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    People who have an easy time staying lean rustle my fukking jimmies like I can't even fukking describe. "Oh I just have to do some cardio for about 4 or 6 weeks and my six pack will come back." yeah yeah, fukk you. Fukk you to hell. I know it's not all genetics but I have to work twice as hard to get half the results.

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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    The president, the Senate and the House are not puppets for the corporations.
    you are right about that .. they are the corporations every single individual in the senate and white house with a position of power
    has invested interests with the corporations , they are on the boards of said corporations , own large amount of stocks , they were or still are CEO's, consultants , advisors...
    dont believe me ??
    Google ALEC

    "The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a 501(c)(3) American organization composed of conservative legislators, businesses and foundations which produces model legislation for state legislatures and promotes free-market and conservative ideas.[2][3][4] According to the organization's website, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ge_Councilthan the distant, bloated federal government in Washington, D.C."[1][5] In a Dec. 2011 article critical of ALEC which appeared in The Nation magazine, John Nichols described ALEC as a “collaboration between multinational corporations and conservative state legislators,"[6] which perhaps shows some of the ambiguity regarding ALEC."

    in short it is a bunch of rich politicians with ties to corporations that use the "free market" excuse to promote their lobbying activities.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...change_Council

    here's a list of the ALEC corporations
    http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.a...QIwG&b=8078765

    and this is without counting non ALEC'S corporations directly tied to our politicians .. see Enron, Halliburton, Monsanto just to name a few
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    Originally Posted by BrotherWolf View Post
    you are right about that .. they are the corporations every single individual in the senate and white house with a position of power
    has invested interests with the corporations , they are on the boards of said corporations , own large amount of stocks , they were or still are CEO's, consultants , advisors...
    dont believe me ??
    Google ALEC

    "The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a 501(c)(3) American organization composed of conservative legislators, businesses and foundations which produces model legislation for state legislatures and promotes free-market and conservative ideas.[2][3][4] According to the organization's website, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ge_Councilthan the distant, bloated federal government in Washington, D.C."[1][5] In a Dec. 2011 article critical of ALEC which appeared in The Nation magazine, John Nichols described ALEC as a “collaboration between multinational corporations and conservative state legislators,"[6] which perhaps shows some of the ambiguity regarding ALEC."

    in short it is a bunch of rich politicians with ties to corporations that use the "free market" excuse to promote their lobbying activities.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...change_Council

    here's a list of the ALEC corporations
    http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.a...QIwG&b=8078765

    and this is without counting non ALEC'S corporations directly tied to our politicians .. see Enron, Halliburton, Monsanto just to name a few
    If you want to really lose every respect and hope for your government, I suggest watching the interview that "60 Minutes" did to nefarious lobbyist Jack Abramoff, to see how this country is routinely bought and sold.
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    Originally Posted by Keltron View Post
    People who have an easy time staying lean rustle my fukking jimmies like I can't even fukking describe. "Oh I just have to do some cardio for about 4 or 6 weeks and my six pack will come back." yeah yeah, fukk you. Fukk you to hell. I know it's not all genetics but I have to work twice as hard to get half the results.

    Sorry, I'm like my coffee today.. dark and bitter lol
    I hear you! It also rustles my jimmies when people say it must be easy for you. Actually no, I've been putting in the hard work, which is why I've got results.

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    Originally Posted by MikeNice81 View Post
    As a Texas politician once told Jim Hightower, "You dance with them what brought ya."

    If you think these companies donated literally billions of dollars to congressional and presidential races and don't expect payback, you may be a bit naive.
    They support candidates who already share their views.

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    Originally Posted by BrotherWolf View Post
    you are right about that .. they are the corporations every single individual in the senate and white house with a position of power
    has invested interests with the corporations , they are on the boards of said corporations , own large amount of stocks , they were or still are CEO's, consultants , advisors...
    dont believe me ??
    Google ALEC

    "The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is a 501(c)(3) American organization composed of conservative legislators, businesses and foundations which produces model legislation for state legislatures and promotes free-market and conservative ideas.[2][3][4] According to the organization's website, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ge_Councilthan the distant, bloated federal government in Washington, D.C."[1][5] In a Dec. 2011 article critical of ALEC which appeared in The Nation magazine, John Nichols described ALEC as a “collaboration between multinational corporations and conservative state legislators,"[6] which perhaps shows some of the ambiguity regarding ALEC."

    in short it is a bunch of rich politicians with ties to corporations that use the "free market" excuse to promote their lobbying activities.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...change_Council

    here's a list of the ALEC corporations
    http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.a...QIwG&b=8078765

    and this is without counting non ALEC'S corporations directly tied to our politicians .. see Enron, Halliburton, Monsanto just to name a few
    I am still going to vote. And I still do not believe that we are all wasting our time because we cannot do anything.

    As in everything there will be many sides. Every person gets to choose what they believe and what they do not.
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    If you want to really lose every respect and hope for your government, I suggest watching the interview that "60 Minutes" did to nefarious lobbyist Jack Abramoff, to see how this country is routinely bought and sold.
    Then I will not be watching this. I have no desire to lose hope. why would I?

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    If corporations controlled everything they wouldn't have elected Obama. Why would they? Being taxed more is bad for business, unless you consider Unions corporations which want to use tax dollars for benefits and pensions.

    I'm not denying that corporations don't throw money at politicians to gain favor, but if they truly directed this country it wouldn't be headed to where it's going.

    I think what directs this country right now is any entity with socialist type agendas, whether it be people, unions, etc.... Taking money from corporations and the "rich" and using it to give things to people who haven't earned it. That is what buys votes. People on disability, food stamps, gov pensions, health care etc... getting all this for free without even paying taxes themselves or at least contributing very little.
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    Originally Posted by SultanaK View Post
    So much this.

    "Proud to be American today."
    "The joy when freedom prevails!"
    "Tears of joy. We love you, Obama!!!"
    "Woke up to amazing news." (from Americans abroad)
    "Wow, I'm a witness to a historical event."

    All pulled from my fb. Too much media created hype and lots of people picking their favorite by one determining factor and turning a blind eye to atrocities.

    Wouldn't happen if U.S. history textbooks in hs weren't filled overly patriotic, bias bull**** about the founding fathers, our American predecessors, U.S. foreign relations, and the voting process.

    Kind of rustles my jimmies, but I'm glad it's over.
    I do not even want to open that can of worms at all.

    Brb lets attack Iraq and Afghanistan, for what exactly. For a CIA trained friend that is living in Pakistan, but we will go and bomb Afghanistan because we need to put our friend as a President there to secure oil lines and opium. Then lets go attack Iraq because they have WMDs. Yeehawwwww lets kill all the brown evil Muslims they attacked America, fukkk yeah.

    I cant stand these ignorant fuking retards that have never left their trailer park or read a book.

    yes jimmis rustled.

    Oh yeah voting for Romney cause he isnt a black Muslim, on top of that lets make up some stupid elections and make the sheep think that their votes actually count. But still we do what we want.
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    Originally Posted by Wyomann View Post
    If corporations controlled everything they wouldn't have elected Obama. Why would they? Being taxed more is bad for business, unless you consider Unions corporations which want to use tax dollars for benefits and pensions.

    I'm not denying that corporations don't throw money at politicians to gain favor, but if they truly directed this country it wouldn't be headed to where it's going.
    I agree. Every big business owner including the one I work for would not put a penny towards Obama's campaign. This begs the question. Who is and why? What is the benefit?

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    Originally Posted by NotBigEnough206 View Post
    I do not even want to open that can of worms at all.

    Brb lets attack Iraq and Afghanistan, for what exactly. For a CIA trained friend that is living in Pakistan, but we will go and bomb Afghanistan because we need to put our friend as a President there to secure oil lines and opium. Then lets go attack Iraq because they have WMDs. Yeehawwwww lets kill all the brown evil Muslims they attacked America, fukkk yeah.

    I cant stand these ignorant fuking retards that have never left their trailer park or read a book.

    yes jimmis rustled.

    Oh yeah voting for Romney cause he isnt a black Muslim.
    You stated yesterday you voted for your "Muslim brother" Is that different?

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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    I agree. Every big business owner including the one I work for would not put a penny towards Obama's campaign. This begs the question. Who is and why? What is the benefit?
    There is proof that this is true. Wall Street journal headline was Obama elected and stocks drop. Which means all those companies predictions on being able to grow and produce looks bleak just based on his re-election.
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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    You stated yesterday you voted for your "Muslim brother" Is that different?
    Excellent point, Penny.

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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    I agree. Every big business owner including the one I work for would not put a penny towards Obama's campaign. This begs the question. Who is and why? What is the benefit?
    My company is as pro Obama as it could be. Our CEO actually told the company we should all vote for Obama. My guess is he's so rich (and I don't mean $250K a year rich, I mean "I have more money than I can think how to spend" rich) that he doesn't care how much he pays for taxes, he's still going to be too rich for his own good. Or maybe all his money comes from capital gain and he doesn't care what happens to income taxes. Or he has really god lawyers that help him take advantage of all loopholes. It's a pretty interesting thing though.
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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    You stated yesterday you voted for your "Muslim brother" Is that different?
    Didnt vote at all or care actually.

    Was just trying to rustle Danas Jimmies for voting for Romney lol.
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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    They support candidates who already share their views.
    So Goldman Sachs believed equally with Obama and Romney?

    The point isn't losing hope or not. It is about learning that the current two party system is flawed and you need to look for alternatives. Reach past the reality chosen for you and research for truth. Work for change and become involved. Learning the truth shouldn't make a person hopeless. It should make them mad enough to get out there and start working to build up real canindates.

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    Originally Posted by MikeNice81 View Post
    So Goldman Sachs believed equally with Obama and Romney?

    The point isn't losing hope or not. It is about learning that the current two party system is flawed and you need to look for alternatives. Reach past the reality chosen for you and research for truth. Work for change and become involved. Learning the truth shouldn't make a person hopeless. It should make them mad enough to get out there and start working to build up real canindates.
    What do you mean real candidate? Mitt Romney had a lifetime of success building up businesses and handling budgets. His qualifications were perfect for getting the economy going and creating jobs.

    He cares about people too, not just businesses. He donates more money to charity each year than Obama, Ryan, or Biden.
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    Originally Posted by MikeNice81 View Post
    So Goldman Sachs believed equally with Obama and Romney?

    The point isn't losing hope or not. It is about learning that the current two party system is flawed and you need to look for alternatives. Reach past the reality chosen for you and research for truth. Work for change and become involved. Learning the truth shouldn't make a person hopeless. It should make them mad enough to get out there and start working to build up real canindates.
    Who are the "real candidates?"

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    Originally Posted by Wyomann View Post
    What do you mean real candidate? Mitt Romney had a lifetime of success building up businesses and handling budgets. His qualifications were perfect for getting the economy going and creating jobs.
    Yeah we thought so too back in Italy when we elected Berlusconi...
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    My company is as pro Obama as it could be. Our CEO actually told the company we should all vote for Obama. My guess is he's so rich (and I don't mean $250K a year rich, I mean "I have more money than I can think how to spend" rich) that he doesn't care how much he pays for taxes, he's still going to be too rich for his own good. Or maybe all his money comes from capital gain and he doesn't care what happens to income taxes. Or he has really god lawyers that help him take advantage of all loopholes. It's a pretty interesting thing though.
    He isn't ok with giving his money away. There is something in it for him. Who knows. Maybe he will shut his business down to sip Mai Tais on the beach while we are all enjoying our "free" shyt.

    I saw the chairman of the board for the company I work for and I'll tell you he was surly about the election results. Corporations are going to be taxed tremendously if Obama succeeds.

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    I dont think the extremely weatlhy worry about their taxes.
    My boss donates Billions of dollars and doesnt give a crap about it, chit recently he got 50+ billions from another dude to give away lol.
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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    He isn't ok with giving his money away. There is something in it for him. Who knows. Maybe he will shut his business down to sip Mai Tais on the beach while we are all enjoying our "free" shyt.

    I saw the chairman of the board for the company I work for and I'll tell you he was surly about the election results. Corporations are going to be taxed tremendously if Obama succeeds.
    You know what the funny thing is? My company needed to open another office, but for tax purposes, instead of opening it here in California, they opened it in Vancouver. But they are all as left wing as they could be. Some $hit just doesn't make sense.
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    I saw this in a local paper and unfortunately it's not the first I've heard of it. I think many companies will be changing employee hours from 40 hrs to 30 hrs per week to pay for the new health care mandates. It's an interesting read and I wonder how often it will popup over the next year or so.

    My company just takes it straight out of our paychecks to pay for it. So that's an alternative to the above situation. I don't think many people would be happy being forced to have $100 taken out of their paycheck either though.

    Cliffs
    Small companies can't provide health insurance for all their employees
    There are now penalties for not providing health care for full time employees, so hours will be cut form 40 to 30 to get around this
    Can't afford to jack up prices etc... to cover the costs to pay for healthcare, so it's either do this or go out of business.
    Companies with more than 50 people have even greater penalties, so business will sold of or cut down to avoid these "larger business" penalties as well.

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    I began by letting them know that they are free to support any candidate they want, and I acknowledged that they may have other reasons to support a different candidate. And I certainly wouldn’t take any action against them if they voted different than me.

    I also admitted that I am not an expert on Obamacare, but I have read a great deal of the ACA, attended webinars and seminars, researched current publications, and sought counsel from my accountants and attorneys.

    I wanted to let my managers know how a re-election of Obama would affect them directly.

    I’d be remiss if Obama won, and then I surprised them with some bad news.

    My premise is that if Obama is re-elected, then Obamacare is almost certainly going to stay in place.

    So I would take immediate action to enable my company to survive.

    I will go out of business if I have to absorb the insurance mandates or fines. My banks won’t let me simply skip their bank payments — the added costs would cause me to violate their debt coverage rules, so they could foreclose and shut me down.

    And, I don’t believe that I can simply jack up my prices in this fragile economy.

    So, if Obama wins:

    I cannot afford to put 341 employees on this plan as will be required, so I must end it before 2013.

    Immediately, managers would have to cut back hours of all employees who work over 30 hours a week. Fines are particularly harsh for “full-time” employees.

    By the end of the year, managers would have to cut 10percent of the hours they schedule for employees. Employees will have to get the same amount of work done in less time. I need to cut my costs so that I can cover the insurance mandates without violating my loan covenants.

    By the end of the year, we would reduce the size of monthly, quarterly and annual profit sharing bonuses to all managers and their assistants. Again, this is an effort to cut costs.

    By 2014, 2/3 of my stores will be sold off. We must try to cut staff below 50 employees so that we can avoid the “large employer” penalties.

    Many managers will lose their jobs as stores are sold.

    There will be less ability to grow into career jobs with high wages.

    I have spoken with several other business owners who are preparing for this same strategy. My managers and employees won’t gain much by leaving my employment, because they’ll find the same situation everywhere."
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    Originally Posted by NotBigEnough206 View Post
    Didnt vote at all or care actually.

    Was just trying to rustle Danas Jimmies for voting for Romney lol.
    You do not care where your paycheck ends up? You want to work and however much the government decided to give you back is fine?

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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    You know what the funny thing is? My company needed to open another office, but for tax purposes, instead of opening it here in California, they opened it in Vancouver. But they are all as left wing as they could be. Some $hit just doesn't make sense.
    Do as I say not as I do? That goes against them expressing to vote for Obama. Obama's campaign was based on Robin Hood. That doesn't make any sense.

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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    You do not care where your paycheck ends up? You want to work and however much the government decided to give you back is fine?
    If some of the money goes to help those that need it, then I care and its fine. If the money goes to invade illegal wars and attack people we have absolutely no reason attacking and murdering, then I do not want them taking my money.

    Its very simple for me. And to think Romney was talking about attacking Iran too, whats going to happen when we come back with our tails between our legs like we did in Vietnam. You attack enough countries and people the hammer comes down on you, what happened to the Germans Nazis?

    Trillions of dollars wasted on wars, and what have we acheived, that is trillions, not billions, trillions that could have helped this country greatly, schools, social structure, infrastracture etc etc.

    Im tired of driving on ****ty roads and hoping my wheels dont crack.
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    Originally Posted by NotBigEnough206 View Post
    If some of the money goes to help those that need it, then I care and its fine. If the money goes to invade illegal wars and attack people we have absolutely no reason attacking and murdering, then I do not want them taking my money.

    Its very simple for me. And to think Romney was talking about attacking Iran too, whats going to happen when we come back with our tails between our legs like we did in Vietnam. You attack enough countries and people the hammer comes down on you, what happened to the Germans Nazis?

    Trillions of dollars wasted on wars, and what have we acheived, that is trillions, not billions, trillions that could have helped this country greatly, schools, social structure, infrastracture etc etc.

    Im tired of driving on ****ty roads and hoping my wheels dont crack.
    Your post says you do care yet you do not vote. If you feel the war is unnecessary then why not vote against the appropriate candidate?

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    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    Your post says you do care yet you do not vote. If you feel the war is unnecessary then why not vote against the appropriate candidate?
    Because the guys up top will do what they want, they could care less about my vote, or who I vote for. It wont make any difference at all.
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    Originally Posted by Wyomann View Post
    I saw this in a local paper and unfortunately it's not the first I've heard of it. I think many companies will be changing employee hours from 40 hrs to 30 hrs per week to pay for the new health care mandates. It's an interesting read and I wonder how often it will popup over the next year or so.

    My company just takes it straight out of our paychecks to pay for it. So that's an alternative to the above situation. I don't think many people would be happy being forced to have $100 taken out of their paycheck either though.

    Cliffs
    Small companies can't provide health insurance for all their employees
    There are now penalties for not providing health care for full time employees, so hours will be cut form 40 to 30 to get around this
    Can't afford to jack up prices etc... to cover the costs to pay for healthcare, so it's either do this or go out of business.
    Companies with more than 50 people have even greater penalties, so business will sold of or cut down to avoid these "larger business" penalties as well.

    Long
    "I had a difficult conversation with my restaurant managers this week.

    I began by letting them know that they are free to support any candidate they want, and I acknowledged that they may have other reasons to support a different candidate. And I certainly wouldn’t take any action against them if they voted different than me.

    I also admitted that I am not an expert on Obamacare, but I have read a great deal of the ACA, attended webinars and seminars, researched current publications, and sought counsel from my accountants and attorneys.

    I wanted to let my managers know how a re-election of Obama would affect them directly.

    I’d be remiss if Obama won, and then I surprised them with some bad news.

    My premise is that if Obama is re-elected, then Obamacare is almost certainly going to stay in place.

    So I would take immediate action to enable my company to survive.

    I will go out of business if I have to absorb the insurance mandates or fines. My banks won’t let me simply skip their bank payments — the added costs would cause me to violate their debt coverage rules, so they could foreclose and shut me down.

    And, I don’t believe that I can simply jack up my prices in this fragile economy.

    So, if Obama wins:

    I cannot afford to put 341 employees on this plan as will be required, so I must end it before 2013.

    Immediately, managers would have to cut back hours of all employees who work over 30 hours a week. Fines are particularly harsh for “full-time” employees.

    By the end of the year, managers would have to cut 10percent of the hours they schedule for employees. Employees will have to get the same amount of work done in less time. I need to cut my costs so that I can cover the insurance mandates without violating my loan covenants.

    By the end of the year, we would reduce the size of monthly, quarterly and annual profit sharing bonuses to all managers and their assistants. Again, this is an effort to cut costs.

    By 2014, 2/3 of my stores will be sold off. We must try to cut staff below 50 employees so that we can avoid the “large employer” penalties.

    Many managers will lose their jobs as stores are sold.

    There will be less ability to grow into career jobs with high wages.

    I have spoken with several other business owners who are preparing for this same strategy. My managers and employees won’t gain much by leaving my employment, because they’ll find the same situation everywhere."
    That has already been happening in my area for the past year or so. I live in a heavy industrial area where people used to work 60 hours per week, now most are 30 hours or less and hurting trying to make ends meet. The sad fact is that at 30 hours per week they make to much for any government assisstance, but still cannot pay their bills. My house has lost over 125,000 dollars in property value over the past four years because so many around me have been foreclosed on. The unemployment rate here is over 12 percent and will rise dramatically over the next term.
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