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    hey IPF brahs, welcome to being able to actually use a bench shirt now.

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    5. Bar is not lowered to chest i.e. not reaching the chest and abdominal area.
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    yeah saw that a couple weeks ago. The rule was just too arbitrary to judge in my opinion. Good move.
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    Originally Posted by SPFjudge View Post
    yeah saw that a couple weeks ago. The rule was just too arbitrary to judge in my opinion. Good move.
    agreed.
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    Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    Most of his posts are pretty good. He's like the new-age Jim Wendler...

    I don't have a direct link, but I know his blog is only a few months old so there can't be more than 20ish posts.
    He still doesn't really elaborate on it much because:
    1. He's working on an ebook, so giving the info out for free wouldn't be in the best interest
    2. He's selling personalized programming at like $150 a pop. So again, it doesn't go into detail

    I was able to piece together enough to start the program by reading a bunch of logs from people who were paying for the programming.
    here it is

    A Quick Intro to the Cube

    For those of you that don't know how I model my training, this is my second week of my deadlift wave so it is a speed week. My waves are 3 weeks for squat bench and deadlift and they are modeled like this.

    Week 1-Max Effort
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    I call it "Cube Training" as when its mapped out it looks like a cube. I never lift heavy on two lifts in a week. If I dead heavy, my bench is dynamic, and my squat is for reps, and as the weeks rotate the effort is rotated also. In the form of a cube.
    Here's the setup:

    WEEK 1 2 3
    Deads- 1 2 3
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    Sundays are always a bodybuilding day. Just pick a few exercises to focus on weak points, and I always include Military Presses, and leg presses as I like keeping my quads, and shoulders strong.This method has worked extremely well for me, in preventing burnout, and building excitement for my heavy days. Any muscular deficiencies addressed on Sunday.

    This type of training has given me my best two meets of my life, a 2530 geared, and 2105 Raw w/knee wraps. I very very seldom use a box to squat to, and usually only incorporate it on my rep day for high rep sets, and I no longer use bands from the floor on squats, I use straight weight until I do a couple overload sets and use Reverse Bands.
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    Yup.

    My training days are focused on one compound and secondary/accessory work is rather low intensity. This differs a lot from what Lilly does, but is done so that I can train events on a separate day with some effectiveness while still training to improve static strength.
    I'm following it as the guys at Westside have been using a 1 week IN the shirt/2 weeks OUT method. Both AJ and Hoff have benched over 900lbs in a full competition. My goal is to get into the 8's, so I figure they're probably on to something. I've always been a firm believer that the stronger you are out of gear, the more you'll get out of the gear when you put it on. Egg on my face, I haven't done much about getting stronger out of gear until this last year. I really think the combination of the two will help me take it to the next level. Mayyyyyybe even find a deadlift.

    Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    I've been doing it for 3-4 weeks.
    Right now, like Thom, I know it's an ultra-bastardized version, as there isn't enough information to really put together the best programming yet.
    He's supposed to have a book out within the next few weeks, that should shed some light on how to better set it up.

    That being said, I like how it's going so far. It was a welcome change from 5x5.
    I plan on working with him in a few months. He stresses the accessory work is key to avoid burnout and help the main lifts. Wendler and others have said the same thing. I figure his cost will be worth it to learn that if nothing else for my own programming down the road.

    And yes, for me it's a nice change from 5/3/1. Incorporating my gear into 5/3/1 isn't very doable, but with the Cube Method it seems to be similar to how Westside does things.
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    Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    hey IPF brahs, welcome to being able to actually use a bench shirt now.


    http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/file...Version4.0.pdf
    "Page 5
    13. It is forbidden to whip and smash the lifter in front of the audience and media."

    The IPF giveth and the IPF taketh away. We already can't sniff ammonia in front of the audience or camera. I guess they want to be in the Olympics so badly that they are gonna make powerlifting events look like Olympic Weightlifting where there is little/no screaming, yelling, or anything else that might be a sign of "increased testosterone" since we are supposed to be drug free.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    "Page 5
    13. It is forbidden to whip and smash the lifter in front of the audience and media."

    The IPF giveth and the IPF taketh away. We already can't sniff ammonia in front of the audience or camera. I guess they want to be in the Olympics so badly that they are gonna make powerlifting events look like Olympic Weightlifting where there is little/no screaming, yelling, or anything else that might be a sign of "increased testosterone" since we are supposed to be drug free.
    Lettuce be real tea.


    Powerlifting in the Olympics is a million to one shot and ammonia is the least of their worries of what they need to get rid of.

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    Originally Posted by IAmBatman View Post
    Lettuce be real tea.


    Powerlifting in the Olympics is a million to one shot and ammonia is the least of their worries of what they need to get rid of.
    I agree. But I guess their big concern right now is perception, even though the vast majority of people who watch powerlifting meets are powerlifters or family members of powerlifters.
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    Originally Posted by IAmBatman View Post
    Lettuce be real tea.


    Powerlifting in the Olympics is a million to one shot and ammonia is the least of their worries of what they need to get rid of.
    what would need to happen for PL to become an olympic sport?
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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    what would need to happen for PL to become an olympic sport?
    a miracle.
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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    what would need to happen for PL to become an olympic sport?
    Kill off all the elite athletes in all the current Olympic sports?
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    Originally Posted by getout87 View Post
    a miracle.
    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    Kill off all the elite athletes in all the current Olympic sports?
    who's resisting PL's introduction to olympic stadiums?

    which group(s) and/or person(s) are responsible?
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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    who's resisting PL's introduction to olympic stadiums?

    which group(s) and/or person(s) are responsible?
    You should start a thread about Pling in the Olympics in the main subforum.

    I assure you, negs will not ensue.
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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    what would need to happen for PL to become an olympic sport?
    My honest opinion. Start with just Raw Benching. There are million fringe sports that want to be in the olympics but never will be. If you want consideration from the IOC then you better give them reason to believe you can help them make more money. Since most gym goers understand a bench press and people want to be able to compare themselves to stronger people a raw bench press is probably the best place to start. Maybe they can hope to jump onto the billion dollar supplement industry with this... but don't hold your breathe cause even this is about as likely as the Brown's winning the Super Bowl this year.

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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    You should start a thread about Pling in the Olympics in the main subforum.

    I assure you, negs will not ensue.
    yes, this is a great idea.
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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    what would need to happen for PL to become an olympic sport?
    weightlifting would need to not be an olympic sport, and they would need to be adding sports to the games rather than reducing them, oh and it'd have to become popular in America and good for TV.

    since those things will not be happening....no chance.
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    Originally Posted by IAmBatman View Post
    My honest opinion. Start with just Raw Benching. There are million fringe sports that want to be in the olympics but never will be. If you want consideration from the IOC then you better give them reason to believe you can help them make more money. Since most gym goers understand a bench press and people want to be able to compare themselves to stronger people a raw bench press is probably the best place to start. Maybe they can hope to jump onto the billion dollar supplement industry with this... but don't hold your breathe cause even this is about as likely as the Brown's winning the Super Bowl this year.
    While the Olympics is cool and all it is not the pinnacle of every sport. Soccer has their own World Cup and people don't give a fawk about who wins soccer in the Olympics. They don't even send any of the good players. So powerlifting doesn't need the Olympics. They need to find a way to unify feds/rules/divisions and come up with 1 Powerlifting World event. I mean even if they kept raw, raw w/ wraps, single ply, and multi ply they could just have 1 World Championship for each of those events and you would still have a ton of strong a$$ people on one stage competing against each other. And it would still be a unification compared to right now since they would toss out high school, collegiate, junior, sub-junior, master, and all those other divisions that might have national and world championships in various feds.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    While the Olympics is cool and all it is not the pinnacle of every sport.
    It is the pinnacle for amateur sports.
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    Originally Posted by thom2355 View Post
    You should start a thread about Pling in the Olympics in the main subforum.

    I assure you, negs will not ensue.
    Originally Posted by getout87 View Post
    yes, this is a great idea.
    seems like you two personally oppose this proposition. what are your reasons for taking such position?

    Originally Posted by IAmBatman View Post
    My honest opinion. Start with just Raw Benching. There are million fringe sports that want to be in the olympics but never will be. If you want consideration from the IOC then you better give them reason to believe you can help them make more money. Since most gym goers understand a bench press and people want to be able to compare themselves to stronger people a raw bench press is probably the best place to start. Maybe they can hope to jump onto the billion dollar supplement industry with this... but don't hold your breathe cause even this is about as likely as the Brown's winning the Super Bowl this year.
    good thoughs, a rise in popularity would definitely help make it happen. however this would also "corrupt" the sport as its not really a bench only deal

    Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    weightlifting would need to not be an olympic sport, and they would need to be adding sports to the games rather than reducing them, oh and it'd have to become popular in America and good for TV.

    since those things will not be happening....no chance.
    there could be separate categories for weightlifting and powerlifting, along with unique medals for respective placement in total & individual lifts

    are you personally in favor of PL going olympic?
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    Originally Posted by SPFjudge View Post
    It is the pinnacle for amateur sports.
    Well then you better get started on the National Powerlifting League and sign a contract with a major TV station. Maybe we can get John Madden to do commentary.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    While the Olympics is cool and all it is not the pinnacle of every sport. Soccer has their own World Cup and people don't give a fawk about who wins soccer in the Olympics. They don't even send any of the good players. So powerlifting doesn't need the Olympics. They need to find a way to unify feds/rules/divisions and come up with 1 Powerlifting World event. I mean even if they kept raw, raw w/ wraps, single ply, and multi ply they could just have 1 World Championship for each of those events and you would still have a ton of strong a$$ people on one stage competing against each other. And it would still be a unification compared to right now since they would toss out high school, collegiate, junior, sub-junior, master, and all those other divisions that might have national and world championships in various feds.
    i didn't think they could send professional soccer players. isn't that the point?
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    Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    weightlifting would need to not be an olympic sport, and they would need to be adding sports to the games rather than reducing them, oh and it'd have to become popular in America and good for TV.

    since those things will not be happening....no chance.
    Most of the time it's not even good for people in the audience, live.



    If PL were to be on TV, it'd need:

    1) A very small number of competitors
    2) A format like the WPO
    3) Large purses
    4) Some kind of graphic indicator onscreen for the viewers indicating what the weight is equivalent to for the average viewer (e.g., "He's attempting to lift 2 entire refrigerators. He's squatting a 1.5 Harleys. He's benching half your wife!")
    5) Slow-mo replay of accidents, and fairly frequent accidents (also nosebleeds, earbleeds, eye and face blowouts, broken bones, torn muscles/tendons/ligaments, etc.)
    6) lots of commentary with history, past performances, etc. to keep it lively.

    In short, it'd have to be a full-blow production catering to the audience, not the lifters.


    Imagine WWE plus NASCAR. You want to see lots of extreme stuff, lots of blood, lots of failure, character development and background, and a sense of drama and purpose.

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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post

    there could be separate categories for weightlifting and powerlifting, along with unique medals for respective placement in total & individual lifts

    are you personally in favor of PL going olympic?
    no i'm not in favor of PL going olympic.

    you completely missed the point...the reason that weightlifting would have to go away is that the IOC is NOT adding sports to the Olympics. Moreover, they already have a barbell sport...weightlifting. there is no reason to add powerlifting. As I've said multiple times on this subject, they almost got rid of weightlifting as it is...they're not going to add powerlifting.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    While the Olympics is cool and all it is not the pinnacle of every sport. Soccer has their own World Cup and people don't give a fawk about who wins soccer in the Olympics. They don't even send any of the good players. So powerlifting doesn't need the Olympics. They need to find a way to unify feds/rules/divisions and come up with 1 Powerlifting World event. I mean even if they kept raw, raw w/ wraps, single ply, and multi ply they could just have 1 World Championship for each of those events and you would still have a ton of strong a$$ people on one stage competing against each other. And it would still be a unification compared to right now since they would toss out high school, collegiate, junior, sub-junior, master, and all those other divisions that might have national and world championships in various feds.
    It's the pinnacle of every sport that doesn't have a major league that concentrates all the world's talent into a competing organization and pays them.

    Unifying powerlifting can only be done through incentive; money or olympic medals. There is no way feasible to make Powerlifting a professional sport with economic incentives. That has an ever lesser chance of happening than making the olympics.

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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    seems like you two personally oppose this proposition. what are your reasons for taking such position?
    This f*cking topic has been discussed several f*cking times and the result is the same....it will never f*cking happen.
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    Originally Posted by IAmBatman View Post
    It's the pinnacle of every sport that doesn't have a major league that concentrates all the world's talent into a competing organization and pays them.

    Unifying powerlifting can only be done through incentive; money or olympic medals. There is no way feasible to make Powerlifting a professional sport with economic incentives. That has an ever lesser chance of happening than making the olympics.
    From what I've heard, powerlifting has a 0% chance of making the Olympics thus a 0% chance of unification through being in the Olympics. So someone needs to come up with another way of unifying without having to be accepted into a group that is not accepting anyone right now.

    EDIT:

    So, basically, fawk the Olympics. Lets start making super feds like the NCAAF is making super conferences.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    So, basically, fawk the Olympics. Lets start making super feds like the NCAAF is making super conferences.
    i would be more in favor of this. The XPC for example is an attempt...
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    Awesome, lets make a new fed... perfect solution. Never has happened before.
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    So Bill, I'm reading through that newsletter you linked to and they say things like,

    "Emanuel has had a meeting with representatives from the IOC. Progress has been made but we still have further tasks to complete to the satisfaction of the IOC. This work is in progress and I plan to meet Mr Tamas Ajan President of the Weightlifting Federation together with Emanuel in December and hope we can have a productive meeting and obtain an indication what further requirements are needed to progress our IOC application and ultimately our recognition as an Olympic sport."

    "The IOC representatives were very impressed about the complete and well done application the IPF. They pointed out the improvement since the last application 2006 and the great work in Anti Doping and Media (live streaming, magazine) matters."

    "The conclusion of the meeting was that the IPF has to finalize some additional paperwork but the IPF is on the right way and all participants of the meeting agreed that the IPF is ready for this big step - the IOC recognition."

    Do you think that is just the IPF being overly hopeful and trying to make it sound like its going to happen?
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