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    Slow Cardio ; Mike Chang & Eric Kanevskiy

    Sup guys, I bet some of you already saw this, and I hope many of you have the correct information, but since this is on youtube for a ton of viewers,
    I wanted to hear what you guys think about this, and mostly let's hear some solid FACTS.

    Mike Chang (sixpackshortcuts guy):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eIgweqKC8g&feature=plcp

    Eric Kanevskiy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0iiWRQmRF8&feature=plcp

    Now, while I know that Mike gives aloooot of misleading information and his ads are beyond rediculous,
    Is he in ANY way correct?
    What about the information concerning sugars-muscle-fat -burning and the difference between empty stomach&non-empty stomach.
    And exactly how many calories would a 20 minute walk burn?


    Let's see some solid posts, with valid scientific points in it that can help new guys.

    Cheers guys.
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    Eric is right.
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    it doesn't matter if its low intensity or HiiT cardio, either works; the only possible conflict with doing cardio is that it can interfere SLIGHTLY with your body's recovery from your workouts/past workouts; cardio is extremely important and should be done by almost every1
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    didnt not watch eric's vid...
    think i have watched that sixpack vid...

    my take on it... mike is going to sound as profesional as he can because he wants more viewers, more subscribers and more people to buy his stuff... but he is also a certified trainer who has gotten many people results, + has a good physique. and some of his stuff are good but he also says some stuff which just go against some of his other vids.. so i dont watch him too much.

    on the other hand.. this eric guy says he has only started lifting for about 7 months? and tries to say he knows everything about the human body.., i dont agree with anything he says because the way he explains his theories make absolutely no sence.. especially his take on hypertrophy etc... and he sounds like an ignorant guy because he can not even admit it when he is wrong...

    low intensity cardio focuses more on just burning fat, while higher intensity cardio burns both fat and muscle... HIIT is like the middle of that, HIIT targets the most fat lost...

    and honestly, you can bulk/build/cut without cardio... it all comes down to diet in the end... but you can do what ever cardio it is that you prefer op. just figure out what works for you.. you dont need to watch youtube vids for that!


    EDIT : yes i have watched mikes video.. and i do beleave that is correct, since when your at a fasted state you burn more fat... and low intensity will target fat burn at a fasted state
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    Originally Posted by BaconGod69 View Post
    on the other hand.. this eric guy says he has only started lifting for about 7 months? and tries to say he knows everything about the human body.., i dont agree with anything he says because the way he explains his theories make absolutely no sence.. especially his take on hypertrophy etc... and he sounds like an ignorant guy because he can not even admit it when he is wrong...

    low intensity cardio focuses more on just burning fat, while higher intensity cardio burns both fat and muscle... HIIT is like the middle of that, HIIT targets the most fat lost...
    although i really don'y like erikkanevskiy at all, although he is really small, and although he is a cocky know-it-all, what he says in his videos are correct and scientifically proven, as compared to mike's videos that have some truth, but a lot of broscience; WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET YOUR INFO THAT HIIT CARDIO BURNS MUSCLE? quit trying to spread broscience and making other dumb people believe that; the type of cardio and the duration of cardio have no effect on muscle loss. your an idiot
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    Originally Posted by southparkbbb View Post
    although i really don'y like erikkanevskiy at all, although he is really small, and although he is a cocky know-it-all, what he says in his videos are correct and scientifically proven, as compared to mike's videos that have some truth, but a lot of broscience; WHERE IN THE HELL DID YOU GET YOUR INFO THAT HIIT CARDIO BURNS MUSCLE? quit trying to spread broscience and making other dumb people believe that; the type of cardio and the duration of cardio have no effect on muscle loss. your an idiot
    sorry but where did i say HIIT BURNS MUSCLE LOL?, i said HIIT BURNS FAT!!! haha... i only said HIGH intensity cardio.. like running for long periods of time will burn muscle + fat... since that is also proven...
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    Originally Posted by BaconGod69 View Post
    sorry but where did i say HIIT BURNS MUSCLE LOL?, i said HIIT BURNS FAT!!! haha... i only said HIGH intensity cardio.. like running for long periods of time will burn muscle + fat... since that is also proven...
    i quoted you where you said it; and no, running for a long time will not burn muscle+fat; your dumb
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    Originally Posted by BaconGod69 View Post
    sorry but where did i say HIIT BURNS MUSCLE LOL?, i said HIIT BURNS FAT!!! haha... i only said HIGH intensity cardio.. like running for long periods of time will burn muscle + fat... since that is also proven...
    Running for a long period of time isn't high intensity cardio though. HIIT is more likely to burn muscle since it increases cortisol production.
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    Originally Posted by southparkbbb View Post
    i quoted you where you said it; and no, running for a long time will not burn muscle+fat; your dumb
    marathon runners?
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    Originally Posted by southparkbbb View Post
    i quoted you where you said it; and no, running for a long time will not burn muscle+fat; your dumb
    if im wrong about high intensity cardio.. OK i can understand but, i did not say HIIT BURNS MUSCLE so stop saying that.. L2READ
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    Originally Posted by chaodream View Post
    marathon runners?
    thats what im thinkin lol...
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    Running for a long period of time isn't high intensity cardio though. HIIT is more likely to burn muscle since it increases cortisol production.
    Low calories/over-training burns muscle
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    Originally Posted by BaconGod69 View Post
    thats what im thinkin lol...
    Intensity if percentage of maximal effort. If you run a marathon you never go anywhere close to maximal effort..
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    Originally Posted by AdaptandChange View Post
    Low calories/over-training burns muscle
    ok.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    Running for a long period of time isn't high intensity cardio though. HIIT is more likely to burn muscle since it increases cortisol production.
    what is the length of time needed though for this to occur? isn't is something ridiculous? to convert THAT MUCH protein into glycogen to the point where you actually start losing muscle..
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    Originally Posted by southparkbbb View Post
    what is the length of time needed though for this to occur? isn't is something ridiculous? to convert THAT MUCH protein into glycogen to the point where you actually start losing muscle..
    Cortisol is actually produced pretty rapidly. The body also produces HGH in response though, which cross chatters with the glucocorticoid receptor to prevent muscle loss. Hence why you don't really lose muscle doing HIIT, it's just more likely than if you were doing LISS.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    Running for a long period of time isn't high intensity cardio though. HIIT is more likely to burn muscle since it increases cortisol production.
    im sure most people consider long duration running as "high intensity cardio" though.. if not then what is "high intensity cardio"?
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    Originally Posted by BaconGod69 View Post
    im sure most people consider long duration running as "high intensity cardio" though.. if not then what is "high intensity cardio"?
    HIIT.

    Hence the HIGH INTENSITY in high intensity interval training.
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    Originally Posted by BaconGod69 View Post
    im sure most people consider long duration running as "high intensity cardio" though.. if not then what is "high intensity cardio"?
    a good example of HIIT would be jump roping, sprints, etc.
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    Cortisol is actually produced pretty rapidly. The body also produces HGH in response though, which cross chatters with the glucocorticoid receptor to prevent muscle loss. Hence why you don't really lose muscle doing HIIT, it's just more likely than if you were doing LISS.
    Acta Physiol Hung. 2008 Jun;95(2):219-27.Links

    Characterization of the cortisol response to incremental exercise in physically active young men.

    Viru M, Hackney AC, Janson T, Karelson K, Viru A.



    Institute of Sport Pedagogy and Coaching Science, University of Tartu, Estonia.



    This study examined the cortisol response to incremental exercise; specifically to see if there was an increase in blood cortisol levels at low intensity exercise (i.e., < 60% VO2 intensity threshold) and determine whether a linear relationship existed between the blood cortisol responses and exercise of increasing workloads (i.e., intensity). Healthy, physically active young men (n = 11) completed exercise tests involving progressive workload stages (3 min) to determine peak oxygen uptake responses (VO2). Blood specimens were collected at rest and at the end of each stage and analyzed for cortisol. Results showed cortisol was significantly increased from resting levels at the end of the first exercise stage (80 W; 41.9 +/- 5.4% peak VO2) and remained significantly elevated from rest until the exercise ended. Interestingly, however, the cortisol concentrations observed at 80 W through 200 W did not significantly differ from one another. Thereafter, during the final two stages of exercise the cortisol concentrations increased further (p < 0.01). The subjects exceeded their individual lactate thresholds over these last two stages of exercise. Regression modeling to characterize the cortisol response resulted in significant regression coefficients (r = 0.415 [linear] and r = 0.655 [3rd order polynominal], respectively; p < 0.05). Comparative testing (Hotelling test) between the two regression coefficents revealed the polynominal model (sigmoidal curve) was the significantly stronger of the two (p = 0.05). In conclusion, the present findings refute the concept that low intensity exercise will not provoke a significant change in blood cortisol levels and suggest the response to incremental exercise involving increasing exercise workloads (i.e., intensities) are not entirely linear in nature. Specifically, a sigmoid curve more highly accurately characterizes the cortisol response to such exercise.



    im not saying your wrong, because you obviously know a **** ton more than me, but is the difference in cortisol production between the two that significant? some studies like this one show little/no difference in elevated levels based on intensity



    edit: and if you carb loaded 1-2 hours pre workout, could this cancel the effect of your body transforming cortisol into glycogen by using carbs as your primary source of energy? the body will probably still convert some cortisol, but not merely enough for muscle loss unless you plan on doing an insane amoutn of cardio?
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    Originally Posted by spiderman997 View Post
    HIIT.

    Hence the HIGH INTENSITY in high intensity interval training.
    I looked at HIIT and HIgh intensity cardio as 2 differents.. my perspective on high intensity was long duration running, like what marathon runners do... and high intensity interval training as something else since its not duration running, not saying your wrong eaither but just from what i see on the forums and internet thats what most people consider high intensity as...
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    Originally Posted by southparkbbb View Post
    a good example of HIIT would be jump roping, sprints, etc.
    yes, i love jumping ropes and sprinting
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    Originally Posted by JakeJohsson View Post
    -What about the information concerning sugars-muscle-fat -burning and the difference between empty stomach&non-empty stomach.
    -And exactly how many calories would a 20 minute walk burn?
    -When does cardio start burning muscles?
    Can anyone answer these please?
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    Originally Posted by BaconGod69 View Post
    I looked at HIIT and HIgh intensity cardio as 2 differents.. my perspective on high intensity was long duration running, like what marathon runners do... and high intensity interval training as something else since its not duration running, not saying your wrong eaither but just from what i see on the forums and internet thats what most people consider high intensity as...
    Your "perspective" doesn't matter; One is high intensity (HIIT), one is not.
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