Mirin volume.
Do you feel like your bulk got a bit out of hand? Or was it all part of the plan?
Did your first prep drive you to go a little haywire with food psychologically and you justified it with a lot of weight gain?
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07-29-2015, 01:39 PM #4322
This, you're doin an awesome job of finding what works for you. Your offseason has been like reading a textbook of discovery lol
It was all part of his plan, I believe. He didn't really go haywire after his comp, and there was a period there where he was quite lean. And he learned a lot from playing with his body fat levels
Keep crushing it Alex, I'll be watching that vlog soon as I can!"The weak-minded would shrink away from what must be done for fear of being ridiculed by the wicked" - Terry Goodkind
"Be the change you wish to see in the world"...-Ghandi
Prep Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=158667243
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07-29-2015, 03:17 PM #4323
Thanks a lot guys, I really appreciate the kind words!
To answer your question Sonny, yes it was all part of the plan. As both JP and Patrick mentioned I took very long periods of time at a lower body fat % and slowly creeped up learning everything I could along the way. And I gotta be honest…after about 3 years of trial and error in absolutely EVERY aspect of this lifestyle, I can say I finally know what makes me gain muscle tissue, strength, lose fat, cognitively operate optimally, and most importantly, my balance and overall day to day energy and mind set. It took years and more than enough patience but it was all worth it!
6 Upper Hypertrophy Day (Hybrid Cycle) (10-100 reps)
*Intraset stretch = 30 sec extreme stretch right into proceeding set until all sets are complete
Daily Warm Up
-5 min step mill (pushing thru heels on LB, toes on UB)
-hip opener
-cable arms (35x50x2)
-cable crunch (35x30)
-rope pullover (35x30)
-walking leg stretches
-leg swings
BORN IN BLOOD...MY DARK PASSENGER WAS BORN
DB flat bench
50 x 30
20-30 reps
80's x 22
80's x 22
30-50 reps
70's x 40
70's x 40
HS Rows
Single arm Neutral FL
5 pps x 9
5 pps x 9
5 pps x 9
Both arm Overhand FS
3 pps x 9
3 pps x 9
3 pps x 9
IN THE LAND OF THE ANIMAL KINGDOM, THE LION DOES NOT FEAR THE JACKEL
Incline DB bench- 3 sets
50 x 38
50 x 38
50 x 38
Pulldowns (fully shortened)- 6 sets
Wide Neutral grip (8-12 reps)
140 x 10
140 x 10
Tension Reps Underhand
100 x 52s
100 x 52s
SF Cable pullovers (any attachment) - Loaded Stretch
57.5 x 26
30 count hard stretch
57.5 x 26
30 count hard stretch
LET THE INSANITY POUR OUT FROM YOUR LUNGS!!!!!
DB laterals- 4 sets of 20-30 reps
60 x 42
60 x 42
60 x 42
Timed Alt CTUT no breaks between reps (50-100 seconds)
25 x 1m 10s
Extremely High cable flys (1 higher than normal)- 6 sets
Straight arm
30 x 15
30 x 15
30 x 15
Straight arm
30s extreme stretch
20 x 22
Extreme Stretch (30 s)
20 x 22
Extreme Stretch (30 s)
20 x 22
Extreme Stretch (30 s)
ITS THE END OF YOUR RUN!!! MINE JUST GOT STARTED!!!
Rear Delt- 5 sets of 20-30 reps
Deadstop DB completely bent over
20 x 22
20 x 22
20 x 22
20 x 22
Timed
15 x 30s
Single arm preacher- 5 sets of 8-20 reps
40 x 12
40 x 12
40 x 12
40 x 12
40 x 12
BAD INTENTIONS!!! POWER OF F@&KING ZUES!!!
Alt Standing db- 4 sets of 8-20 reps
Hammer
45 x 15
45 x 15
Palms up entire time
10 x 32
10 x 32
DB behind the head extensions- 3 sets
Single
30 x 32
30 x 32
Both
50 x 36
50 x 36
MAKE THEM ALL BLEED!!! MAKE THEM ALL PAY!!!
Tricep pressdowns- 6 sets of 12-20 reps
Both overhand
50 x 40
50 x 40
Single underhand
5 x 20
5 x 20
Single rope
10 x 22
10 x 22
Cable upright rows ss BB shrugs- 3 sets of 100-500 reps
50 x 36 into stack x 60
50 x 36 into stack x 60
50 x 36 into stack x 60
IM NOT STOPPING UNTIL I WIN!!
High cable curls - 4 sets
15 x 46
15 x 46
15 x 46
15 x 46
Alt Cable front raise- 3 sets
5 x 24
5 x 24
5 x 20
**BFR Protocol Arms**
Pressdowns: 25 x 40 35 35
Curl bar: 15 ps x 22 18 18
Reverse preacher wrist curl: 5 ps x 30 25 25
I REFUSE TO LOSE MOTHERF@$KER!!!
Timed curl bar preacher curl- 1 set
5 ps x 1m 30s
BB wrist curls- 3 sets
65 x 66
65 x 66
65 x 66
Hanging leg raises- 6 sets
Non weighted bent legs
56
56
Weighted straight legs
+5 x 28
+5 x 28
Non weighted straight legs and pointed toes
15
15
YOU NEED DRUGS TO KEEP UP WITH ME!!!
Cable crunches- 4 sets
Above head
Stack x 52
Stack x 52
In front of body
35 x 32
35 x 32
Single side rope crunches- 4 set circuit
35 x 26 26
35 x 26 26
35 x 26 26
35 x 26 26
THIS SH*T CANT BE REAL. OUTWOTK.
Daily Cooldown
-BB flexor forearm cell swelling work (75x66)
-BB Behind the back shrugs (75x111)
-cardio if needed
-SMR, Trigger Point, Etc.
-vacuum (1 set of 1 min 30s)
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07-29-2015, 03:25 PM #4324
Fuaaaaa that high rep growth deyum.
Good answer man. I guess it takes you sacrificing your leanness for the sake of trial and error and determining what is best for long term gains. I just would hate to have to cut for a year+ in order to get back to reasonable bodyfat percentage again!Been playing with shafts and balls since '75.
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07-29-2015, 03:32 PM #4325
I love high rep training dude! So much fun!
And yeah its all about the long term. But I don't need to cut for a year…I'm recomping/mini-cutting currently and abs are in, vascular, striated, and getting near the leanest I've ever been…it hasn't been anywhere near a year, maybe like 4-5 months I thinkadvertising not permitted
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07-31-2015, 01:22 AM #4326
7 Lower Body Cell Swelling Day
Daily Warm Up
-5 min step mill (pushing thru heels on LB, toes on UB)
-hip opener
-cable arms (35x50x2)
-cable crunch (35x30)
-rope pullover (35x30)
-walking leg stretches
-leg swings
LETS BURN IT MOTHERF#$KER!!!
Leg curls- 8 sets
50-100 reps
110 x 52
110 x 52
110 x 52
110 x 52
Perfect form -20-100 reps fully shortened partials
90 x 46
90 x 46
20-100 reps fully lengthened partials
90 x 46
90 x 46
HAMSTRINGS WONT STOP GROWING!!! I'VE JUST BEGUN!!!
Leg extensions- 8 sets
50-100 rep
110 x 52
110 x 52
110 x 52
110 x 52
Perfect form - 20-100 reps fully shortened partials
70 x 52
70 x 52
Timed fully shortened
50 x 48s
50 x 48s
SQUEEZE IT MORE!!! FORCE GROWTH!!!
CTUT Somersault squats- 10 sets
38
38
38
38
38
38
38
38
38
38
MORE QUAD SWEEPS!!! I NEED BIGGER LEGS!!!
Standing single leg curls- 6 sets per leg
Left
20 x 52
20 x 52
20 x 52
Right
20 x 52
20 x 52
20 x 52
Occluded Leg press- 6 sets
K Style Close Stance/High Wide (switch stances every set)
8 plates x 66
8 plates x 66
8 plates x 66
8 plates x 66
8 plates x 66
8 plates x 66
THICK AZZ WHEELZ! NOW WE TEAR THROATS!
Occluded Smith machie calf press- 8 sets
12-20 reps
95 x 24
95 x 24
95 x 24
95 x 24
20-100 reps fully shortened partials
95 x 34
95 x 34
20-100 reps fully lengthened partials
95 x 34
95 x 34
WHO CAN BEAT ME?! F#$KING NO ONE!
Abductor- 4 sets of 15-30 reps
65 x 40
65 x 40
65 x 40
65 x 40
Adductor- 4 sets of 15-30 reps
65 x 40
65 x 40
65 x 40
65 x 40
MORE REPS. MORE GROWTH…I WIN. YOU LOSE.
Daily Cooldown
-BB flexor forearm cell swelling work (75x66)
-BB Behind the back shrugs (75x111)
-cardio if needed
-SMR, Trigger Point, Etc.
-vacuum (1 set of 1 min 30s)
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07-31-2015, 02:50 PM #4329
Completely agreed!
8 Upper Body Cell Swelling Day w/ forearm emphasis
Daily Warm Up
-5 min step mill (pushing thru heels on LB, toes on UB)
-hip opener
-cable arms (35x50x2)
-cable crunch (35x30)
-rope pullover (35x30)
-walking leg stretches
-leg swings
GET READY TO WATCH YOUR CITY BURN
Bench CG Partials
145 x 42
145 x 42
145 x 42
BB forearms (paused at tops)- 6 sets of 20-30 reps
Front
95 x 52
95 x 52
95 x 52
Back
95 x 52
95 x 52
95 x 52
LETS DESTROY THIS PLACE! NONSTOP ATTACK!
Lock down abs - 3 Way pullovers- 6 sets of 20-30
reps
Bar underhand
42.5 x 26
42.5 x 26
Bar overhand
42.5 x 28
42.5 x 28
LF Rope
65 x 28
65 x 28
DB rear delts- 3 sets
15 x 50
15 x 50
15 x 50
REAR DELTS GROWING AND LEANING THE F#$K OUT!!! BOULDER F#$KING SHOULDERS!!!
Side Laterals- 5 sets
DB side
55 x 62
55 x 62
55 x 62
Timed Alt
10 x 2m 22s
Cable flys- 6 sets of 20-30 reps
Higher straight arm
25 x 23
25 x 23
25 x 23
Lower straight arm pulling up
10 x 32
10 x 32
10 x 32
TEAR IT UP NOW!!!
Alt palms up entire time db preacher curls- 3 sets
10 x 26
10 x 26
10 x 26
Bodyweight tricep dips- 3 sets
54
54
54
Single arm preacher db- 3 sets
35 x 32
35 x 32
35 x 32
EVERYBODY BACK UP!
Behind the head db extension- 3 sets
Single
25 x 34
25 x 34
25 x 34
Triceps- 8 sets of 30-80 reps
Bar AK pressdowns (lats flexed)
57.5 x 44
57.5 x 44
Same but 60+ reps
30 x 70
30 x 70
Single arm rope
10 x 20
10 x 20
Rope overhead pressing out
20 x 30
20 x 30
Rope rear Delt face pulls- 3 sets timed
20 x 1m
20 x 1m
20 x 1m
I F#$KING RUN THIS SH*T! I WAS MADE FOR THIS SH*T!
Smith machine Traps (2:2:2 tempo)
135 x 1m 8s
1 min off
135 x 1m 8s
High cable curls- 4 sets
Normal
10 x 112
10 x 112
Fully Shortened
15 x 20
15 x 20
DB front raises- 2 sets
Palms down
25 x 13
25 x 13
LET THE ANIMAL LOOSE! LET HIM FEED ON HIS PREY!
***BFR Superset***
rope pressdowns: 30 x 40 28 28
Preacher reverse wrist curl: 20 x 30 22 22
Preacher curls: 20 x 40 28 28
Cable crunches- 4 sets
Both arm bar single sides circuit
57.5 x 32 each side
57.5 x 32 each side
57.5 x 32 each side
Front arms out timed
20 x 2m 30s
NOT F#$KING DONE! I NEED MORE! I CRAVE MORE!
Hanging reverse crunched- 6 sets
Weighted
+5 x 28
+5 x 28
+5 x 28
Bodyweight toes straight
12
12
12
Decline crunches holding plate above body- 4 sets
+25 x 16
+25 x 16
+25 x 16
+25 x 16
THATS HOW YOU F#$KING FORCE GROWTH
Daily Cooldown
-BB flexor forearm cell swelling work (75x66)
-BB Behind the back shrugs (75x111)
-cardio if needed
-SMR, Trigger Point, Etc.
-vacuum (1 set of 1 min 30s)
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08-01-2015, 06:41 AM #4332
Tons of homework, family time, date night with Lindsey, crush workouts…AND PACK UP FOR VACATION! Leaving wednesday for a nice almost 2 week vacation with my family!
NICE refeed! How has my style of refeeds been working for you? I know I've tried it with many of my own clients and it tends to work best for those that are already in a fairly lean state. Care to elaborate how its been for you? What have you been eating? Do you time any of the consumptions?
1 Lower MAX EFFORT - MAXIMAL STRENGTH OUTPUT (1-5 rep range, ensure full ROM within a given workout)
Daily Warm Up
-5 min step mill (pushing thru heels on LB, toes on UB)
-hip opener
-cable arms (35x50x2)
-cable crunch (35x30)
-rope pullover (35x30)
-walking leg stretches
-leg swings
LEG CUTS SO DEEP YOU COULD LOSE A FINGER IN THEM! PUSH F#$KING GROWTH!
Squats- 6+ working sets
Overload top half of strength curve (low bar above parallel)
135 x 3
225 x 2
315 x 1
405 x 1
495 x 1
585 x 2
Overload mid range of strength curve (low bar to parallel)
455 x 2
460 x 1
Overload lower half of strength curve (high bar below parallel)
335 x 1
345 x 1
355 x 1
OVERLOADING IN EVERY F#$KING RANGE OF THE STRENGTH CURVE!!! CONSTANT PROGRESS!!!
Deadlifts- 6+ working sets
Sumo
135 x 4
225 x 2
315 x 1
405 x 1
500 x 1
590 x 1
Deficit Paused Conventional (2 count pause at knee)
405 x 1
405 x 1
405 x 1
405 x 1
Leg quad sweep partials
26 plates x 8
26 plates x 8
26 plates x 8
26 plates x 8
MORE BLOOD! MORE MONEY! I KILL CAUSE IM HUNGRY!
Paused Squat stance leg press
Full DEEP AS POSSIBLE reps
20 plates x 8
20 plates x 8
20 plates x 8
Standing smith machine calf press
Slow Tempo Full ROM onto big toes
315 x 2
315 x 2
315 x 2
315 x 2
315 x 2
Drop set
315 x 2 into 225 x 4 into 135 x 6 into bar x 10
DO IT ALL! CONQUER THEM ALL!
Seated leg curl - stay seated between sets (seat 3 legs 2)- 6 sets of 2-5 reps
Normal
Stack + 15 x 2
Stack + 15 x 2
Stack + 15 x 2
5 count squeeze at peak contraction
150 x 3
150 x 3
150 x 3
Leg extensions- 3 sets of 2-5 reps
Stack + 15 x 2
Stack + 15 x 2
Stack + 15 x 2
ADDING WEIGHT TO THE STACKS LIKE ITS NOTHIN!
Kikel Quad Sweep Experiment (10 sets of lower end of rep range for the day with 10 count break between sets, done every leg workout)- 10 sets of 2-5 reps
150 x 2
150 x 2
150 x 2
150 x 2
150 x 2
150 x 2
150 x 2
150 x 2
150 x 2
150 x 2
QUAD SWEEPS HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS F#$KING BIG!!! MORE MOTIVATION TO WORK HARDER!!!
BFR FSFL calf press- 6 sets
Reps
290 x 6
290 x 6
290 x 6
290 x 6
290 x 6
Timed
110 x 1m 6s
THIS INSANITY IS MY CLARITY
Daily Cooldown
-BB flexor forearm cell swelling work (75x66)
-BB Behind the back shrugs (75x111)
-cardio if needed
-SMR, Trigger Point, Etc.
-vacuum (1 set of 1 min 30s)
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08-01-2015, 06:47 AM #4333
12 bagels, Sushi, Rice, Sour Patch Kids, Froyo, Rice Cakes, etc
No specific time restraints. Just tried to spread it out into at least 4 meals with a good chunk of protein in each
For effects? I don't know really as I've only done it twice. Can't do it too often as its almost a full time job eating that much in a day and I usually don't feel like doing much else with that many carbs lol. No super workout benefits necessarily, but obviously pretty good workouts after all the cals/carbs. I moreso do it because theres no negatives.... I only gained 2lb this morning and I'll be back down to regular weight in 2-3 days at most. It's nice to eat till I'm actually full (doesn't happen often) without any negative effects
btw im lean bulking. Cut down to sub 10% then slowly reversed over 10 or so weeks while upping calories from 2400 to 3300 currently. Weight has stayed ± 3lb of my end of cut low
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08-01-2015, 07:02 AM #4334
Nice food selection!
I've seen the best results by doing a very low calorie day the day before my refeed where I pretty much for moderate P, 0 CHO, High fat in order to almost get a super-compensation type effect. Then on the refeed day itself the first bit of carbs I take in are in the form of gatorade powder mixed into my intra-workout and the performance enhancements are seen majorly in that workout as well as the following day as I consume roughly 30-50% of my CHO for the day intra and post workout and then 30-50% of CHO before bed.
The difference is between seeing:
no negative side effects and only refeeding this style every now and then
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seeing noticeable positive side effects and refeeding this style 1x per week
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08-01-2015, 07:07 AM #4335
Yeah I tried to stick to starchy sources mostly. The candy I used pre/intra workout to experiment with compared to gatorade intra (which I've been doing last few weeks).
I didn't cut carbs the day before so that's probably why the effects in the gym aren't super noticeable. I'm at almost 400 g carbs daily, which is a healthy amount so going beyond that won't do much performance wise
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08-02-2015, 07:40 AM #4339
Thanks man glad your liking it! Have fun working all day
2 Upper MAX EFFORT - MAXIMAL STRENGTH OUTPUT (Hybrid Cycle)(1-5 rep range)
Daily Warm Up
-5 min step mill (pushing thru heels on LB, toes on UB)
-hip opener
-cable arms (35x50x2)
-cable crunch (35x30)
-rope pullover (35x30)
-walking leg stretches
-leg swings
GROWING MUSCLE MUSCLE, GETTING STRONGER, AND LOSING BODY FAT…THATS HOW I F#$KING LIVE!
Bench CG- 5-10 working sets
2:2:1 Tempo (explosive off chest)
Bar x 20
135 x 4
225 x 1
285 x 1
285 x 1
285 x 1
345 x 1!!!
T Bar rows- 5x5
5 plates + 5 x 5
5 plates + 5 x 5
5 plates + 5 x 5
5 plates + 5 x 5
5 plates + 5 x 5
F#$KING CLOSE GRIP BENCH PR!!! I WANT 4 PLATES RIGHT F#$KING NOW!!!
DB incline- 3 sets
100's x 2
100's x 2
100's x 2
Lat Pulldown ss 6 neutral grip quick pullups- 5 sets
WG LF Fully Lengthened Partial Singles
Stack (260) + 10 x 2
Stack (260) + 10 x 2
SW SF Fully Shortened Partials
140 x 6
140 x 6
140 x 6
SLOWLY WORKING UP MY STRENGTH ON INCLINE!!! WANNA PRESS SOME 200's!!!
DB side laterals- 6 sets
Loose Form
95 x 12
95 x 12
95 x 12
Alt Scaps pinched - perfect form
50 x 7
50 x 7
High cable flys- 8 sets
Slightly bent arms
57.5 x 5
57.5 x 5
5:0:5 Tempo straight arms
35 x 3
35 x 3
35 x 3
35 x 3
FSFL
20 x 8
20 x 8
MUSCLES GROWING AND GETTING MORE FULL THAN EVER!!! TEAR THIS PLACE UP!!!
Front db raises- 4 sets
LF Neutral
55 x 3
55 x 3
Overhand
40 x 3
40 x 3
Deadstop at bottom - Tight form DB rear delt- 4 sets
Overhand grip
40 x 5
40 x 5
40 x 5
40 x 5
MORE!!! GROW!!!
Biceps- 5 sets
Single db preacher
40 x 8
40 x 8
Alt db cross body hammer
80 x 2
80 x 2
80 x 2
High arm cable curls (5 count squeeze)- 6 sets
FL
25 x 7
25 x 7
25 x 7
FS
10 x 7
10 x 7
10 x 7
LET THE BODIES OUT!!!
Bent over elbows in Overhand bar pressdowns- 6 sets
FL
Stack + 5 x 6
Stack + 5 x 6
Stack + 5 x 6
FS
50 x 6
50 x 6
50 x 6
1.5 reps shortened
35 x 5
35 x 5
35 x 5
Face pulls- 3 sets
Stack + 5 x 5
Stack + 5 x 5
Stack + 5 x 5
CALL THE F#$KING AMBULANCES!!!
Scap retractions- 3 sets
Stack + 5 x 5
Stack + 5 x 5
Stack + 5 x 5
Hanging leg raises- 9 sets
Weighted
+25 x 3
+25 x 3
+25 x 3
+25 x 3
+25 x 3
+25 x 3
Bodyweight toes straight
6
6
6
HEAR MY ROAR!!!
Cable abs- 9 sets
Normal
Stack + 35 x 2
Stack + 35 x 2
Stack + 35 x 2
Stack + 35 x 2
Stack + 35 x 2
Stack + 35 x 2
Arms straight out
50 x 6
50 x 6
50 x 6
IM THE KING OF THIS F#$KING JUNGLE
Daily Cooldown
-BB flexor forearm cell swelling work (75x66)
-BB Behind the back shrugs (75x111)
-cardio if needed
-SMR, Trigger Point, Etc.
-vacuum (1 set of 1 min 30s)
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08-02-2015, 09:27 AM #4340
Maybe check this out? Would probably be cheaper than Powerade Zero and you could experiment with different doses/frequencies easier...
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/nu...hydration.html
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Good video on the refeeds.
Looks similar to UD 2.0 with the massive carb loads and Lyle does like cereal/bagels
Dig the shoutout
Even if you buy a large gatorade or powdered powerade tub just dose that intra-workout, the additional carbs wont hurt and the electrolytes are there for cheaper.Last edited by The Solution; 08-02-2015 at 12:19 PM.
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Nice thread, good stuff in here..
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