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    Ok, so here is my attempt to clear up any questions about the Cube Method for those who don't feel like reading through a couple pages of Jason and BMont bickering.


    Here is the general concept of the Cube Method taken from Lilly's training blog:

    http://blillytraining.blogspot.com/2...be-method.html

    Here is a link to the Cube Method Group page on FB:

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/373552892719384/

    And last but not least, Brandon Lilly's YouTube Channel:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/brandonlilly3?feature=watch


    Lilly is set to release an ebook that delves deeper into the method on or around 12/12/12 according to FB posts. The book will be available through Juggernaut Training Systems website, http://www.jtsstrength.com/

    My prediction as to what will be in it is a basic layout of the method, how to adapt it to different training schedules, how to set it up to peak for a meet and perhaps a small blurb on nutrition. There will be some rough percentages on the primary lift, secondary lift and maybe eve a tertiary lift. This will not really be magic, rather a guideline that will ensure you will be busting your a**.

    Lilly's success (and that of his test group lifters) with the Cube Method is nothing of magic. It is about consistently busting you a** and training hard. These are his own words from several YouTube videos. If you are looking for a magic pill in ebook form, this will not be it. If you want some ideas on how to push yourself in training....this had ought to be a good buy.

    Speaking of buy, the complaining over the price of an ebook is silly in my mind. Yes the CBL book is pricey. Yes reading on a computer is kind of tough at times (convenient at others though). In the end though, we would not have The Juggernaut Method, The IronSport Method, Dynamic Deadlift, Scivation nutrition books and even 5/3/1 (to the extent it is known) without ebooks. The authors make a quick dollar and spread their word without the hassle of a publisher and all that. The $20, $30, $40....whatever that an ebook can cost pales in comparison to what charges from a coach and nutritional programmer could cost if you were to use them. The more we support those willing to put information into ebooks, the more we can learn about training as a whole.

    Also, he is getting flack from some other lifters because of perceived negative comments towards Westside, geared lifting, etc. In actuality he said that his progression had halted while training with a Westside setup. He had to adapt to be able to be able to continually progress. If I were a successful lifter at Westside, I may argue with Lilly as well because of the passion I would have for the way I train. If you don't believe in what you are doing to a point where you are willing to argue for it, then you probably aren't getting the most out of it.

    The geared lifting community in part (definitely not all of them) is pissed because he put them on blast after competing in the Super Training meet for not training for strength in the way that raw lifters do. I think the way he is talking is great for powerlifting (geared and raw) and would make it appeal to a lot more people than it currently does. Will it make it really popular....probably not, but still it would appeal to a few more than it does now.

    Anyhow, whether you use the Cube Method or not, some of the above links contain some pretty cool videos/articles/training logs that you may be able to apply to your training. I think most people in here know that any one program will not work for everybody, but being able to apply ideas to your own training is where you can stumble upon success. I think a lot of what Lilly is saying is just that....find what works, work hard at it, get bigger and stronger. I have been able to take this attitude to my training in a rejuvenated fashion for the last 6-8 weeks and have had some pretty nifty progress.
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    Originally Posted by ampUP11 View Post
    The shamrock shake any good?
    it's one of my favorites, especially mixed with choco pb or jamocha

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    That's about $200 in protein (if they're 5lb tubs), cot dayum. I probably have around 4lbs of cinnamon. I don't think I would like banana, .
    yeah i'm rich *****...i went a little crazy there with the supplements awhile ago...you want me to send you some banana?
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    Ok, so here is my attempt to clear up any questions about the Cube Method for those who don't feel like reading through a couple pages of Jason and BMont bickering.


    Here is the general concept of the Cube Method taken from Lilly's training blog:

    http://blillytraining.blogspot.com/2...be-method.html

    Here is a link to the Cube Method Group page on FB:

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/373552892719384/

    And last but not least, Brandon Lilly's YouTube Channel:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/brandonlilly3?feature=watch


    Lilly is set to release an ebook that delves deeper into the method on or around 12/12/12 according to FB posts. The book will be available through Juggernaut Training Systems website, http://www.jtsstrength.com/

    My prediction as to what will be in it is a basic layout of the method, how to adapt it to different training schedules, how to set it up to peak for a meet and perhaps a small blurb on nutrition. There will be some rough percentages on the primary lift, secondary lift and maybe eve a tertiary lift. This will not really be magic, rather a guideline that will ensure you will be busting your a**.

    Lilly's success (and that of his test group lifters) with the Cube Method is nothing of magic. It is about consistently busting you a** and training hard. These are his own words from several YouTube videos. If you are looking for a magic pill in ebook form, this will not be it. If you want some ideas on how to push yourself in training....this had ought to be a good buy.

    Speaking of buy, the complaining over the price of an ebook is silly in my mind. Yes the CBL book is pricey. Yes reading on a computer is kind of tough at times (convenient at others though). In the end though, we would not have The Juggernaut Method, The IronSport Method, Dynamic Deadlift, Scivation nutrition books and even 5/3/1 (to the extent it is known) without ebooks. The authors make a quick dollar and spread their word without the hassle of a publisher and all that. The $20, $30, $40....whatever that an ebook can cost pales in comparison to what charges from a coach and nutritional programmer could cost if you were to use them. The more we support those willing to put information into ebooks, the more we can learn about training as a whole.

    Also, he is getting flack from some other lifters because of perceived negative comments towards Westside, geared lifting, etc. In actuality he said that his progression had halted while training with a Westside setup. He had to adapt to be able to be able to continually progress. If I were a successful lifter at Westside, I may argue with Lilly as well because of the passion I would have for the way I train. If you don't believe in what you are doing to a point where you are willing to argue for it, then you probably aren't getting the most out of it.

    The geared lifting community in part (definitely not all of them) is pissed because he put them on blast after competing in the Super Training meet for not training for strength in the way that raw lifters do. I think the way he is talking is great for powerlifting (geared and raw) and would make it appeal to a lot more people than it currently does. Will it make it really popular....probably not, but still it would appeal to a few more than it does now.

    Anyhow, whether you use the Cube Method or not, some of the above links contain some pretty cool videos/articles/training logs that you may be able to apply to your training. I think most people in here know that any one program will not work for everybody, but being able to apply ideas to your own training is where you can stumble upon success. I think a lot of what Lilly is saying is just that....find what works, work hard at it, get bigger and stronger. I have been able to take this attitude to my training in a rejuvenated fashion for the last 6-8 weeks and have had some pretty nifty progress.
    tldr;

    This was supposed to be a cliff compared to the exchange between bmont and I? lol
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    Originally Posted by darren.dugan View Post
    Too much cali talk. You fukkers should be talking about moving to CO. Then we can all have a big PL Fam shoot and blow up stuff in the woods. Can't do that kinda thing in cali. Not to mention the world class ski resorts here.
    Not beggin........just sayin........can I come?

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    Solid post Thom.
    I agree with everything you said.
    I figure it'll be $30-40 though and plan on picking it up.

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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    tldr;

    This was supposed to be a cliff compared to the exchange between bmont and I? lol
    Cliffs as opposed to a page or so of back and forths....yes. Cliffs in the same as summarizing what you said....no as I don't really agree with all of it. Just trying to address a few things that plagued the CBL book/thread upfront.
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    Good post on the Cube Method Thom. It's interesting that he goes 3 weeks between a particular effort on a lift. For those of you who have tried it, do you feel you get detrained in all that time off? Because isn't that one of the negatives people say about block periodization? If you are doing a hypertrophy block for 6 weeks then switch over to a strength block for 6 weeks you are going to lose those hypertrophy gains. Not sure if 3 weeks between dynamic effort for say the bench is enough to start losing speed strength though.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    Good post on the Cube Method Thom. It's interesting that he goes 3 weeks between a particular effort on a lift. For those of you who have tried it, do you feel you get detrained in all that time off? Because isn't that one of the negatives people say about block periodization? If you are doing a hypertrophy block for 6 weeks then switch over to a strength block for 6 weeks you are going to lose those hypertrophy gains. Not sure if 3 weeks between dynamic effort for say the bench is enough to start losing speed strength though.
    You seriously believe way too much bullchit, Mohican.

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    Originally Posted by runtocatch View Post
    You seriously believe way too much bullchit, Mohican.
    Hence why I asked on here, so you guys can clear it up, Silly Willy.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    Good post on the Cube Method Thom. It's interesting that he goes 3 weeks between a particular effort on a lift. For those of you who have tried it, do you feel you get detrained in all that time off? Because isn't that one of the negatives people say about block periodization? If you are doing a hypertrophy block for 6 weeks then switch over to a strength block for 6 weeks you are going to lose those hypertrophy gains. Not sure if 3 weeks between dynamic effort for say the bench is enough to start losing speed strength though.
    Not really sure what you mean with the time off. If you mean between lifting for ME on certain movements, then no....not really. You can structure your training to use your RE day to get heavy weight in your hands and your DE day can be used to have heavier accessory work. For instance, my current squat setup is as follows (targeting 500 for a single on next ME day)

    Week 1 - DE Squat - 365 x 2 for 6 sets (yesterday)
    Week 2 - RE Squat - targeting 455 x 3
    Week 3 - ME Squat - Targeting 500

    Now that is going for a rather substantial PR. When targeting a weakness, it may vary a bit....but the point is that you can structure it to keep heavy weight in your hands every week. Hell, if you can handle taking 90% every week....that is fine. One RE deadlift template I have seen from the training groups was 90% for 5-10 singles. I wouldn't want to do that with squat or bench, but it may help with deads quite a bit. For pressing last week, I hit 90% push press for a single then followed up with 75-80% for max reps. It provides a layout, but how you use it is up to you.
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    Not really sure what you mean with the time off. If you mean between lifting for ME on certain movements, then no....not really. You can structure your training to use your RE day to get heavy weight in your hands and your DE day can be used to have heavier accessory work. For instance, my current squat setup is as follows (targeting 500 for a single on next ME day)

    Week 1 - DE Squat - 365 x 2 for 6 sets (yesterday)
    Week 2 - RE Squat - targeting 455 x 3
    Week 3 - ME Squat - Targeting 500

    Now that is going for a rather substantial PR. When targeting a weakness, it may vary a bit....but the point is that you can structure it to keep heavy weight in your hands every week. Hell, if you can handle taking 90% every week....that is fine. One RE deadlift template I have seen from the training groups was 90% for 5-10 singles. I wouldn't want to do that with squat or bench, but it may help with deads quite a bit. For pressing last week, I hit 90% push press for a single then followed up with 75-80% for max reps. It provides a layout, but how you use it is up to you.
    Oh okay, that makes sense.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    Good post on the Cube Method Thom. It's interesting that he goes 3 weeks between a particular effort on a lift. For those of you who have tried it, do you feel you get detrained in all that time off? Because isn't that one of the negatives people say about block periodization? If you are doing a hypertrophy block for 6 weeks then switch over to a strength block for 6 weeks you are going to lose those hypertrophy gains. Not sure if 3 weeks between dynamic effort for say the bench is enough to start losing speed strength though.
    What Thom said.
    I've only been following it for rougly 6 weeks (and like I said it's not exact, it's what I've been able to piece together from what he's sent to other people who paid for programming), but I don't feel that I've gotten deconditioned in any way. Reps have always been a big builder of my strength so I don't feel like I need a ME variation each week. And depending on how you set up your numbers, you're taking heavy weights on your RE days as well. And his DE work isn't the standard 50-60% plus bands. You may be hitting 70-80% for multiple sets, so to me that's still enough. And you still have a secondary movement that you could be hitting fairly heavy on your speed days.

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    Just a heads up, if there's a thread of more than 2 pages about the Cube Method I intend to kill it. Here's what you do:

    Dead Day- W1- ME 2- DE 3- RE
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    Then do another day or two of bodybuilding/weakness stuff. He recommends sets of 10-20 on accessories after the main lift. That is all. If you wonder if it works for you, try it. If you wonder if it's best for you, try it and something else and compare results. In advance, your diet, shoes size, favorite color, etc. does not matter in your life decision of whether to try the Cube method. One thing that will limit its effectiveness would be asking questions on the wide world of web about diet, shoes size, and favorite colors and how it affects the Cube Method's effectiveness. It is based on sound principle. As is every other program of any note.

    Those are cliffs.

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    ^^I squat better when I wear chucks and a red hat with carbs in my system. Just sayin' (srs tho)

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    Originally Posted by dtaps24 View Post
    Just a heads up, if there's a thread of more than 2 pages about the Cube Method I intend to kill it. Here's what you do:

    Dead Day- W1- ME 2- DE 3- RE
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    Then do another day or two of bodybuilding/weakness stuff. He recommends sets of 10-20 on accessories after the main lift. That is all. If you wonder if it works for you, try it. If you wonder if it's best for you, try it and something else and compare results. In advance, your diet, shoes size, favorite color, etc. does not matter in your life decision of whether to try the Cube method. One thing that will limit its effectiveness would be asking questions on the wide world of web about diet, shoes size, and favorite colors and how it affects the Cube Method's effectiveness. It is based on sound principle. As is every other program of any note.

    Those are cliffs.
    Yeah but what if I start a thread asking how you would run the Cube Method AND CBL all at the same time....




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    Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    ^^I squat better when I wear chucks and a red hat with carbs in my system. Just sayin' (srs tho)
    Originally Posted by NC_Tarheel View Post
    Yeah but what if I start a thread asking how you would run the Cube Method AND CBL all at the same time....




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    It really depends on the phase of the moon and your astronomical sign in conjunction with the Chinese calender. That is the determining factor in whether or not you should use the Cube. He probably won't answer it in the book, and only like 5-10 journals will include Cube training, and he doesn't have a training log, so the only possible way to know would be to ask a question on the interweb. God forbid you actually buy the book and then pick **** up and put it down as directed.

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    Originally Posted by dtaps24 View Post
    It really depends on the phase of the moon and your astronomical sign in conjunction with the Chinese calender. That is the determining factor in whether or not you should use the Cube. He probably won't answer it in the book, and only like 5-10 journals will include Cube training, and he doesn't have a training log, so the only possible way to know would be to ask a question on the interweb. God forbid you actually buy the book and then pick **** up and put it down as directed.
    So you're saying fast carbs ONLY after RE and ME LOWER and Oats and wheat bread after DE and RE UPPER...on ME UPPER and DE LOWER you go no carb to "shock the body" into dropping 1% body fat on that day but cut your water intake in half???


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    Originally Posted by NC_Tarheel View Post
    So you're saying fast carbs ONLY after RE and ME LOWER and Oats and wheat bread after DE and RE UPPER...on ME UPPER and DE LOWER you go no carb to "shock the body" into dropping 1% body fat on that day but cut your water intake in half???


    Am I on the right track???


    I really want that elusive one plate curl AND to be "cut"
    Only if it's in the second week of the wave.
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    Originally Posted by NC_Tarheel View Post
    So you're saying fast carbs ONLY after RE and ME LOWER and Oats and wheat bread after DE and RE UPPER...on ME UPPER and DE LOWER you go no carb to "shock the body" into dropping 1% body fat on that day but cut your water intake in half???


    Am I on the right track???


    I really want that elusive one plate curl AND to be "cut"
    i'm also going to rig up some band attachments to my toilet so that i can get some speed work in while dropping a deuce. this should help with my strength accumulation phase.
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    Ok, so here is my attempt to clear up any questions about the Cube Method for those who don't feel like reading through a couple pages of Jason and BMont bickering.
    I swear, I've tried to rep you about a dozen times this week but you're on permaspread. Thanks for the info.

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    my gym's owner trained at westside and he said brandon lilly was the biggest douchebag ever lol he didnt leave westside louie kicked him out
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    Originally Posted by martin_mathers View Post
    my gym's owner trained at westside and he said brandon lilly was the biggest douchebag ever lol he didnt leave westside louie kicked him out
    Always two sides to the story. But I'm sure if you have a guy that is fighting against training in the way everyone else is on the team or even the rest of the gym in this situation it's not going to go well.

    edit: Read his post on outlaw it's pretty good and doesn't hide the fact that he was asked to leave
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    Originally Posted by martin_mathers View Post
    my gym's owner trained at westside and he said brandon lilly was the biggest douchebag ever lol he didnt leave westside louie kicked him out
    from what I've heard, Brandon has made a 180 since he left Columbus. And Lou kicking somebody out is not really a newsworthy thing. He does that sh/t everyday it seems like. It doesn't matter how strong you are, if you don't do what Lou wants you're out.
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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    Always two sides to the story. But I'm sure if you have a guy that is fighting against training in the way everyone else is on the team or even the rest of the gym in this situation it's not going to go well.

    edit: Read his post on outlaw it's pretty good and doesn't hide the fact that he was asked to leave
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    Here's how I view everything that has transpired about all this stuff. I love powerlifting. I love Multi-Ply, Single Ply, Raw, and I like Weightlifting a lot, and Strongman too. Even the Crossfit games impress the hell out of me. I think there are a multitude of problems in powerlifting. I also think there are things that are positive that can be built upon.

    As far as people thinking I'm bashing all multiply guys strength I have referred many times to the guys at Westside, Big Iron, Brian Carroll, Chad Walker, amongst others that I thought would kick ass in a raw meet if they did it. Some people TRY to create problems that aren't there.

    I worshiped Westside Barbell when I found powerlifting, I loved every day that I was there, I can tell you the day I found out I was out was one of the worst in my life. I felt like I let the team down, Louie, and mostly my family. I gave up everything to train there and blew my chance.

    Thankfully Danny Dague, and Chuck Vogelpohl allowed me to train at Lexen and again I loved my time there, respect the hell out of those guys still. I had a chance to take a great job, move closer to my family and find balance in my life that was missing. My shortcomings as a lifter and man in Columbus are no ones fault but my own.

    I have pursued the raw side of lifting as a challenge to myself. I will return to gear and challenge myself there. I also plan to do strongman, highlands games, arm wrestling, and a dream of mine is to do a weightlifting comp. I talk about things such as opening your mind to other ideas, and trying things that may seem foreign.

    Lastly, again, my issues are not with Louie, Westside, or any lifter there, they are at the top of multi ply for a reason. This would most likely hold true in any other realm as well, at the very least they could hold their own. The Cube Method is what it is. If people get stronger on it great, if they don't maybe it wasnt for them, but I believe in it. I have hit my best totals geared and raw since training this way. Its not perfect, I am constantly evolving the method, and hopefully evolving as a person.

    If someone trains Westside Im not gonna tell them my system is better, actually I encouraged two guys today to stick with 531, I am not trying to do anything but get people looking at strength, what strength is, and how to become truly strong, and to look at things without bias. If I had attacked Supertraining would I have recieved hate mail? No. Big Iron? No. But I did from some Westside fans and that is a testament to how much people believe in that method. I have no issue with that, I believed in it for 11 years, and I still can't tell you it doesn't work, all I can tell you is that it didn't pan out with me. WITH ME. All I can control is myself, and my life, and that is what I am trying to do. So thank you for taking an interest in the Cube if you have, thank you for defending your method of choice even if it isn't the Cube, it shows me that people still have some passion for this sport, and that is what it really needs to keep getting better.

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    Originally Posted by getout87 View Post
    from what I've heard, Brandon has made a 180 since he left Columbus. And Lou kicking somebody out is not really a newsworthy thing. He does that sh/t everyday it seems like. It doesn't matter how strong you are, if you don't do what Lou wants you're out.
    Lou sounds like a big meanie head.
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    Originally Posted by darren.dugan View Post
    Lou sounds like a big meanie head.
    Sort of can be since he's the coach and doesn't charge the guys a dime to train with him.
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