Shoulder Routine ?

[scottemory72]

My current split is the following:

Back, Bi, Legs 2 days a week

Chest, Shoulders, Tri 2 days a week

All cardio is done on weight training days.

3 total rest days

Here's my question: I've seen some people doing shoulder workouts with their back workout; should I be doing this? Is there a reason they are working them together?

I've always done them with my chest, is that the wrong day to do them?

[ironwill2008]

My current split is the following:

Back, Bi, Legs 2 days a week

Chest, Shoulders, Tri 2 days a week

All cardio is done on weight training days.

3 total rest days

Here's my question: I've seen some people doing shoulder workouts with their back workout; should I be doing this? Is there a reason they are working them together?

I've always done them with my chest, is that the wrong day to do them?

Yes/no/maybe.



Body part training combinations come in all types and configurations. Every proponent of a particular split setup will have his reasons why he trains as he does.

And each of them would be correct. If there were one "best" way to break down a training split, everybody would all be training exactly the same. They don't.




If your current body part split is providing satisfactory results, then it's 'right.' If this isn't the case for you, try another lineup for a few months and evaluate it's results.

[pastorgbc]

My current split is the following:

Back, Bi, Legs 2 days a week

Chest, Shoulders, Tri 2 days a week

All cardio is done on weight training days.

3 total rest days

Here's my question: I've seen some people doing shoulder workouts with their back workout; should I be doing this? Is there a reason they are working them together?

I've always done them with my chest, is that the wrong day to do them?

There is nothing wrong with doing them with your chest and tris, but you do have to consider the movements your are doing. For instance, when working chest, you probably do some sort of bench pressing movement, maybe two. If you do shoulder presses as well, you are getting a lot of tricep work in. Since you are hitting these bodyparts twice in a week, you may want to tweak back on any triceps work you are doing.

If you are doing your traps on shoulder day, be advised that your traps get work from a lot of back movments as well. Again, depending upon what you are doing, you could basically be hitting your traps four times a week, which can lead to some over-use type problems.

Ray

[magic15]

if your shoulders were lagging I would say give them their own day, or at least start with them as your first group, otherwise if what your doing is working for you, don't overthink it

[bigtallox]

Here's my question: I've seen some people doing shoulder workouts with their back workout; should I be doing this? Is there a reason they are working them together?

I've always done them with my chest, is that the wrong day to do them?

Here's my answer:

For 95% of people on this forum, it's not going to matter one bit how they split up their routine, it's especially true for isolation work. Which is why it seems amazingly weird to me how 95% of the volume of this forum is how to split things up and all the broscience associated with it.

Cheers!

[ntrllftr]

Here's my answer:

For 95% of people on this forum, it's not going to matter one bit how they split up their routine, it's especially true for isolation work. Which is why it seems amazingly weird to me how 95% of the volume of this forum is how to split things up and all the broscience associated with it.

Cheers!

I totally disagree. It makes all the difference in the world to split certain muscle groups (exercises) up into an order that most benefits each individual. No matter what the goal is...
Let's say someone does triceps on Monday... Tuesday they do bench presses. The bench press will not be at full potential due to the triceps recovering from the previous day. As for me... I can not do shoulders then chest one day after another. I must have a day rest between in order to have a 100% effective training session. These things are learned over time.

[mtpockets]

Here's my answer:

For 95% of people on this forum, it's not going to matter one bit how they split up their routine,

Cheers!

Why? Care to elaborate?

[ntrllftr]

Why? Care to elaborate?

I would like to know also. Maybe I'm missing something.

[miamibodybuilder]

i think when it comes to training splits it's really a matter of preference to be honest with you. i think if your current split is working for you and you're making gains theres no reason to switch it up at the moment. i've seen guys do shoulders with back as well but hey if it works for them, who am i to say it wont work. i do one muscle a day and do shoulders all by themselves and that works for me. so whos to tell me it doesnt work? you can try different things and find what works best for you.

[WillyPalmer]

Here's my answer:

For 95% of people on this forum, it's not going to matter one bit how they split up their routine, it's especially true for isolation work. Which is why it seems amazingly weird to me how 95% of the volume of this forum is how to split things up and all the broscience associated with it.

Cheers!

People won't like this but its spot on.

[ntrllftr]

People won't like this but its spot on.

A second person that agrees with that.
Neither give any supportive argument.
Got it!

[WillyPalmer]

A second person that agrees with that.
Neither give any supportive argument.
Got it!

He's wondering if its wrong to do shoulders with chest. wtf will it matter? Do them with calves or neck pulls or butt squeezes or whatever. It won't matter in 95% of the cases. I know you compete somewhat so consideration may be different. If people would focus more on doing proper form compounds which is 90% of your workout and less on their splits/isolation etc... which is at best 10% of the equation, they may actually see results.

[ntrllftr]

He's wondering if its wrong to do shoulders with chest. wtf will it matter? Do them with calves or neck pulls or butt squeezes or whatever. It won't matter in 95% of the cases. I know you compete somewhat so consideration may be different. If people would focus more on doing proper form compounds which is 90% of your workout and less on their splits/isolation etc... which is at best 10% of the equation, they may actually see results.

Nothing is wrong with it. But to say 95% of the people don't need to create a split and go to the gym working out aimlessly is rediculous. No?
As I said... over time a person learns what they can and can't do in their split to make it much more effective for them!

[WillyPalmer]

Nothing is wrong with it. But to say 95% of the people don't need to create a split and go to the gym working out aimlessly is rediculous. No?
As I said... over time a person learns what they can and can't do in their split to make it much more effective for them!

I don't know, I got my best gains when the internet wasn't around and I didn't know what the fck I was doing. I just lifted weights.

[ntrllftr]

I don't know, I got my best gains when the internet wasn't around and I didn't know what the fck I was doing. I just lifted weights.

Me too.... and I still don't know what the fck I'm doin.

[bamaborn67]

Me too.... and I still don't know what the fck I'm doin.

Hey Carl..When you learn what to do pass it on.

[tobymax123]

How about doing rear delts with back & bis (pull day), and do front & outer delts with chest & tris (push day). Of course some exercises hit two or all three delt heads, but you could sort of spread it into push/pull days.

I'm currently doing a dedicated shoulder day because my shoulders were lagging way behind my arms. I've come to like doing a shoulder day.

[Agiyosi]

I've always given shoulders their own day. I will usually go chest/bis, legs, back/tris, off day, then shoulders.

[kimm4]

My split:

shoulders/traps
back/tris
rest
chest/bis
legs

[pvsampson]

^^^I think it's working Kimm!!!

[BLaaR]

I prefer not to do any direct shoulder work. They get pretty banged up doing other movements.

[trev71]

i think when it comes to training splits it's really a matter of preference to be honest with you. i think if your current split is working for you and you're making gains theres no reason to switch it up at the moment. i've seen guys do shoulders with back as well but hey if it works for them, who am i to say it wont work. i do one muscle a day and do shoulders all by themselves and that works for me. so whos to tell me it doesnt work? you can try different things and find what works best for you.

Yea, I agree here...

I have a 5 day split.. absolutely love it.. my shoulders/traps have never been hit so well and responded so much until I dedicated one night per week for them They've shown their thanks

Chest/Calves
Back
Shoulders
Arms
Legs

My rest days are not "scheduled", they end up where they end up... generally speaking it's 5 days on during a 7 day week... Life happens sometimes