Minimum wage should not exist

[matmil89]

Having a minimum wage does nothing but hurt workers, shareholders, and consumers.

People should get payed what they are worth.

inb4 poverty *******s

[yevgheniy]

Having a minimum wage does nothing but hurt workers, shareholders, and consumers.

People should get payed what they are worth.

inb4 poverty *******s

restaurants will abuse workers at 2$/hr

[matmil89]

restaurants will abuse workers at 2$/hr

If someone is getting paid two dollars an hour they should work at a different restaurant.

[wulpurgis]

i hate how the poor hurt the rich with their selfish "needing to survive".

[greg_84]

Right... and unions should be outlawed... all they've ever done is stick up for the middle class.

[Nakuke]

If someone is getting paid two dollars an hour they should work at a different restaurant.

Have you taken a history course OP? Just wondering.

[yevgheniy]

Right... and unions should be outlawed... all they've ever done is stick up for the middle class.

yeah this. unions is what keeping middle class alive still today. except for gov't positions, they are already good pay, in every nation , in every time, gov't jobs paid good.
brb CNC with union is 25$/hr, without is 12$/hr

[matmil89]

Have you taken a history course OP? Just wondering.

I have taken enough to meet minimum requirements, but as an engineering major, i have to take classes that will ensure that i don't have to bitch about not getting paid enough.

Right... and unions should be outlawed... all they've ever done is stick up for the middle class.

Unions hurt the middle class. Why do you think states in the midwest have terrible unemployment rates while southern states have much better rates. This is because in states without right to work laws, i.e. rustbelt states, it is legal for an employer to say that we will not allow people to work here unless they join this herp derp union.

[builder95]

i hate how the poor hurt the rich with their selfish "needing to survive".

Truer words have never been said.

[BrandonTe]

how bout that blowjob for about $3.50 raise op

[matmil89]

i hate how the poor hurt the rich with their selfish "needing to survive".

It really does not hurt the rich that much. Rich people will be fine no matter what, but it's the poor people that wont be able to find a job.

[JordanMLB]

Paid not payed.

And you're all for child laborers then who will do the work for less and have no unions etc.?

[greg_84]

I have taken enough to meet minimum requirements, but as an engineering major, i have to take classes that will ensure that i don't have to bitch about not getting paid enough.



Unions hurt the middle class. Why do you think states in the midwest have terrible unemployment rates while southern states have much better rates. This is because in states without right to work laws, i.e. rustbelt states, it is legal for an employer to say that we will not allow people to work here unless they join this herp derp union.

Strong knowledge of the economy.. Right to work is BS... BRB laid off good paying job, instead of collecting EI temporarily while looking for anoth job forced to work at McDs for minimum wage, which would now not exist in your world... How is a society that lives off well below living standard wages a good thing? BRB too poor to buy anything (hurts economy) BRB crime rate goes up BRB need more police with tax dollars we aren't paying since we make no money. GTFO

[Distreser]

It also abuses workers who work much harder than the pay they receive. Min wage worker checking in

[Yanis]

If someone is getting paid two dollars an hour they should work at a different restaurant.

Most waitresses get paid around 2 to 4 dollars an hour

[matmil89]

Paid not payed.

And you're all for child laborers then who will do the work for less and have no unions etc.?

If kids were allowed to work we would have a much more skilled populace. The employment rates for young adults in this country, especially minorities, are absolutely terrible compared to the general population. Minimum wage, along with unions, ensures that it will be as difficult as possible for a young person to find a job and earn the necessary experience to find better jobs.

[staplebrah]

Having a minimum wage does nothing but hurt workers, shareholders, and consumers.

People should get payed what they are worth.

inb4 poverty *******s

spend less time worrying about what other people get paid and more time cutting, b*tch tits.

[matt7]

you say that untill you're poor and the only place that will hire you is only offering $2 an hour. inb4, "oh, i'll never be poor". yeah, shiit happens you can't predict.

[DKPSU]

Henry Ford was famous for paying his workers 5$ a day, which was the highest salary at that time. that was an ounce and a quarter of gold at that time, which is $2500 a week with today's exchange rate. They weren't paying income or payroll taxes, there was no minimum wage or unions. We paid the highest wages in the world and produced the best quality, least expensive products. that's only possible because we had the smallest govt, low regulations and low taxes. And if we want to recreate american industry, we have to recreate that environment.

[Dragonslayer5]

Price floors and price ceilings are a form of central economic planning and central economic planning always fails. There are laws in economics just like there are laws in physics. And just like no one can defy the law of gravity, no be can defy economic laws and principles. Not even the Almighty United States of America...

[Boba155]

Henry Ford was famous for paying his workers 5$ a day, which was the highest salary at that time. that was an ounce and a quarter of gold at that time, which is $2500 a week with today's exchange rate. They weren't paying income or payroll taxes, there was no minimum wage or unions. We paid the highest wages in the world and produced the best quality, least expensive products. that's only possible because we had the smallest govt, low regulations and low taxes. And if we want to recreate american industry, we have to recreate that environment.

Someone just watched Peter Schiff

[broski696]

minimum wage laws typically are a inaccurate figure to begin with, atleast here in Canada most minimum wage workers are teens. When addressing poverty level it works much better if plans start with family income and go from there. dont know too much about you US brahs though.

[matmil89]

you say that untill you're poor and the only place that will hire you is only offering $2 an hour. inb4, "oh, i'll never be poor". yeah, shiit happens you can't predict.

The situation you described will be made worse by minimum wage laws, as i would not be legally allowed to work at a place offering $2 an hour. Thus, i will have no chance at getting myself out of poverty.

[TheAdlerian]

Having a minimum wage does nothing but hurt workers, shareholders, and consumers.

People should get payed what they are worth.

inb4 poverty *******s

That's nonsense since "worth" is meaningless.

An argument could be made that fast food people working the late shift or at dinnertime are extremely valuable as the fast food industry makes huge money. The pizza business is multi-billion for instance.

The line worker in almost every business is what makes the business possible, not management, if the business is set up well. So, the lowest type of work should be making huge money and the top manager very little.

[matmil89]

That's nonsense since "worth" is meaningless.

An argument could be made that fast food people working the late shift or at dinnertime are extremely valuable as the fast food industry makes huge money. The pizza business is multi-billion for instance.

The line worker in almost every business is what makes the business possible, not management, if the business is set up well. So, the lowest type of work should be making huge money and the top manager very little.

Fast food people are not valuable because any idiot can do the job. I have worked a good amount of fast food jobs, and it is amazing how you can have the same workers be much more efficient with a good manager as opposed to a bad one. That is why stores will offer higher pay to an efficient manager.

On the other hand, how many people have the skill, drive, and intelligence to become a doctor?

[TheAdlerian]

Fast food people are not valuable because any idiot can do the job. I have worked a good amount of fast food jobs, and it is amazing how you can have the same workers be much more efficient with a good manager as opposed to a bad one. That is why stores will offer higher pay to an efficient manager.

On the other hand, how many people have the skill, drive, and intelligence to become a doctor?

It's not about who can DO the job, but who IS doing the job.

If you have a burger place it doesn't matter who can do it, but who is making the burgers. If no one wanted to do that job, then you would have no business at all. Thus, the burger making is the prime income generator of the burger industry, not some other person and not the owner.

As most people who work know, when the boss is on vacation things don't stop and many times they run better.

The only time what we currently call the "top people" are needed is when they're an artist, designer, etc who is the prime person that creates the product. That is extremely rare in most industries.

[Bramble]

agreed on the you should get paid by how hard you work but it would be abused so bad by dodgy bosses

[super_tactical]

Having a minimum wage does nothing but hurt workers, shareholders, and consumers.

People should get payed what they are worth.

inb4 poverty *******s

Agreed

[sinfiery]

In a perfect economy, no worker will make less than how minimum wage is currently calculated.

In the current progression towards a perfect economy, workers will make less than minimum wage because our society is not yet able to support a perfect capitalistic economy because of social problems.


Soon enough, minimum wage will be a thing of the past but currently there are more pressing problems that precede any positive change removing minimum wage will have on total utility in our economy.

So once you fix unfair social practices, then you can remove minmum wage, then we can live in a ever nearing perfect society.

Soon enough, brotherman.

[skullcrusher149]

Having a minimum wage does nothing but hurt workers, shareholders, and consumers.

People should get payed what they are worth.

inb4 poverty *******s

It's a good idea in theory, but there will always be someone willing to work the same job for much, much less, and thus reduce the value of all workers. Minimum wage ensures that there remains some sort of an equilibrium point between what employers pay, and what employees receive.