the truth about natty lifting...

[AdamAntony]

Certainly. Mostly depends on ab size, muscular and skeletal structure, & training history

Vtech, are you natty?

[send4theman]

Imo many heavyweight figters either MMA or Boxing have good natty builds. (some did use steroids before as Brock Lesnar, Aliester Overeem etc.) but there are natty fighters that have a heavy weightlifting routine and fighting cardio routine and they achieve pretty good results:



but nowhere close to the steroid users.

Most mma fighters use. Especially gh

[RH1N0BRAH]

if you are 5'11 you aren't "big and shredded" if you weigh less than 195-200. less than that you don't even look like you lift with a shirt on

lol srs? i wont say i look huge but i definitely look like i lift in clothes...

brb dont even lift at 190

[Valenzuelatech]

Vtech, are you natty?

Yep, and at only 180lbs 5'10 it shouldn't be hard to believe.

[Money Shot]

lulz **** that's demotivating

lol I didn't mean to. I just like to be honest since I was natty for 6 1/2 years and not for 2 years.

[AdamAntony]

Yep, and at only 180lbs 5'10 it shouldn't be hard to believe.

You look shredded & big (misc denies this possibility...). Routine?

[Jooceman]

Pls rep this man.

An honest brah who is honest with himself too.

Hmmm. I dont know about this. If you continue to lift using progressive overload why couldn't you keep putting on muscle? Sure the gains would slow down A LOT after the first few years but I don't think they just freeze. I'll get back to you in 3 or 4 years and let you know whether I'm on your side.

[TheXanderXone]

lol I didn't mean to. I just like to be honest since I was natty for 6 1/2 years and not for 2 years.

You mind me asking what age you started?

[RH1N0BRAH]

You look shredded & big (misc denies this possibility...). Routine?

his routine wont do anything for you, it suits him

[Money Shot]

You mind me asking what age you started?

couple of months before I turned 25

[Valenzuelatech]

You look shredded & big (misc denies this possibility...). Routine?

Keyword is "look" size is an illusion you can create through bodybuilding.

I'll have a feature on simplyshredded soon with everything

[TheXanderXone]

couple of months before I turned 25

Everyone on forums tells me to wait till then. I don't think it'll happen though...

[Money Shot]

Everyone on forums tells me to wait till then. I don't think it'll happen though...

that's garbage backed with no scientific proof. I wish I started at 21

[Zaynbrah]

that's garbage backed with no scientific proof. I wish I started at 21

but it sucks for me brah.

brb genetics are disposed to respond well to DHT..

brb i look like a pizza face during puberty. finally managed to get my hormones under control

brb afraid of hair loss eventhough my dad still has all his hair.

my hormones are finally coming down and finally having morning wood again etc. would be stupid to mess it up again...

[SherdiL1]

Thats just a harsh reality let me give you 2 examples Scott Herman Vs Jeff Seid both claim natty and they have been lifting since they were 12 but huge differences in thier physique one is clearly not natural.

[TheXanderXone]

that's garbage backed with no scientific proof. I wish I started at 21

Well that's good because I've already bought everything lol.

[Jooceman]

I was saying he's not being an egotistical assh0le that makes claims about his extra "hard work" (that bicycle helps him do) being the only reason why he's getting bigger.

You can have an impressive physique being a natty... but if you are super serious about BB, then you might as well ride bicycles.. because that's the real name of the sport.

Ahhh ok. Thanks for clearing that up. But what I don't get is how you guys decide who is natural and who isn't. Even if someone LOOKS like their body is attainable that doesn't mean that they're not on anything. For all we know this guy could be taking something even though his size and leanness doesn't necessarily require it.



And with something like BBing isnt it possible that some people would respond a lot better than others?

[pantera2]

i would but know NOWHERE to get it so... whateverrr

[SasukeUchiha]

that's garbage backed with no scientific proof. I wish I started at 21

da fuk is this real life? I want to start when im 21 but i heard youre fukked for life if you do it before 30. definitely gonna do more research but your post is good news.

But brah every single site ive researched cell tech on says its bad to run it before age 25. So what do you mean theirs no evidence? Also what are women's opinions on you taking cell tech?

And bro you should write a cell tech bible. It would help out a lot of ppl. superturk was gonna write one but he never did :/

[VitaCrave]

that's garbage backed with no scientific proof. I wish I started at 21

Money shot has always been a chill poster but he has garnered my respect for being an honest brah. (No nuthug)

[TheXanderXone]

da fuk is this real life? I want to start when im 21 but i heard youre fukked for life if you do it before 30. definitely gonna do more research but your post is good news.

But brah every single site ive researched cell tech on says its bad to run it before age 25. So what do you mean theirs no evidence? Also what are women's opinions on you taking cell tech?

And bro you should write a cell tech bible. It would help out a lot of ppl. superturk was gonna write one but he never did :/

Don't quote me on this, but I think I read somewhere that the HPTA is essentially fully developed by age 21; maybe earlier in some individuals. But that it fluctuates until age 25. Again, I don't how true this is, but I clearly remember reading it. Also, I've joined several of those forums and all say I have a great diet and training and the second I tell them my age they flame the fuk outta me.

[SasukeUchiha]

Ahhh ok. Thanks for clearing that up. But what I don't get is how you guys decide who is natural and who isn't. Even if someone LOOKS like their body is attainable that doesn't mean that they're not on anything. For all we know this guy could be taking something even though his size and leanness doesn't necessarily require it.



And with something like BBing isnt it possible that some people would respond a lot better than others?

Well youre very much right, that guy could be on cell tech and we wouldnt know or think it. If someone told me ViperGQ was on cell tech I wouldnt believe it.

But their are times when its very evident that someones juicing. For example:
Dat mass, dat thickness, dat hardness, all while being shredded.

[Jooceman]

da fuk is this real life? I want to start when im 21 but i heard youre fukked for life if you do it before 30. definitely gonna do more research but your post is good news.

But brah every single site ive researched cell tech on says its bad to run it before age 25. So what do you mean theirs no evidence? Also what are women's opinions on you taking cell tech?

And bro you should write a cell tech bible. It would help out a lot of ppl. superturk was gonna write one but he never did :/

You're 17. I think you're going to regret it if you hop on the sauce anytime soon. Realize that Money Shot doesn't ever come off. Hes not cycling like most of the other juicers here. If you cycle you are not going to retain most of your gains when you come off and at your age there is a good chance you're doing more harm than good. If you're going to do this you should be prepared to use for the rest of your life. Its not going to be just once. One of the reasons I'm going to stay natural at least for now.

EDIT: Thats another question. For the people on here considering using steroids. Do you plan on continuing to use them for the rest of your life?

[Jooceman]

Well youre very much right, that guy could be on cell tech and we wouldnt know or think it. If someone told me ViperGQ was on cell tech I wouldnt believe it.

But their are times when its very evident that someones juicing. For example:
Dat mass, dat thickness, dat hardness, all while being shredded.

What I'm saying is how do we know exactly what level of mass and conditioning = steroids? There seems to be a certain size that most people here agree is possible but how do we know that some people can't beat that size. There are some real freaks out there.

[KevVandersloot]

Thats just a harsh reality let me give you 2 examples Scott Herman Vs Jeff Seid both claim natty and they have been lifting since they were 12 but huge differences in thier physique one is clearly not natural.

This.

[SasukeUchiha]

Don't quote me on this, but I think I read somewhere that the HPTA is essentially fully developed by age 21; maybe earlier in some individuals. But that it fluctuates until age 25. Again, I don't how true this is, but I clearly remember reading it. Also, I've joined several of those forums and all say I have a great diet and training and the second I tell them my age they flame the fuk outta me.

Yeah its weird ive seen a ton of cases where after someones first cycle their test lvls end up higher than before(cell tech jump starting their test) which is why a lot of miscers recommend guys on here with test lvls in the 200-300 range to do a cycle.

But there are also ppl who cycle and their natural test is srsly decreased so they need to keep going at it dont they? OBV not after 1 cycle but still it's big risk at a young age to mess with your endocrine system IMO.

[TheXanderXone]

Yeah its weird ive seen a ton of cases where after someones first cycle their test lvls end up higher than before(cell tech jump starting their test) which is why a lot of miscers recommend guys on here with test lvls in the 200-300 range to do a cycle.

But there are also ppl who cycle and their natural test is srsly decreased so they need to keep going at it dont they? OBV not after 1 cycle but still it's big risk at a young age to mess with your endocrine system IMO.

I don't think you can screw up your natty test with one cycle, unless you completely skip PCT. Just noticed you're 17, so I wouldn't recommend you doing it. However, I think you should be g2g in a few years if that's the route you want to take. And yes, I've also heard of people's natty test rising after a cycle, but I think they usually have very low test to begin with.

[SasukeUchiha]

What I'm saying is how do we know exactly what level of mass and conditioning = steroids? There seems to be a certain size that most people here agree is possible but how do we know that some people can't beat that size. There are some real freaks out there.

Again it's a hard question to answer. Sometimes I disagree with the people posted that users MoneyShot say arent natty and sometimes I agree. None of us(or very few) know what they look like irl either.

if you take a look at PlasmaBrahh's thread of bodybuilders and fitness models in regular photos its a pretty good indicator of the size and conditioning which = steroids.
But I mean if someone has 18 inch or larger arms shredded(layne norton) then I would automatically assume not natty. IMO not even with freaky genetics can give you have that size.

[ESPN2]

you can only choose two : BIG / SHREDDED / NATTY


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I invented this!

I invented this ****ing quote and then everyone started saying it (Srs)

[Jooceman]

Again it's a hard question to answer. Sometimes I disagree with the people posted that users MoneyShot say arent natty and sometimes I agree. None of us(or very few) know what they look like irl either.

if you take a look at PlasmaBrahh's thread of bodybuilders and fitness models in regular photos its a pretty good indicator of the size and conditioning which = steroids.
But I mean if someone has 18 inch or larger arms shredded(layne norton) then I would automatically assume not natty. IMO not even with freaky genetics can give you have that size.

the problem with your logic this is that even if somebody managed to do it naturally nobody would believe them anyway so it would still be considered an impossibility even if it actually DID happen. this is all just based on our own judgement.