The P-ratio, leptin and IF / calorie partitioning.

[EddyCutting]

Hi guys,

I was reading some topics on RippedBody.jp and leangains.com. I've read that the main difference between the IF/Leangain approach and a linear deficit has to do with macro/kcal cycling.

When a person eat more fat on a rest day and eat more carbs on a trainingsday (post-workout) it has a better effect on body composition.

I find this very confusing. Could somebody please explain me this effect and the importance of the concept?

Thanks,

Eduard

[juliacheh]

Mental masturbation.

18 years old - you should be lifting and eating.

[EddyCutting]

Mental masturbation.

18 years old - you should be lifting and eating.

I am lifting and eating . Thanks for the well defined answer/advice .

[SideSteal]

Could somebody please explain me this effect and the importance of the concept?


Eduard

I'm not aware of any physiological benefit that this would have on body composition when compared to a steady intake method given both methods have appropriate calorie and macro intake.

[EddyCutting]

I'm not aware of any physiological benefit that this would have on body composition when compared to a steady intake method given both methods have appropriate calorie and macro intake.

For what I know, the leangains method, also known als intermittent fasting isn't just about the fasting period. It's also about macro/kcal partitioning and a different carb/fat intake on rest/training days. I would like to know how that exactly works and what the impact of doing it vs not doing it on body composition is.

Thanks

[SuffolkPunch]

Hi guys,

I was reading some topics on RippedBody.jp and leangains.com. I've read that the main difference between the IF/Leangain approach and a linear deficit has to do with macro/kcal cycling.

When a person eat more fat on a rest day and eat more carbs on a trainingsday (post-workout) it has a better effect on body composition.

I find this very confusing. Could somebody please explain me this effect and the importance of the concept?

Thanks,

Eduard

There is no proven benefit of macro cycling - with IF or otherwise. I am not convinced that Martin intended it as a macro cycling program. He just removes carbs on days when TEE is lower - because protein and fats need to be kept.

P-ratio and partitioning is mostly controlled by genetics.

Leptin/set point is also mostly down to genetics. The most significant factor here is you tend to get more hungry as you get leaner... You might be able to move your set point if you stay lean for a long period of time but this is not proven.

The most you can say is that it's better to bulk when under about 15% BF

[juliacheh]

I am lifting and eating . Thanks for the well defined answer/advice .

I gave you a right answer. The claims beind the macro partioning are not supported by anything.

[-TheKingPin-]

I am also curious as to why this is recommended.

I want Martin Berkhan to release his book already so he can explain in depth his reasoning, hopefully backed up by well structured studies.

[lee__d]

I am also curious as to why this is recommended.

I want Martin Berkhan to release his book already so he can explain in depth his reasoning, hopefully backed up by well structured studies.

Martin isn't releasing a book.

[SuffolkPunch]

I am also curious as to why this is recommended.

I want Martin Berkhan to release his book already so he can explain in depth his reasoning, hopefully backed up by well structured studies.

Nah, he won't. He has gone full on Colonel Kurtz... doesn't even post on Twitter anymore.

There are no secrets...

[WonderPug]

I think the problem is that some folks try to micromanage things that, at best, will have almost no noticeable impact on endpoints while those same folks often pay relatively little attention to the factors that have a huge impact on endpoints.

[tden99]

There is no proven benefit of macro cycling - with IF or otherwise. I am not convinced that Martin intended it as a macro cycling program. He just removes carbs on days when TEE is lower - because protein and fats need to be kept.

P-ratio and partitioning is mostly controlled by genetics.

Leptin/set point is also mostly down to genetics. The most significant factor here is you tend to get more hungry as you get leaner... You might be able to move your set point if you stay lean for a long period of time but this is not proven.

The most you can say is that it's better to bulk when under about 15% BF

^this

The ideas he has are not proven and are mostly done by personal experience.

One of the ideas of cycling is to reduce the effect of metabolic slowdown as you are cutting by basically having days in a surplus or deficit. The other is the hope of better nutrient partitioning. That being said I just do it for the increase in satiety.

[EddyCutting]

I think the problem is that some folks try to micromanage things that, at best, will have almost no noticeable impact on endpoints while those same folks often pay relatively little attention to the factors that have a huge impact on endpoints.

This is true. I absolutely agree on this. But since I am interested in this kind of information it's not that I want to know this because I think it will matter a lot, i'm just curious.

[juliacheh]

Leangains = the revolutionary concept of skipping breakfast, nobody has ever done it before.

[EddyCutting]

Leangains = the revolutionary concept of skipping breakfast, nobody has ever done it before.

I think that it's more a concept populair due to the myths that are bunked. I.e. meal frequency,timing etc.

[WonderPug]

I think that it's more a concept populair due to the myths that are bunked. I.e. meal frequency,timing etc.

The problem is that it's generating it's own set of perhaps equally silly myths and neurotic behaviors.

[lee__d]

I think that it's more a concept populair due to the myths that are bunked. I.e. meal frequency,timing etc.

The problem that's currently plaguing lean gains ( and i would guess is driving Martin bonkers) is that many of it's followers/proponents have adopted it as THE optimal way to approach diet.

Martin wanted to prove it was possible to achieve gains with an atypical eating pattern (and some very preliminary research as shown some benefits).

The leangains community, as a whole, has done [with their approach] exactly what Martin attempted to undo.

[Ajaro]

The problem is that it's generating it's own set of perhaps equally silly myths and neurotic behaviors.

I met a coworker who just joined the company and got into leangains half a year ago. So while on the "surface" hes not afraid of alchohol or sweets here or there...

he still brings roast beef/chicken in a tupperware to work for lunch, to our cafeteria, which has free food and a decent selection of dishes. Theres just something ironic there.

I'll be the first to admit I was neurotic when I moved from "common-knowledge broscience" to "leangains obsessing," making sure to bring boiled eggs if I had to out to late dinners, so I would stay in my "window" but still get a "slow digesting protein" in. Funny stuff. But I guess it got me to where I am now, which is past all of that, so, whatever.

[SuffolkPunch]

Turning down free food?? That's REALLY not normal

[Ghosting]

Nah, he won't. He has gone full on Colonel Kurtz... doesn't even post on Twitter anymore.

LMAO!!

Also, I'm "guessing", that he gets a lot of money now that he has a "donation" link. Ever since he got that, he doesn't do much anymore.

[Ghosting]

The problem is that it's generating it's own set of perhaps equally silly myths and neurotic behaviors.

This. OP I got into carb cycling for a bit. Sworn up and down that it worked. To keep you from getting bored from reading all I do NOT want to type, it was no faster than a calorie deficit.