~ official misc RAMADAN thread 2012/1433 ~

[Hamzzza]

so i was in town after night prayer during 27th night and stayed there for sehri and fajr/mukabela and i ate next to nothing and just drank like i glass of juice - thought i would feel terrible today but it was all good

[SUPER_MANLET]

How do you pray?

(sorry had to)

same as u do , except i don't go to mosques to hear their stories/khutba

[stlmtl]

same as u do , except i don't go to mosques to hear their stories/khutba

I thought you only Quran crew bro?

[SUPER_MANLET]

I thought you only Quran crew bro?

i said , i believe only in Quran nothing else , as long as praying is mentioned in Quran then i follow the rules

[stlmtl]

i said , i believe only in Quran nothing else , as long as praying is mentioned in Quran then i follow the rules

Praying is mentioned but not the instructions, just wondering how you justify your thought process?

[SUPER_MANLET]

Praying is mentioned but not the instructions, just wondering how you justify your thought process?

tbh i don't want to discuss it here , many young people too wont understand the way i think but i can discuss it with u in PM if u like

[TheRealRustle]

tbh i don't want to discuss it here , many young people too wont understand the way i think but i can discuss it with u in PM if u like

bro, Islam has a set of rules and guidelines from the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). As a Muslim if we start using our own notions and ideas of things how can we be sure that it's not the sheitaan putting idea's into our heads and deviating us from the clear rules? For example the Prophet said "pray as you have seen me pray".. how is that not crystal clear guidance for the Ummah to follow? Not trying to get at you but Islam is about submission and accepting that Allah knows best and we are his servants, and servants don't do things their own way once they have been instructed of their duties and obligations.

Alhamdulilah you're a believer though so Allah has blessed you.

[stlmtl]

tbh i don't want to discuss it here , many young people too wont understand the way i think but i can discuss it with u in PM if u like

pm sent.

bro, Islam has a set of rules and guidelines from the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). As a Muslim if we start using our own notions and ideas of things how can we be sure that it's not the sheitaan putting idea's into our heads and deviating us from the clear rules? For example the Prophet said "pray as you have seen me pray".. how is that not crystal clear guidance for the Ummah to follow? Not trying to get at you but Islam is about submission and accepting that Allah knows best and we are his servants, and servants don't do things their own way once they have been instructed of their duties and obligations.

Alhamdulilah you're a believer though so Allah has blessed you.

+1

[MooseLaddin]

tbh i don't want to discuss it here , many young people too wont understand the way i think but i can discuss it with u in PM if u like

damn I wish this discussion wasn't through PM's. Interested... Lol

[Hamzzza]

the hadith of the prophet cannot be ignored in islam, without it you wouldn't know how to actually pray, where the Qur'an came from, how to make wudu, many things about marriage etc. etc.

but that doesnt mean that you HAVE To listen to a certain schoolar and share his believes, search and learn for yourself if you want to, but do it with a sincere intention to make your iman stronger and Allah swt. will guide you Insha-Allah

damn I wish this discussion wasn't through PM's. Interested... Lol

respect his privacy, if he doesnt want to talk about and keep it among 4 eyes it's his right...maybe PM him if you really want to know too but with the intention to learn something, not with the intention to bash his believes or ideas...

[whappend12]

The Quran is a holy book that prescribes a set of rules that we must abide too. Hadiths and sunnah are examples and ideas that we should follow/respect. Scholars bring out a deeper sense and meaning to islam. You must respect these ideas for the greater good. Arrogance and ignorance will only close you off for the worse

[Hamzzza]

The Quran is a holy book that prescribes a set of rules that we must abide too. Hadiths and sunnah are examples and ideas that we should follow/respect. Scholars bring out a deeper sense and meaning to islam. You must respect these ideas for the greater good. Arrogance and ignorance will only close you off for the worse

hadiths and sunnah can be a 'must' to abide to


we all know how to take wudu, and that the fard/must for wudu is at least: arms, face, head and legs--- how do we know this ? sunnah just an example...i do inform myself of certain things through certain schoolars of course because they are seeking for knowledge their whole lives and have a deeper understanding than me but that doesnt mean i will always share their thoughts and think the same way they do


for example, i will not accept that stoning is a valid form of punishment for adultery in islam, and i explained my points to syriankid here: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post927903833 and there are more reasons to these than just the ones i listed in there

many schoolars would eat me alive for this, but Allah swt. knows best and i will be judged for my deeds and they will be judged for their deeds, i have no problem with that



just keep it peaceful in here brothers

[DJGalactico]

Ay fellas, when's yall Eid (Canadian brahs, and eastern coast folks)

[stlmtl]

Ay fellas, when's yall Eid (Canadian brahs, and eastern coast folks)

Saturday or Sunday depending on the sighting of the moon.

[Hamzzza]

@bilal i think you asked for this:


the whole 'mukabela' juzz for every day will be uploaded soon if i understood well...


wow so many people i know in this video

me on the top, the same day

[HalalBarbell]

hadiths and sunnah can be a 'must' to abide to


we all know how to take wudu, and that the fard/must for wudu is at least: arms, face, head and legs--- how do we know this ? sunnah just an example...i do inform myself of certain things through certain schoolars of course because they are seeking for knowledge their whole lives and have a deeper understanding than me but that doesnt mean i will always share their thoughts and think the same way they do

"O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful." Al-Ma'ida 5:6

Although I can't say I'm a Qur'anist, I am very weary about some of arguments that are thrown around in defense of hadiths.

To say things like you cannot know how to do x/y/z essential thing with only the Qur'an implies the incompleteness/imperfection of the Qur'an!
I know it is not the intention, but we shouldn't let such notions slide. Remember, Qur'an is hadith Muhammad (saw)!

Praying is also mentioned in the ayats of the Qur'an, although I cannot remember the precise verse at this time.

There is no purpose to rehash the time old debate of hadith or not, we simply must accept that there is valid concerns on both sides.
On both sides are driven by a zeal for Allah, it is simply on one side is a revivalist another is conservative.

In this matter, we must respect the other parties right to make ijtihad, and see that although the idea of practicing without hadith of the sahabas is shocking to us (with good reason too, what does such a thing imply of the generations of Muslims before us? They practiced a nullity and their good deeds void?)
Yet we should remember hadith has not been around forever, there were many a generation that were essentially Qur'anists in early Islam, so to accuse people of blasphemy would be an equal accusation whole generations.

We must remember that the salvation of each man is his own responsibility, it is only fair a man should make his own choices.

Allah knows best

[13bgt35r]

i said , i believe only in Quran nothing else , as long as praying is mentioned in Quran then i follow the rules

the Quran says to follow the sunnah! obey Allah and Obey the prophet, as mentioned many times in the Quran.

[Hamzzza]

well said halal barbell, you are right .... i have made a mistake since i only tried to find a quick example from the top of my head without re-checking it

[Jack3dSparrow]

Hamzaa - why is every muslim in your town clean shaven? Keeping a beard is FARD (obligatory). Is it a muslim country in Bosnia?

[MooseLaddin]

the hadith of the prophet cannot be ignored in islam, without it you wouldn't know how to actually pray, where the Qur'an came from, how to make wudu, many things about marriage etc. etc.

but that doesnt mean that you HAVE To listen to a certain schoolar and share his believes, search and learn for yourself if you want to, but do it with a sincere intention to make your iman stronger and Allah swt. will guide you Insha-Allah



respect his privacy, if he doesnt want to talk about and keep it among 4 eyes it's his right...maybe PM him if you really want to know too but with the intention to learn something, not with the intention to bash his believes or ideas...

I PM'd him

[iRelentless]

Hamzaa - why is every muslim in your town clean shaven? Keeping a beard is FARD (obligatory). Is it a muslim country in Bosnia?

Since when is it obligatory?

[whappend12]

hadiths and sunnah can be a 'must' to abide to


we all know how to take wudu, and that the fard/must for wudu is at least: arms, face, head and legs--- how do we know this ? sunnah just an example...i do inform myself of certain things through certain schoolars of course because they are seeking for knowledge their whole lives and have a deeper understanding than me but that doesnt mean i will always share their thoughts and think the same way they do


for example, i will not accept that stoning is a valid form of punishment for adultery in islam, and i explained my points to syriankid here: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post927903833 and there are more reasons to these than just the ones i listed in there

many schoolars would eat me alive for this, but Allah swt. knows best and i will be judged for my deeds and they will be judged for their deeds, i have no problem with that



just keep it peaceful in here brothers

I didnt want to use abide twice lol




Beards are sunnah... no more arguing over this...

[13bgt35r]

I didnt want to use abide twice lol




Beards are sunnah... no more arguing over this...

That's opening a can of worms.

[FryDude]

Anyone else feel like they accomplished nothing this ramadan? I mean I've only skipped a handful of days but I still feel wrong if that makes any sense.

[whappend12]

Anyone else feel like they accomplished nothing this ramadan? I mean I've only skipped a handful of days but I still feel wrong if that makes any sense.

make sure u make em up

[miskdetective]

a white, slavic, muslim. what a fukin beta retard. just because your people got owned by a bunch of turks many years ago and were assimilated to their religion that doesn't mean you have to keep being a beta ******* forever.



no hate on muslims, ramadan or their religion in general, just beta fuking bosnians. how low can you go scum

[MooseLaddin]

Hamzaa - why is every muslim in your town clean shaven? Keeping a beard is FARD (obligatory). Is it a muslim country in Bosnia?

wtf keeping a beard is obligatory?? My parents hate it when I grow one out... right now I'm on a mission I started last week to grow a beard like James Harden but they say its satanic! It's almost as if its haraam to have a beard to my parents. Can anyone shed some light here??

[hussainizzle]

Just read through the past few pages,
1. A beard if a fard
2. Music is not haram, Psalms for example is musical and the Quran is read (from my undestanding) in a rhythm.
3. Sunnah are the lessons given by Prophet Mohammad(S), i.e hadiths and instructions which we must abide by, with the Quran to be a whole muslim.
4. Scholars are people who read into depth about the quran and sunnah. Its not like they're making ideas out of the blue. Scholar's teachings abide MUST abide by the quran, and if not , it'll be quickly thrown away. What ever wrong i have said is from me and the shaytan, and what ever right i said is from Allah.

Edit: @Mooseladdin, you can search up various topics by Zakir Naik, very intelligent scholar and simple

[Gymrat2000]

Since when is it obligatory?

This

[whappend12]

wtf keeping a beard is obligatory?? My parents hate it when I grow one out... right now I'm on a mission I started last week to grow a beard like James Harden but they say its satanic! It's almost as if its haraam to have a beard to my parents. Can anyone shed some light here??

Lol james harden dies have a nice beard. Tell them the prophet had one. My cousin says a man w/o a beard is like a lion w/o a mane. Im trying to grow one, but keep it well groomed and shaved