da poosy weight!

then dominick poo POOZ who hides from aldo at bantamweight cuz he scurred...he loses to Faber at featherweight and then runs away like a poosy to bantamweight

Bendo loses to a featherweight in Edgar but keeps the belt anyways...he is like a tree trunk and prety much same size as GSP but he wont move up..possy

and Josephy Benavidez who sucks and cant beat Dominick Cruz so he drops to flyweight ...that poosy

JDS is only non-poosy in UFC. sad state of MMA rite now

since 2011 Jon poosy Jones has only BEAT Ryan Bader, Shogun Rua(former champ), Rampage Jackson(former champ), Lyoto Machida(former champ) and Rasheed Evans(former champ)...pathetic list. Now he is clearly afraid of facing Lyoto Machida..ducking him obviously cuz he can't beat him. And he won't fight Brock Lesnar either or Cain Velasquez...he is too good at LHW so he needs to man up and fight heavyweight afterall he is already 25 years old and might not get the chance in 3 years when he is 28 years old... the same age as JDS is now.

[Nu_TonE]

Anyone remember when Jones pretended he wanted to go up to HW in a failed attempt to look like a badass? Now he is rejecting fights at LHW.

[Coach McGuirk]

This is what's wrong with UFC these days....the fighters think it's all about them and not the fans. Get your ass in the octogon and fight who is put in front of you, Jon.

while i dont agree with his attitude i believe this is exactly what he is saying... machida sold the least amount of fights which translated into "the fans dont want this fight as much as others"

just because you want to see it does not mean the majority of fans do. hes not putting on fights for just you, its for the most amount of people that want to see it.

[Coach McGuirk]

I can't believe the idiots at the beginning of the thread telling Jon Jones to quit bitching and get in the cage and fight when he has been the most active champion BY FAR and has been fighting relentlessly since joining the UFC. How retarded can you be, seriously?

agreed. ive hated jones and his attitude from the beginning (still do) but people who hate just to hate are even worse.

[gilbertocalzoni]

This is what's wrong with UFC these days....the fighters think it's all about them and not the fans. Get your ass in the octogon and fight who is put in front of you, Jon.

Ehm, Jones doesnt want this because it wont get enough PPV's. Seems like what he sais is exactly in the fans' interest, since that seems to be the fight that the least amount of fans wants to see. Usually I dont like it when fighters say they dont want a fight, but this argument is actually valid. If it was a good PPV, or had Jones not defeated Macida in a convincing fashion already, then things would be different for me. Jones has nothing to prove @ LHW, so just give him fights with new opponents if they make sence and let him prove himself again, or give him fights with old contenders that people want to pay for. Machida is neither of those.

[DiamondXXL]

UFC criticize boxing for having champions pick their opponents yet it happens in the UFC as well. This is why I hate Jon Jones and Anderson Silva, you should fight anyone in your weight class.

[byoushin]

Lyoto might knock me out and I am a pussy.

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[gilbertocalzoni]

UFC criticize boxing for having champions pick their opponents yet it happens in the UFC as well. This is why I hate Jon Jones and Anderson Silva, you should fight anyone in your weight class.

I agree partially. If you take Weidmann vs Silva for instance, then I think Silva should fight, because it actually makes sence in some way. Jones vs Machida doesnt make money and doesnt make sence. I think Jones is right by saying what he does, and that beeing said, he will fight Machida if they give him the fight, and he will finish him again. Maybe just for that, I would want the fight to happen. I wander what the haters will say then.

[JAGERBOY]

UFC criticize boxing for having champions pick their opponents yet it happens in the UFC as well. This is why I hate Jon Jones and Anderson Silva, you should fight anyone in your weight class.

Again there is a difference between a fighter voicing his preferences, and those preferences actually becoming reality. UFC fighters don't have the same pull as boxers who make $30mil per fight. They aren't picking their fights, they are voicing their opinions. If Uncle Dana wants a fight to happen, its happening.

[Clense]

One can make an argument Shogun deserves it before Machida, but it's not really Jones choice either way...

the fact that he mentions a few other names like Rampage and Rashad is absolutely retarded

[BringerOfRain]

Completely dismantled? He was losing convincingly, then slapped on a sub in the 2nd. WTF are you on about?

LOL Wut?


And even if you were right, who cares about the "he was winning until he lost" argument unles a guy is being dominated and lands a lucky punch?

[ftwrestler]

LOL Wut?
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And even if you were right, who cares about the "he was winning until he lost" argument unles a guy is being dominated and lands a lucky punch?

because judges are known for their knowledge on fighting.

[IAmBatman]

lol. Shogun 490,000, Machida 485,000, Rampage 520,000..

What a big ****in difference in buyrate.. Who does he think is going to boost his numbers, Gustaf? Jones doesn't seem like a guy who is good with numbers.

[BringerOfRain]

because judges are known for their knowledge on fighting.

So you're a wrestler and don't know who Jeff Blatnick is? I'd take his opinion more than yours.

[HardGainer82]

Machida gets put to sleep and then beats Ryan Bader of all people and gets another title shot...

Jones got hit title shot by beating Bader.

I agree partially. If you take Weidmann vs Silva for instance, then I think Silva should fight, because it actually makes sence in some way. Jones vs Machida doesnt make money and doesnt make sence. I think Jones is right by saying what he does, and that beeing said, he will fight Machida if they give him the fight, and he will finish him again. Maybe just for that, I would want the fight to happen. I wander what the haters will say then.

Weidman vs Silva does not make sense or money. Especially not money.

LOL Wut?


And even if you were right, who cares about the "he was winning until he lost" argument unles a guy is being dominated and lands a lucky punch?

I know who Blatnick is, he's a wrestler who made the unified rules have a very heavy emphasis on takedowns and top control, among other things. He did a lot for the sport, but his ideas are outdated and he shouldn't still be judging. Or are you defending whoever it was that is a high level professional in the sport of MMA yet has no idea how to spell "guillotine"?

[BringerOfRain]

I'm objecting to the statement that Jones was "losing convincingly"

[HardGainer82]

I'm objecting to the statement that Jones was "losing convincingly"

I'll give you that, but Machida made him look more human than anyone else has. He showed some small holes in JBJ's game that he might be able to to take advantage of, moreso than even Rashad did in five rounds. I think that's the reason he should be given another shot.

[JAGERBOY]

I'll give you that, but Machida made him look more human than anyone else has. He showed some small holes in JBJ's game that he might be able to to take advantage of, moreso than even Rashad did in five rounds. I think that's the reason he should be given another shot.

Well, you're wrong.

[HardGainer82]

Well, you're wrong.

You think Gustafsson should have a title shot. Your opinion isn't needed here.

[JAGERBOY]

You think Gustafsson should have a title shot. Your opinion isn't needed here.

Thats only because there are no other options at LHW, its unfortunate, but its reality.

[HardGainer82]

Thats only because there are no other options at LHW, its unfortunate, but its reality.

Rematches are still options. And better ones than a guy who hasn't earned a shot.

[JAGERBOY]

Rematches are still options. And better ones than a guy who hasn't earned a shot.

Not when the rematches are with fighters who got clearly outclassed or finished, which is the topic at hand now. Maybe you should join the rest of us by reading the thread then come back and post once you're on the same page.

Shogun is 3 fights removed from his fight with Jones. One of those fights he lost. He also got decimated by Jones.
Machida is only 1 fight removed from his fight with Jones. In his last 5 fights including Jones he's 2-3. He got choked unconscious by Jones.