6'2" 135lbs No Joke

NYC Fitness · 02-14-2007, 11:47 AM

My cousin is 6'2" 135lbs and 18 years old. He had crohns disease for most of life and that is why he is so skinny. He no longer has crohns. I was wondering what kind of workout program I can start for him as well as what kind of diet he should be on the gain appox 15lbs of muscle before he leaves for college. Should he start taking some weight gainers? Eat like crazy? In my opinion he is beyond a novice, since he never did any kind of sports or anything athletic, so I do not want him to start on something too taxing.

all pro · 02-14-2007, 11:51 AM

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224

k9feces · 02-14-2007, 11:58 AM

Your cousin should se a doctor and get some steroids.

kingfish3 · 02-14-2007, 12:40 PM

mentzer hit would be perfect for him instead of shoving workouts in his face and making him overtrain very easily. He needs to lift, recover from the lift and grow. Up not just his protein, but he needs high carbs, and even high fat

jason_bh · 02-14-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfish3

mentzer hit would be perfect for him instead of shoving workouts in his face and making him overtrain very easily. He needs to lift, recover from the lift and grow. Up not just his protein, but he needs high carbs, and even high fat

And we're the ones shoving workouts down his face?

kingfish3 · 02-14-2007, 12:48 PM

no lifting multiple days in a row would be overtraining for him and 2 days a week every week would be a good workout for him. Mentzer hit was tailor made for the natural bodybuilder and people with less than average genes. Not the other way around..

JUSA · 02-14-2007, 12:51 PM

OP, do yourself a favor and ignore Kingfish.

jason_bh · 02-14-2007, 12:54 PM

x2 what Johnny said.

I was going to try and argue with what KF said, but then I realized that he his just a HIT troll making ludicrous statements trying to get us agitated.

kingfish3 · 02-14-2007, 12:56 PM

so you want him to lift 5 6 days a week now and do multiple sets and break his body down and not grow , give me a break. Im not a hit troll but some in here are volume trolls.

jason_bh · 02-14-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfish3

so you want him to lift 5 6 days a week now and do multiple sets and break his body down and not grow , give me a break. Im not a hit troll but some in here are volume trolls.

Be mindful of this rule KF.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...90&postcount=3

I realize that you have a mission. But you can accomplish it by not posting and making the same statement that HIT is the only way.

kingfish3 · 02-14-2007, 01:03 PM

bet you can't find one post of me saying hit is the only way, its the best way, and best way is the best way to workout. Congrats to the miami dolphins as they now have a hit guy as their new weightlifting coach

mjw8204 · 02-14-2007, 01:06 PM

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Be mindful of this rule KF.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...90&postcount=3

He's broken that rule, and others, many times over. I report it when I see it but nothing is ever done about him. I suggest reporting him too when you see him breaking forum rules.

To the OP, you might want to take a look at Iron Addict's hardgainer routine. It would probably be a good thing to start him out on. It's the first routine listed here: http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3001

jason_bh · 02-14-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfish3

bet you can't find one post of me saying hit is the only way, its the best way, and best way is the best way to workout. Congrats to the miami dolphins as they now have a hit guy as their new weightlifting coach

This quote is basically saying just that:

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Originally Posted by kingfish3

mentzer hit would be perfect for him instead of shoving workouts in his face and making him overtrain very easily.

And here is another one:

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Originally Posted by kingfish3

that workout makes no sense and is overtraining. Why would you do multiple sets with a certain weight for same reps a a heavier weight you are doing after those sets

TexAss · 02-14-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mjw8204

He's broken that rule, and others, many times over. I report it when I see it but nothing is ever done about him. I suggest reporting him too when you see him breaking forum rules.

To the OP, you might want to take a look at Iron Addict's hardgainer routine. It would probably be a good thing to start him out on. It's the first routine listed here: http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3001

I second this.

And to take it a step further, if he has money to spend on training, hire Iron Addict.

JUSA · 02-14-2007, 01:26 PM

NYC Fitness,

I think your cousin will probably do well to just get in the gym and hit the weights. Pick a program, it probably doesn't matter (although, I would personally recommend Rippetoe's Starting Strength). What he needs to really concentrate on is eating every 1-1/2 to 3 hours. I would make a b-line to the nutrition section and read up there.

As for Kingfish. I've reported him and I suggest everyone else do it, too. If enough people altert the mods to this troll, the problem will be resolved. Until then, I wouldn't respond to him. Trolls feed off that.

jason_bh · 02-14-2007, 01:39 PM

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As for Kingfish. I've reported him and I suggest everyone else do it, too. If enough people altert the mods to this troll, the problem will be resolved. Until then, I wouldn't respond to him. Trolls feed off that.

Did you just report the link or PM a mod? You need to PM a mod (BPP for this section I believe) in order for them to do something about it.

NYC Fitness · 02-15-2007, 08:00 AM

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NYC Fitness,

I think your cousin will probably do well to just get in the gym and hit the weights. Pick a program, it probably doesn't matter (although, I would personally recommend Rippetoe's Starting Strength). What he needs to really concentrate on is eating every 1-1/2 to 3 hours. I would make a b-line to the nutrition section and read up there.

As for Kingfish. I've reported him and I suggest everyone else do it, too. If enough people altert the mods to this troll, the problem will be resolved. Until then, I wouldn't respond to him. Trolls feed off that.

I was thinking of starting him on starting strength too. However he is so fragile and brittle in my opinion the program starts with exercises that can quite taxing on the body, especially one that has never seen any kind of physical strain put upon it. I cannot imagine him doing squats and deadlifts because his bone structure is so small. I do not want him to hurt himself by pulling a muscle, spraining something, plus a lot of those exercises require solid technique and balance.

Would it be wrong to start him super slow, say pushups, situp, light weight curls, arm extensions, and maybe some machines for chest, back, and legs? The reason I ask, is because he is skin and bone, and at least this way he gets a feel for weight bearing exercises on his muscles and joints? Then after a few weeks of some "very basic training", start on starting strength?

TexAss · 02-15-2007, 08:04 AM

Yeah, I'd start out with BW only stuff for a bit.

Pullups, pushups, situps, bw squats, fatman pullups, maybe light db shoulder presses. This will be a great start.

Once he acclimates to this then you can introduce some light weights.

BTW, I'd have him do the BW squats with a broomstick or something on the shoulders like a real squat. That way you can get his form perfect before he ever touches real weight.

bluedot · 02-15-2007, 08:27 AM

I didn't know Chron's could be cured. Is he on a med that's put him in remission or what? A friend's father recently died due to complications of Chron's and I've learned a bit about it since I met her so I'm pretty curious if you don't mind sharing.

I think most important is his diet, and if he's able to eat a little better than Chron's allowed him to, he'll gain muscle mass as the body recovers. I'm sure he's been eating plenty of meat so the added energy from carbs is going to be the major change, but I would encourage him to change gradually.

On the exercise side, I think SS would be great for him. I read an interview, I think on this site, where Rippetoe and Pendlay (iirc) talk about kids squatting with broomsticks as their resistence. If he can hold the bar he can squat and there's no shame at starting at 45 lbs. If he can't use the full bar, he could use a smaller bar. The big lifts use the biggest and most muscles; it will be easier for him to do them and it will be more profitable in the long run. I'm almost certain that bodyweight stuff would be too much. I mean, bench pressing 45 lbs would be much easier than a push-up, and it would get him prepared for possible later work if it all goes well.

Best of luck!

JUSA · 02-15-2007, 09:19 AM

Yea, like Bluedot said - no shame in dropping the weight to nil. Still, if that's too much BW stuff ought to do the trick. Has a doctor said or recommended anything? Surely they've said something.

On a personal note, about 5 years ago I had a problem with my intestines and ended up not being able to eat for 2 weeks. My stomach shrank and I could barely eat a couple bites. Even after I was on the mend, I wasn't able to put much food down. My weight dropped to 150 lbs (at 5'10) and I was basically skin and bones (sounds like your coz is worse, though). I just worked on eating and walking. I was pretty weak and wasn't able to get very far, but I'd just eat, walk and rest until I was better.

If he's that bad, maybe he just needs to do something like that till he's able to get around like a normal guy. Then he can hit the gym or do BW exercises.

kingfish3 · 02-15-2007, 12:13 PM

i never broke a rule, if i broke a rule then all the volume trolls that come into my posts where they don't belong are breaking rules. Ive also pm'd the mods as well and ive said hundreds of times that i would not be doing mentzer hit for powerlifting, but would modify it

jason_bh · 02-15-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfish3

i never broke a rule, if i broke a rule then all the volume trolls that come into my posts where they don't belong are breaking rules. Ive also pm'd the mods as well and ive said hundreds of times that i would not be doing mentzer hit for powerlifting, but would modify it

JUSA · 02-15-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfish3

i never broke a rule, if i broke a rule then all the volume trolls that come into my posts where they don't belong are breaking rules. Ive also pm'd the mods as well and ive said hundreds of times that i would not be doing mentzer hit for powerlifting, but would modify it

Which guy in your avatar is you? I always assumed it was the red-shirt guy with the porno-stasch. I picture in my mind that guy talking whenever I read your posts. It makes it a lot more fun, actually.

jason_bh · 02-15-2007, 01:08 PM

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Which guy in your avatar is you?

The "little one" sitting in daddy's lap.