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    Originally Posted by Xuaxace View Post
    When you do your power workouts you reduce your ROM to accomodate for more weight.

    When you do "tension days", you use too light of a weight to do excesively slow negatives.

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    Traditionally, a power day would encompass low reps, full ROM with explosiveness/ as fast as possible speed.

    Hyperthrophy would encompass higher reps, more emphasis on the negative while still having a decent tempo (probably 2 second negative). Just checked the incline video and the negatives averaged 5 seconds, some 6. Completely excessive.

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    Up to you what you do, I just think it both power and tension days are flawed the way you do them
    I think his tension days are fine, would reduce weights on power days at least to allow for 6 reps and full ROM
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    you are tiny, even smaller than liftingforlife lol
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    Not trying to hate, but what you said on lat pulldowns was ****ing retarded.

    It's physically impossible to lift over bodyweight on a lat pulldown if you don't tuck your legs into something, as anything over bodyweight will just pull you up instead of bringing the bar down.

    Please address this.
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    Originally Posted by wgilbrech7 View Post
    you are tiny, even smaller than liftingforlife lol
    6'0 187 you are also smaller than lifting for life
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    Originally Posted by ESPN2 View Post
    I think his tension days are fine, would reduce weights on power days at least to allow for 6 reps and full ROM
    5-6 second negatives.... with weights he could probably bang 20 reps.

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    Originally Posted by LBulll View Post
    Not trying to hate, but what you said on lat pulldowns was ****ing retarded.

    It's physically impossible to lift over bodyweight on a lat pulldown if you don't tuck your legs into something, as anything over bodyweight will just pull you up instead of bringing the bar down.

    Please address this.
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    Originally Posted by LBulll View Post
    Not trying to hate, but what you said on lat pulldowns was ****ing retarded.

    It's physically impossible to lift over bodyweight on a lat pulldown if you don't tuck your legs into something, as anything over bodyweight will just pull you up instead of bringing the bar down.

    Please address this.
    Most people can't lift more than their bodyweight with good form anyway.
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    I aim for 65% of my 1 RM with 3-4 sec negatives on tension days. So let's say 105 x 5 on power days, I use 70s on tension days.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Most people can't lift more than their bodyweight with good form anyway.
    And if you want to do this, just do pullups

    Yo Eric I made a thread for you, check it out (first page of TBB)
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Most people can't lift more than their bodyweight with good form anyway.
    whizkyy can bang bw + 60lbs for 12 reps..
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    Originally Posted by BBqChicken1 View Post
    whizkyy can bang bw + 60lbs for 12 reps..
    I can do that too if I e-stat lol
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Most people can't lift more than their bodyweight with good form anyway.
    Ever tried doing close grip?

    I don't know many who train properly that can't close grip pulldown above their bodyweight.

    I do both weighted chinups and close grip pulldowns above bodyweight on the same day, and it brings very good progress.

    I'd just please ask you not to say anything about reverse pulldowns again please, as it's just straight out bad advice.
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    Not bad Eric. Definitely agree with use of slow negatives w/ lighter weights and perfect form. Also, the T-bar rows were pretty awful to be fair. The only thing that should be moving are your arms, not your hips and legs.

    To all the people that are hating on the tension concept: Just because you lift heavier weights does NOT mean you are directing the force of that weight through the muscle you are trying to work. I see people do heavy curls and the only thing being stimulated is their spine. They could have got a better bicep workout by doing 5lb curls.

    EDIT: Also, disagree with your justification for allowing your elbows to swing during your curls. Remember that more weight =/= more tension as you know. I used to curl 35lbs for 8 reps and 3 sets. Now I use half the weight with slower negatives and no upper arm movement and have seen half an inch of growth to date since refining my form.
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    @Eric- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=146386813

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    To all the people that are hating on the tension concept: Just because you lift heavier weights does NOT mean you are directing the force of that weight through the muscle you are trying to work. I see people do heavy curls and the only muscle they are stimulating is their spine. They could have got a better bicep workout by doing 5lb curls.
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    i'm really not seeing 169 pounds...if i had a guess i would say around 150..

    also, can you please stop attempting to give bodybuilding advice when from what i have seen you have very little lifting experience, you dont even look like you lift, and you dont know what you are talking about..
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Most people can't lift more than their bodyweight with good form anyway.
    Yeah, the people that are weak and small like you. My buddy does 255lbs pulldowns at a body weight of 210lbs woth good form. Lol'd at trying to win an argument by saying that you're weak.
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    Originally Posted by Little_Moth View Post
    Yeah, the people that are weak and small like you. My buddy does 255lbs pulldowns at a body weight of 210lbs woth good form. Lol'd at trying to win an argument by saying that you're weak.
    Congratulations to your friend who is the world's strongest powerlifter on lat pulldowns
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    Congratulations to your friend who is the world's strongest powerlifter on lat pulldowns
    Thanks bro! I'll congratulate my friend for ya.
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    I can do that too if I e-stat lol
    no you probably couldnt then either.
    You would be surprised just how much time I have to waste.
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    6'0 187 you are also smaller than lifting for life
    he's just a fat guy though, can't even do a bodyweight bench press or deadlift or squat
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    Good video as always, Eric. I think you should do dead hang pullups instead though dude. And replace both tricep extensions with dips.

    Anyway, can someone make a .gif where the black guy jumps up to the bar and Eric looks behind his shoulder and seems bothered?

    As far as captions go, the black guy can represent the troll that "runs all up on" and jumps into Eric's thread and interrupts him, causing him to start trippin'.

    Edit: If you could also photoshop Whizky's face on to the black guy, that would make the .gif even more rife with symbolism. It would obviously represent Whizky's desperate cries for attention by attempting to hijack Eric's threads, and it would also poke fun at his e-statting because it would have his face on a jacked, black male body.
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    Originally Posted by Xuaxace View Post
    5-6 second negatives.... with weights he could probably bang 20 reps.

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    If the time under tension is right then why is it excessive?

    You get the most hypertrophy benefit from the eccentric so it's ideal for most of your time under tension to be during the eccentric.

    That's the theory anyway. What do you dispute?
    If you get the most hypertrophy, why not doing a 20 sec negative on DB bench press then?
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    Originally Posted by Saintsqc View Post
    If you get the most hypertrophy, why not doing a 20 sec negative on DB bench press then?
    Good question, but I think the obvious answer is that most exercises range of motion is too small to make a negative that is 10+ seconds long practical.

    Like imagine trying to do a 10 second negative on calf raises, it would end up being a series of isometric pauses. Can't keep the motion consistent when the negative is that long.

    Just IMO.

    But hell maybe 10-20 second negatives are fine. They aren't practical though.

    There are still benefits to full reps and certain rep ranges, but time under tension is also important and needs to be taken into account. I'm not educated enough to explain lol
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